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Ieon Fallhammer
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:29:00 -
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I currentlly own a Drake and I think I'm ready to move up to a Battleship...I was hopeing for some help on deciding which of the two to go with. A lot of people have Ravens, but at first glance, the Rokh looks to be just as good. Any reason not to go with the Rokh?
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Rawr Cristina
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:31:00 -
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Darwin Duck
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:31:00 -
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Probably coz Raven is great for missions with the 6 launcher bays (7 for Navy Raven and 8 for state Raven)
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:36:00 -
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Rohk = decent sp pvp fleet sniper or leet sp pvp blasterboat.
Raven = lol train up some level 1 skills and your taking out bs with your small pvp gang or running level 4 missions for phat iskies.
You decide.
Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Htrag
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:37:00 -
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Not really comparable beasts. The rokh is more of a gun boat, and the raven of course is a missile boat so that would be the primary issue.
As far as tank goes the rokh is superior, and accordingly more expensive.
What are your objectives for the battleship...? pvp, missions, etc.
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Dirk Magnum
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:48:00 -
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Rokh for gangs/fleets, Raven for solo fun. Pick which one you'll be doing more of. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Ieon Fallhammer
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:51:00 -
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I would definately be doing more missions than Pvp.
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.04.05 04:53:00 -
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Raven then.
Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
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Uzuness
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Posted - 2008.04.05 05:57:00 -
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Raven.. can pick what damage you want to do. I own both ships, love my Rokh.. but my Raven is much better at missions. Besides, Rokh is a pvp ship.
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Van'Klomp
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:53:00 -
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You need good skills to use a rokh in missions, and then the raven is still better (Although less fun!)
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Leilah Eldgorn
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:42:00 -
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If you do missions go for missile ships.
Caldari ship armed with blasters suffers great problems with capacitor (take that amarr!) even with railguns there will be lot of cap usage and when you combine that with active shield tanking which takes a lot capacitor (take that amarr!^2) it's very bad for mission running. Passive tanking a turret boat is problematic too, since passive tanking takes out your capacitor (take that amarr!^3). Also caldari ships are slow and don't have good capacitor capacity so if you need to keep range at optimal you would need afterburner (takes moar capacitor) and if you're ratting microwarpdrive (makes your capacitor completely fail).
In pvp you can balance your capacitor usage to somewhat acceptable numbers so it's not so much problem there. Shield tanking and blasters is very problematic though, since cap injectors are medium slot modules. And in rokh you would need like.. 2 injectors, in some setups.
Anyhow, caldari turret boat = bad for missions. You can try ratting for fun in emergency but it's not so easy.
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Ioci
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ieon Fallhammer I would definately be doing more missions than Pvp.
Raven. (pointed out)
But in truth, your Drake is formidable in mission runs. They will fit as many heavy launchers and percentage based damage allow set ups to tank just as well. I understand it's also about the look and feel of a BS and not pure performance so the Raven is a must for missions |
Tzar'rim
Nazcan Technologies
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 05/04/2008 10:47:24
Originally by: Leilah Eldgorn If you do missions go for missile ships.
Caldari ship armed with blasters suffers great problems with capacitor (take that amarr!) even with railguns there will be lot of cap usage and when you combine that with active shield tanking which takes a lot capacitor (take that amarr!^2) it's very bad for mission running. Passive tanking a turret boat is problematic too, since passive tanking takes out your capacitor (take that amarr!^3). Also caldari ships are slow and don't have good capacitor capacity so if you need to keep range at optimal you would need afterburner (takes moar capacitor) and if you're ratting microwarpdrive (makes your capacitor completely fail).
In pvp you can balance your capacitor usage to somewhat acceptable numbers so it's not so much problem there. Shield tanking and blasters is very problematic though, since cap injectors are medium slot modules. And in rokh you would need like.. 2 injectors, in some setups.
Anyhow, caldari turret boat = bad for missions. You can try ratting for fun in emergency but it's not so easy.
At least caldari has another weapon system to use, actually CAN passive tank and can choose it's damage type. The rokh is a sniper, using it for missions and then saying "take that Amarr" just is silly.
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Yosarian
MediaCataclysm
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Yosarian on 05/04/2008 11:46:48 Edited by: Yosarian on 05/04/2008 11:45:06 Ravens are the most popular level 4 mission battleship in eve, by a long way. Why? Mainly because missiles are so easy and effective... no tracking to worry about, long range, and able to switch damage types without difficulty.
If you want to try something different for level 4's, other popular choices (though less popular than the Raven) are:
Dominix: Gallente battleship. You need good drones and armour tank skills. Once you get good, they demand even less attention than the Raven... just let the drones loose and sit back and, well, keep sitting back.
