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Callic Veratar
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:42:00 -
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There are no Gold Magnates, they have no value. Something that doesn't exist can't have a price.
That being said, this is definitely a bad idea. If the idea is releasing cool, limited edition ships via third party sites, contact several sites and give them each their own ship, let them pick the hull and have a say in the skin and have MULTIPLE sites, not just one. When one is destroyed, you can give them another to sell, if the goal is indeed to funnel isk into a few people's pockets.
If someone really feels we need to have these old collector's ships available again, the only "fair" lottery option is a public auction contract in Jita 4-4. If you're going to go with a real option, it needs to be suitably noteworthy, like another Amarr Championship, where a new set of Gold and Silver Magnates can be released. (Followed by Championships for the other 3 factions with their own Gold and Silver ships). |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
642
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:47:00 -
[1952] - Quote
They don't technically have value but if the Gold Magnate hadn't been lost, it would likely be the most expensive ship in EVE.
That's why it should stay dead, because otherwise it devalues what losing the Gold Magnate meant. |
Matari Akiga
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:53:00 -
[1953] - Quote
Let me start by saying I do like blink and I do like CCP, however I think someone has really dropped the ball on this.
Something bad that was done with good intentions is still bad and releasing more of the gold magnates is a great example of this the one and only was destroyed long before I started playing but I know about it because it is part of the legend of EVE because it was destroyed and now they are all gone, it should stay like that, please rethink this seriously.
CCP dont need to change everything to suit your play style.
Improvise, adapt and overcome! |
Phoenus
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
108
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:53:00 -
[1954] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto  Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc.
No ingame ships for events, but giving away ships for lotteries to earn ISK for a third party to CCP is apparently fine |
Captain StringfellowHawk
Lo-Ball Incorporated
Backwater Aristocrats
21
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:55:00 -
[1955] - Quote
So many Tears... This is better then any CFC Interdiction or Miner Bumping or hi-sec Ganking. I find it GREAT that CCP Single handedly Griefed the small amount of Forum Warriors without even having to fire a single shot. All These Pages and Still no where near the player population complaining. Just the typical forum Warriors or Warriors on there Alts. Not as much Drama as TMC led there to be. Semi-Depressed. Was hoping to see more True Bitter Vet Tears. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
932
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Posted - 2013.09.26 16:56:00 -
[1956] - Quote
The whole concept of Blink is stupid and like all casinos, the only true winner is the house. The next time a corpie says "promo" in corp chat im going to awox him.
This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Iamien
Krypteia Operations
Self Sabatoge
271
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:11:00 -
[1957] - Quote
I am unsubscribing both of my acounts right after I make this post.
Between this, the TOS change, and the general trend of how things have been progressing, the writing is on the wall and EVE is not committed to being a sandbox any longer. If I'm going to be playing a non-sandbox game, I am going to play a good one by playing GW2. No amount of monument shooting will fix this one.
Farewell. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
328
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:14:00 -
[1958] - Quote
Honestly a bit perplexed as to what all the fuss is about. Would be different if it happened every day. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
642
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:19:00 -
[1959] - Quote
Captain StringfellowHawk wrote:So many Tears... This is better then any CFC Interdiction or Miner Bumping or hi-sec Ganking. I find it GREAT that CCP Single handedly Griefed the small amount of Forum Warriors without even having to fire a single shot. All These Pages and Still no where near the player population complaining. Just the typical forum Warriors or Warriors on there Alts. Not as much Drama as TMC led there to be. Semi-Depressed. Was hoping to see more True Bitter Vet Tears.
There's always an idiot like you.
Look at all the keywords.
Tears
Grief.
Forum Warriors
Bitter Vet
Drama.
You're pathetic buddy.
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Troy Tyrion Lanister
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:22:00 -
[1960] - Quote
I do use it, would be nice if there was some sort of community. The channel is dead 99.9% of time unfortunately. But the website itself is nice. =) |
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T'kimat
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:25:00 -
[1961] - Quote
Iamien wrote:I am unsubscribing both of my accounts right after I make this post.
