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Kayo Recce
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.31 19:53:00 -
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Hi, I am thinking of training up for the Black Ops BS. I was just wondering from those of you that fly them if they are worth that amount of training time? There are quite a few skills that need to be at 5. So it will take a long time for me. Sounds like a fun ship for harassing though
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 19:56:00 -
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train for rapier/arazu if you want to harass. Much easier to move around and way better chances of surviving actually.
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Guillame Herschel
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.31 20:14:00 -
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It's a gang ship, 100%, and fairly useless as a solo harassment vessel. If you are not planning to train and use the Covert Jump Bridge, don't bother.
The Widow has some usefulness apart from fitting a CJB, since 5 bonused Cruise launchers and bonused ECM is nothing to sneeze at when you can uncloak and start locking right away. But the Scorpion is still better at jamming.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:28:00 -
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lack of a third rig and poor fittings in general coupled with stillborn jump range and impractical bridge mechanics means you have a 700m ship with no tank or real purpose, no thanks, buy a few hundred interceptors or a handful of faction fit recons or battleships instead ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Ulstan
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:34:00 -
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You will almost never have fun in a black ops battleship.
If you could actually jump a decent gang a decent distance through your jumpbridge, you could enable some other people to have fun harassing, but as it is, the black ops jump bridge capability is pretty meh.
I'd give it a pass unless you have almost nothing else to train for.
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Lithalnas
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:38:00 -
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lock time kinda sucks to be a cloaked undock sniper. ------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. fixed for greater eve content |
Shi Mun
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Posted - 2008.04.01 01:03:00 -
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Black Ops atm arent rly any better than their t1 counterparts with a couple of special abilities, and tbh arent really worth flying atm. The fact that they cant use the cov ops cloaks just screws them right over. That and the bonus' on the ships werent exactly thought out very well (*cough* agility bonus on the sin?). --------------------------- The Cake is a lie... The Cake is a lie... The Cake is a lie... |
Wardeneo
BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.01 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 01/04/2008 01:43:43
Originally by: Deva Blackfire train for rapier/arazu if you want to harass. Much easier to move around and way better chances of surviving actually.
id go rapier, its naturaly faster and easier 2 move around in thana n arazu - and most ppl only fit AB's/MWD (non nano setups --> theres allways a few ppl that nano it :) )so if u hit a gate camp u can either mwd 2 gate adn jump or cloak and warp
rapier 4tw :)
Originally by: Guillame Herschel It's a gang ship, 100%, and fairly useless as a solo harassment vessel. If you are not planning to train and use the Covert Jump Bridge, don't bother.
The Widow has some usefulness apart from fitting a CJB, since 5 bonused Cruise launchers and bonused ECM is nothing to sneeze at when you can uncloak and start locking right away. But the Scorpion is still better at jamming.
scorpion cant cloak and when it uncloaks, it can target straight away, you have 2 decide whas better this (and the use of the Covert jump drive or go buy a scorp and get most of ur isk bk (insurance) adn not spend liek a bil (dont know real prices, this sounds reasonable for a "newly" introduced t2 bs) on a black ops
choice is urs
wardeneo
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SERGI MANESTI
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Posted - 2008.04.01 05:36:00 -
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hmm for the most part i'd say they are bad right now, but ccp plans on making them better... however... i do have to present one exemption. someone, anyone look up SATAN on the killboards... he has over 150 kills with the widow already and hasn't lost it... also... play around with it in eft, the widow is craziness compared to any of the other black ops ships. in fact they all pretty much stink i'd say, but the minmatar one will make a great nano...
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Naomi Knight
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Posted - 2008.04.01 08:41:00 -
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I would say they are too expensive for t2 sub capital ship.
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Liam Fremen
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Posted - 2008.04.01 09:05:00 -
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Naa do not train it m8, completely unuseful, realy! too expensive, no good tank, no firepower bla bla bla, whatever etc
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Deva Blackfire
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Posted - 2008.04.01 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: SERGI MANESTI hmm for the most part i'd say they are bad right now, but ccp plans on making them better... however... i do have to present one exemption. someone, anyone look up SATAN on the killboards... he has over 150 kills with the widow already and hasn't lost it... also... play around with it in eft, the widow is craziness compared to any of the other black ops ships. in fact they all pretty much stink i'd say, but the minmatar one will make a great nano...