Typhoon: Minmatar battleship. Lots of different skills needed: missiles, projectiles, drones and armour tank. But, if you want those skills anyway, then why not? They are a pain to fit, but great once you are there.
Drake: you can do level 4 missions in a Drake. To be really effective you really need to put your training time into missile damage in a big way, plus battlecruiser level V. Plus tech 2 drones (a drone link is nice in that last high slot). And don't forget the compulsory 3 x shield regen rigs alongside a fully tech II tank. But it saves you having to worry about training battleship-class weapons, caldari BS, and for nos. Plus, training Battlecruiser V is a prerequisite for training for a Nighthawk (command ship class - tech II battlecruiser), which makes a great missionruner and is pretty pimp.
Ishtar: Gallente heavy assault cruiser, can do level 4s. Lots of ship skill training needed, plus great drone skills.
You can do level 4s in any of the gunship battleships too: Rokh, Tempest, Maelstrom, and the Amarr ships. Really, any battleship if you really want to fly it. Alternatively, train a second account to fly logistics and fly an upside-down bathtub with nuclear missiles strapped to it if you feel like it.
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Buyerr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin Duck Probably coz Raven is great for missions with the 6 launcher bays (7 for Navy Raven and 8 for state Raven)
heheh, something telling me you are new since you are even mentioning the state raven as a valid mission running ship XD I declare war on stupidity |
Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.05 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Stuart Price on 05/04/2008 13:50:33 Real men buy a Rokh, attach as many Neutron Blaster Cannon II's as humanly possible (even attempting to weld on extra hardpoints) and become overly aggressive with them. You are also allowed to make terrible puns at this point such as, "Rokh and roll".
Lesser mortals get Ravens and worry over fittings, trying to get the same amount of dps and survivability as the ROKH MAN (for he deserves the capital letters) but failing miserably. They can run missions more efficiently though and we all know efficiency is FUN!
Would you rather warp into combat drunk, on fire and screaming incoherent madness about tearing faces off with cannons and then laughing maniacally as you turn on ze guns OR would you rather warp into combat hoping that your torpedoes reach the target before it dies, you die, everyone gets bored and leaves or they kersplode for Much-Less-Damage-Than-You-Thought-Because-of-Explosion-Radius-and-Velocity? "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Cikulisuy
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.04.06 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 05/04/2008 13:50:33 Real men buy a Rokh, attach as many Neutron Blaster Cannon II's as humanly possible (even attempting to weld on extra hardpoints) and become overly aggressive with them. You are also allowed to make terrible puns at this point such as, "Rokh and roll".
Lesser mortals get Ravens and worry over fittings, trying to get the same amount of dps and survivability as the ROKH MAN (for he deserves the capital letters) but failing miserably. They can run missions more efficiently though and we all know efficiency is FUN!
Would you rather warp into combat drunk, on fire and screaming incoherent madness about tearing faces off with cannons and then laughing maniacally as you turn on ze guns OR would you rather warp into combat hoping that your torpedoes reach the target before it dies, you die, everyone gets bored and leaves or they kersplode for Much-Less-Damage-Than-You-Thought-Because-of-Explosion-Radius-and-Velocity?
i choose abaddon because lasers are inherently superior to your silly hybrids this out of all will remain, they have lived and have tossed; so much of the game will be gain, though the gold and the dice have been lost. |
Norjia Blacksteel
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.06 15:16:00 -
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Yeah, I use Abaddon as well. Need loads of cap recharge mods though...
---- Norjia Blacksteel CEO Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing |
Darwin Duck
Ark Royals
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Posted - 2008.04.06 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Darwin Duck on 06/04/2008 15:23:36
Originally by: Buyerr
Originally by: Darwin Duck Probably coz Raven is great for missions with the 6 launcher bays (7 for Navy Raven and 8 for state Raven)
heheh, something telling me you are new since you are even mentioning the state raven as a valid mission running ship XD
Was just mentioning it for the hell of it. I started in january 2004, so I'm probably "older" than you
Edit, fixed an insane grammar error!
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Ryoji Tanakama
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Posted - 2008.04.06 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Htrag Not really comparable beasts. The rokh is more of a gun boat, and the raven of course is a missile boat so that would be the primary issue.
As far as tank goes the rokh is superior, and accordingly more expensive.
What are your objectives for the battleship...? pvp, missions, etc.
Not entirely true. The rock will nagate a higher incoming DPS but only for a limited time, the raven will mount a slightly weaker tank but will do so forever. So if you were in a fleet with HUGE incoming dps the rock has the advantage, but often in smaller engagements I'd put my money on the raven.