Farewell.
Can I have your stuff? |
Infrequent
GeoCorp.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:36:00 -
[1962] - Quote
I'm all for special events, hell i'm not that bothered about some of the assets being added (apart from the Gold Magnete, let it stay dead). But I believe the way CCP are favoring an organization like this and essentially giving them the keys, is a very bad idea. At the very least run the event yourself, or just stop this all together, you're making yourself look bad and putting a bad taste in the mouth of the community. it is clear from some reactions within this thread that the community may very well stand against it as a majority. Ofcourse there will be the vocal minority (which could work both ways), but think about it, this is not right. |
Iamien
Krypteia Operations
Self Sabatoge
271
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:40:00 -
[1963] - Quote
T'kimat wrote:Iamien wrote:I am unsubscribing both of my accounts right after I make this post.
Farewell. Can I have your stuff?
That would require reinstalling the client. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
530
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:41:00 -
[1964] - Quote
It needs to be clear which ships will be handed out in the future and which are locked.
I don't think any collectors would have ever imagined more G-Vs hitting the market after so many years. I am glad CCP acknowledged that G-Vs are top tier collectors items, but I still think that handing them out via Somer of all places cheapens the ship.
I understand why the golden magnate would be re-released, but it's too bad about the guardian vexors... Yes, I own some, but it's mostly the history that I care about, all of the hands that each has been passed through, etc. One of mine has even seen combat  |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
31
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:46:00 -
[1965] - Quote
mechtech wrote:It needs to be clear which ships will be handed out in the future and which are locked.
It's not like CCP has a history of going by everything they say is set in stone and will never happen so we are kind of past that. We need to get CCP to stop backpedaling with all their statements without talking about it to anyone first.
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Igor Nappi
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:52:00 -
[1966] - Quote
It's hardly a question of what is handed out, it's a question of the principle that a group of players is being blatantly favoured and handed free stuff. If CCP gave out ordinary Vexors and Magnates it would still be an issue. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:54:00 -
[1967] - Quote
Un f-ing believeable. The only way I could support this would be if it was a random drawing done by CCP, and even then it really shouldn't be done. To give these items to a 3rd party to distribute is an absurd idea given things that have happened in the past that resulted in monuments being shot. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
297
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:56:00 -
[1968] - Quote
CCP was quite clear that there wouldn't be any more Gold Magnates, Silver Magnates, impocs, imparmas, state ravens, tribal tempests, and the rest of the newer tourney frigs and cruisers (adrestia, etana, utu etc)
Ships I'm not sure whether they said there wouldn't be more of; Guardian Vexor, Federate Issue Megathron, Opux Luxury Yacht..
(releasing more does kinda suck for the collectors who already have one or more, and releasing more via a lottery is moronic)
Ships I know for a fact they've never promised to limit the number of, quite the opposite; Ishukone Scorpion, Gnosis, Quafe haulers.. |
Dex Slim
Phrike Squadron
3
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Posted - 2013.09.26 17:58:00 -
[1969] - Quote
I donGÇÖt care if you want to re-release old ships, but you have opened Pandoras box by giving them to a player corporation. It reeks of favoritism.
CCP Navigator wrote: SOMER Blink have a history of being trustworthy and honoring every blink played without exception. With that level of trust we were looking at ways of expanding on that good will and allowing players to play for some very unique prizes in that trusted environment.
What good will are we talking about? SOMER Blink is not a non-profit organization, SOMER is like any other business - it is profit driven. Everything the corporation does is towards profit maximization.
CCP Navigator wrote: We thought hard about how we could reintroduce the model back in, still in a super limited basis, and a lottery seemed the fairest way to do this. With SOMER Blink anyone who plays a single blink (even a free promo blink) will gain a ticket to the main Blink Blast so you have a chance to win. Clearly, the more you play the more chances you have to win the blast.