Thats only because widow fits to BE playstyle. 2-5 BS ganking disabled ship - this even worked when they flown ravens. Now it just gives em more ECM power so they can take on larger gangs. Still i dunno if there are that many people willing to spend 12+ hours in one system at one gate waiting for some brainless tard to jump straight into the known camp.
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Waxau
The Fated Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 11:47:00 -
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Black ops are NOT gang ships in any real form. A gang of Black ops? Yes. A black ops or two in a cloaker gang? Yes. Black ops in a normal gang? HELL NO!
And my widow solos fine thankyou. Can permajam most BS, and for when i cant, i have a 500dps tank.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.01 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 01/04/2008 11:59:27
Originally by: Shi Mun Edited by: Shi Mun on 01/04/2008 01:13:18 Edited by: Shi Mun on 01/04/2008 01:12:00 Black Ops atm arent rly any better than their t1 counterparts with a couple of special abilities, and tbh arent really worth flying atm. The fact that they cant use the cov ops cloaks just screws them right over. That and the bonus' on the ships werent exactly thought out very well (*cough* agility bonus on the sin?).
Actually the Sin would make a fairly good Serpentis/Guristas ratter, in no small part due to that agility bonus which helps allow it to hop belts like a cruiser while dealing almost the same damage as a Domi. Of course, you need to be fairly rich or fairly insane to rat in a 600+ mil setup...
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Julio Torres
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Posted - 2008.04.01 12:13:00 -
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Blacks ops waste of money, and waste of training time. Their usefullness is so limited they are borderlining being useless.
The Widow is a good ship. But as with all other Black Op's the Scan Resolution is pathetic, and then you fit a cloak and gets twice as pathetic
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kessah
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.04.01 12:18:00 -
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Im quite interested in them personally for a variety of reasons.
Quite strange why CCP based these ships on there t1 counter parts rather than there Recons. Dont understand why they gave the Sin and Panther such useless bonuses... unless they want to see a phoon class hull going silly speeds... again.
Quite interested in the Redeemer though, even though 7.5% optimal range instead of tracking would be more useful to a 600m isk ship.
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Zakgram
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Posted - 2008.04.01 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Julio Torres The Widow is a good ship. But as with all other Black Op's the Scan Resolution is pathetic, and then you fit a cloak and gets twice as pathetic
It's hard enough in a manticore when you de-cloak and still take 5 seconds to lock. The only way I can see the widow being used is to crawl slowly up to the target, bump em so they can't warp away instantly, pray they don't mwd off before you manage to get a lock... sensor boost, lock, web, scramble, ecm, die to lack of tank.
Bah.
Can't wait to finish black-ops 5 so I can see if mine lasts more than a single engagement.
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Julius Romanus
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zakgram
It's hard enough in a manticore when you de-cloak and still take 5 seconds to lock.
The sense of fail is strong with this one
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AKULA UrQuan
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:39:00 -
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Forgot to read the directions it seems.
The whole thing with cloak lowering scan res on a ship ment to use a cloak was to total frackup on CCP's part.
Far as training Blackops, go for it for two reasons. First is the ship was released pre-nerfed and it'll get buffed. Second by training for one you knockout alot of skills needed for flying dreads/carriers. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
6Bagheera9
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Forgot to read the directions it seems. The whole thing with cloak lowering scan res on a ship ment to use a cloak was to total frackup on CCP's part.
QFT! Someone needs to be smacked upside the head.
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Aram Gishno
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Aram Gishno on 01/04/2008 16:47:51
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: SERGI MANESTI i do have to present one exemption. someone, anyone look up SATAN on the killboards... he has over 150 kills with the widow already and hasn't lost it
Thats only because widow fits to BE playstyle. 2-5 BS ganking disabled ship - this even worked when they flown ravens. Now it just gives em more ECM power so they can take on larger gangs. Still i dunno if there are that many people willing to spend 12+ hours in one system at one gate waiting for some brainless tard to jump straight into the known camp.
No, Satan lost the Widow.
The ship is good on sniping and jamming to some extent. However, I agree with others here that unless you already have the skills in place and have isk to drop its not worth getting right now. Hopefully, CCP will implement a separate bay for the fuel and make some additional modifications for bonuses. Time will tell.
Edit: Actually, just read Akula's post and it made sense. I guess if you're looking to buy and stock it somewhere perhaps now is the time to buy a black-ops as long as CCP will buff it. Kind of like buying low to reap the benefits later. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
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