This is only considering tank however.
The rokh can perma tank if you avoid firing any hybrid weapons of any kind, if it's possible to mount a good perma tank and fire your guns then you're making some HUGE sacrifice somewhere.
~Ryoji Tanakama
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Stuart Price
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.07 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cikulisuy
Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 05/04/2008 13:50:33 Real men buy a Rokh, attach as many Neutron Blaster Cannon II's as humanly possible (even attempting to weld on extra hardpoints) and become overly aggressive with them. You are also allowed to make terrible puns at this point such as, "Rokh and roll".
Lesser mortals get Ravens and worry over fittings, trying to get the same amount of dps and survivability as the ROKH MAN (for he deserves the capital letters) but failing miserably. They can run missions more efficiently though and we all know efficiency is FUN!
Would you rather warp into combat drunk, on fire and screaming incoherent madness about tearing faces off with cannons and then laughing maniacally as you turn on ze guns OR would you rather warp into combat hoping that your torpedoes reach the target before it dies, you die, everyone gets bored and leaves or they kersplode for Much-Less-Damage-Than-You-Thought-Because-of-Explosion-Radius-and-Velocity?
i choose abaddon because lasers are inherently superior to your silly hybrids
Yeah, well as soon as I can be bothered to train t2 large pulses, I'll be using an Abaddon as well most likely. Blokh is still a sickly amount of win however and I'll always enjoy the fact that it looks like a bus. A bus from TEH FUTARE. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
Spaztick
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Posted - 2008.04.07 02:36:00 -
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AFKaldari Raven IMO, for missioning.
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Uzuness
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Posted - 2008.04.07 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stuart Price Edited by: Stuart Price on 05/04/2008 13:50:33 Real men buy a Rokh, attach as many Neutron Blaster Cannon II's as humanly possible (even attempting to weld on extra hardpoints) and become overly aggressive with them. You are also allowed to make terrible puns at this point such as, "Rokh and roll".
Lesser mortals get Ravens and worry over fittings, trying to get the same amount of dps and survivability as the ROKH MAN (for he deserves the capital letters) but failing miserably. They can run missions more efficiently though and we all know efficiency is FUN!
Would you rather warp into combat drunk, on fire and screaming incoherent madness about tearing faces off with cannons and then laughing maniacally as you turn on ze guns OR would you rather warp into combat hoping that your torpedoes reach the target before it dies, you die, everyone gets bored and leaves or they kersplode for Much-Less-Damage-Than-You-Thought-Because-of-Explosion-Radius-and-Velocity?
I own a Raven AND a Rokh. WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW?!
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Gark32
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Posted - 2008.04.07 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ieon Fallhammer Raven or Rohk
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.07 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Rohk = decent sp pvp fleet sniper or leet sp pvp blasterboat.
Raven = lol train up some level 1 skills and your taking out bs with your small pvp gang or running level 4 missions for phat iskies.
You decide.
Slightly exaggerated but true.
The Rokh needs more skills, and higher skills, than the Raven to get good performance out of it, plain and simple. And since you've been flying a Drake, something tells me you've probably been neglecting the Gun and Cap skills needed to make a Rokh really shine.
PvE Cruise Raven requires very little skill. You might not break Rachen Mysuna with crap Cruise skills, but anything else dies. The bold can also find ways to Torpedo-fit mission Ravens. PvP Raven requires good skills if you want to be effective, though.
But if you've got the SP, the Rokh is a great mission runner. 425mms with Antimatter from 60-70km ftw. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
corebloodbrothers
freelancers inc Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:15:00 -
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i did it a long time in a drake, its a great mission runner and cheap. but i salvage, and i love the bigger cargo hold of my raven, and the drones, so i switched to raven, its a bit less exciting, but the bigger crago makes it good for me cause i hate jumping out of a mission cause my cargo is full.
so raven,
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Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:20:00 -
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A 425mm rokh out DPSs a cruise raven but has to think about range and requires more skills so its up to you. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Miang Hawwa
Princeps Corp T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Miang Hawwa on 07/04/2008 12:25:29
Originally by: Yosarian training for a Nighthawk
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen A 425mm rokh out DPSs a cruise raven but has to think about range and requires more skills so its up to you.
A LOT more skills, both SP and player skills.
If you do missions for the challenge (lol?) then use a Rokh. If you do it for the isk, use a Raven. -- Ralara / Ralarina |
Claude Lewis
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:46:00 -
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Its all about personal preference i guess
A few years back i was into takin e's and stuff so raven was great but now i'm older i dont do those silly things any more so rohk seems to fit better.
AS i said, its about personal preference really.
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