Fairest for whom I might ask? Why is SOMER different from any other corporations out there? Is it fair towards other corporations providing similar 3rd party services that SOMER is now raking in billions, maybe trillions, of ISK? Is it fair towards the average EVE player? CCP introduces hyper rare ships and the only way to have a chance to get them is to pay for a 3rd party service driven by a player corporation. These new GÇ£special prizesGÇ¥ at SOMER will then lure thousands of new players to become customers. The gamblers will then have to pay for ordinary blinks just to get one ticket for the big prizes, which in turn will result in an insane demand for blinks. CCP is not only directly giving invaluable ships to SOMER, but is also indirectly pouring billions of ISK over them. I want hyper-rare ships and a couple of trillions for free as well, what can I do to collect?
CCP Navigator wrote: SOMER Blink have been one of the most philanthropic groups in EVE.
I am pretty sure you are confusing philanthropy with marketing. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics
K162
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:01:00 -
[1970] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:SOMER Blink have a history of being trustworthy and honoring every blink played without exception. With that level of trust we were looking at ways of expanding on that good will and allowing players to play for some very unique prizes in that trusted environment. More importantly, we are looking at ways in which we can grow bigger giveaways with more player participation with other Fansites in the future.
It has nothing to do with trust and everything to do with playing favorites and awarding Somer blink with massive material gains through exclusive access to new content. Why do they get to profit MASSIVELY from this and I don't? Or any other player...?
CCP Navigator wrote: it actually removes content from the game and that is not always a good thing. It was not removed. It was exploded. You want to rewrite history. Quit it, plz. |
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Ariel Avery
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:02:00 -
[1971] - Quote
t20 much |
Mycool Jahksn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:04:00 -
[1972] - Quote
This is great. All the people who think unique ships that got destroyed a decade ago should stay destroyed are just dumb.
It's crazy that it took this long for two more to appear.
My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
Steijn
Quay Industries
CAStabouts
362
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:08:00 -
[1973] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:This is great. All the people who think unique ships that got destroyed a decade ago should stay destroyed are just dumb.
It's crazy that it took this long for two more to appear.
forget the point about what they are releasing, do you agree with how they are releasing it? |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
181
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:09:00 -
[1974] - Quote
One of the worst ideas CCP has ever had. CCP not understanding eve yet again. Greed is good, right?
Do they let a bunch of monkeys with typewriters come up with some of stuff you people at
CCP write? |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
299
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:10:00 -
[1975] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:This is great. All the people who think unique ships that got destroyed a decade ago should stay destroyed are just dumb.
It's crazy that it took this long for two more to appear.
In reply I leave you this.
Igor Nappi wrote:It's hardly a question of what is handed out, it's a question of the principle that a group of players is being blatantly favoured and handed free stuff. If CCP gave out ordinary Vexors and Magnates it would still be an issue.
Think about it.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
GrammarNazi
SOMER Blink
Cognitive Development
29
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:19:00 -
[1976] - Quote
Hey, guys. It looks like there are quite a few people with... strong opinions on the prizes sponsored by CCP. Since Navigator was kind enough to try to explain things on CCP's end, I thought I'd give a few basic answers to explain (and in a few areas, reiterate) where we at Blink stand on the issue.
1. My favourite fansite didn't get anything to give away. Why you, and not them?
This is a hot point of contention, and I can understand why. Favoritism is not something anyone wants in Eve, and I'm absolutely certain that CCP Navigator is aware of the company's policy in that area. "Why Blink?" is certainly a valid question, and to be honest, I can only speculate. I would like to believe that it is because we have dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present. It may be because we reach a certain critical mass of players that is optimal for CCP to test third party event partnership. There's likely other criteria that I can't begin to guess.
What is important to remember is that CCP has not stated that this is a one-off with Blink. As far as I am aware, if they are pleased with the outcome of this event, then there is the opportunity that CCP will conduct more of these events with other organizations. Other sites such as Eve Bet and EOM, or independents like Chribba or Darknesss, would certainly deserve it. However, I don't work for CCP, so this is all speculation on my part.
2. Blink is a scam! How do we know they're not going to take all of the prizes?
Somer Blink has been operating in its current iteration since October 2010, and in that time, we've dealt with thousands of players, participated in a ton of draws, and we've seen over one quadrillion (that's sixteen zeros) isk pass through our business. Before that, Somerset Mahm was well known as a respected community member and forum lottery administrator. We handle a large amount of limited issue ships and modules, many of which are unique or tournament prizes, as a matter of course. Stealing two limited issue ships, as shiny as they might be, would provide nothing of value to us. They would never be able to be used or sold, and even if there weren't repercussions from CCP, there would be (understandably) from a customer base which relies upon our honesty and transparency. Any theft or dishonesty, no matter how small, would undermine our business model; it would be like breaking down an isk-printing machine to sell as scrap metal.
However, this is Eve, and if there's one thing the past has taught us, it's that capsuleers can be devious. Because of the nature of the game, we have always had the policy that we do not coerce anyone into playing. If you believe CCP is in error with respect to trusting us with this draw, or that we have dishonest intentions, or even if you just don't like us, we encourage you not to play. And as always, as with everything in Eve, do not Blink what you cannot afford to lose.
3. Blink makes money off of this! How can CCP give more to the rich people and not help the little guy?
As I mentioned above, we are a business. We do our best in our niche to accomodate our customers, and we do make a profit on most Blinks. A good deal of these profits go toward paying our employees - all of whom are responsible for the delivery of every single prize - and a significant amount goes towards promo Blinks, which are items we give away for odd tokens that have no real value. After that, a good deal of profits go towards sponsorships - Red versus Blue, the Syndicate Competitive League, and many live events, just to name a few. We generally don't go up and down the aisles telling people how many hundreds of billions of isk we've donated to other organizations that work to generate content in Eve, mainly because advertising is a nice side benefit to helping hardworking people achieve success. Also, because it would make us look rather conceited.
Regardless, whether you think we're good or bad, we can offer only one solution if you're unsatisfied with us - don't play. This is the old "vote with your wallet" bit offered to customers time immemorial. If you're a person who can't stand the though of us making a profit on a blink, consider your gilded invitation sent.
In closing, I understand that not everyone will be happy with this event, regardless of the outcome. If there is a way we can improve on our service, please mail myself, Andrev Nox, Somerset Mahm, or Sylvie Blinkhelper, and we'll do our best to address concerns. If you're concerned with the way CCP is planning events, please contact their support staff; I'm sure they would love to hear feedback on this test. To the people who do decide to play; best of luck.  |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
258
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:20:00 -
[1977] - Quote
Mycool Jahksn wrote:All the people who think unique ships that got destroyed a decade ago should stay destroyed are just dumb.
The permanent destruction of assets is kind of core to EVE and one of the main things that differentiates it from it's competitors.
It's perfectly reasonable for players that like the game to be concerned by a change in direction which could endanger the long term appeal and viability of the game. Or to be concerned when a publicity stunt that is supposed to positively promote the game on the day of an expansion announcment that is critical to the future prospects of the game turns into a entirely avoidable PR disaster due a string of fundamental errors.
Really, most of us just want CCP to stop self harming. |
Steijn
Quay Industries
CAStabouts
364
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:21:00 -
[1978] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote: If there is a way we can improve on our service, please mail myself, Andrev Nox, Somerset Mahm, or Sylvie Blinkhelper, and we'll do our best to address concerns. If you're concerned with the way CCP is planning events, please contact their support staff; I'm sure they would love to hear feedback on this test. To the people who do decide to play; best of luck.
you could give the prizes back to CCP and tell them to do their own lottery, that would be a start.
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Cannibal Kane
Umkhonto We Sizwe
2423
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:22:00 -
[1979] - Quote
So only people that waste their gambling will be able to win one of these...
Well that's ******.
Not to mention how it is being done.
I would love to be able to fly one of these ships but since I don't gamble I guess I will never be able to. Something is not right here...
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
RDevz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
[1980] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:So only people that give lots of ISK to a private corporation will be able to win one of these...
Fixed that for you.
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