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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 08:33:04
Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: LRN Thank you, I believe we can now safely return to discussing relevant feasibility aspects of my bond offering.
Obviously you can't as you haven't. How about you go back and answer the questions people ask instead of insulting them and dodging the questions.
You mean like you bashing noobs all day? while I can produce evidence that I've actually helped beginners more than once and answered their questions posted in the MD forum despite my "trolling" reputation?
I will entrust Kazuo Ishiguro with my API key to have a look at my dealings for himself if that's really necessary.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: LRN You mean like you bashing noobs all day? while I can produce evidence that I've actually helped beginners more than once and answered their questions posted in the MD forum despite my "trolling" reputation?
1) The thread you linked showing Shadarle bashing noobs actually showed Shadarle giving good advice to the noob, his bashing was of an established player (read: not a noob).
2) You had an agenda. The agenda was to gain presence in MD, make it look like you were participating and then profit off investors (maybe to scam, maybe not). Either way it has backfired. In case you didn't notice, those noobs you helped aren't investing in you today either...
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:04:31
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
1) The thread you linked showing Shadarle bashing noobs actually showed Shadarle giving good advice to the noob, his bashing was of an established player (read: not a noob).
Giving a straight answer and seeming quite irritated when doing so doesn't help. If you really want to help you'll detail your reasoning. You probably know the saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. But then again maybe you don't.
That's not the only evidence I can produce to Shadarle's bitterness. Want more?
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
2) You had an agenda. The agenda was to gain presence in MD, make it look like you were participating and then profit off investors (maybe to scam, maybe not). Either way it has backfired. In case you didn't notice, those noobs you helped aren't investing in you today either...
I could explain to you the basics of non-attachment but I doubt it will help you a bit. Irrespective of the outcome of this bond offering I will still be here and post in the forums, it is something you will have to deal with.
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EBANK Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Giving a straight answer and seeming quite irritated when doing so doesn't help. If you really want to help you'll detail your reasoning. You probably know the saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. But then again maybe you don't.
You should try and practice what you preach. You try to discredit Shadarle in some way when you yourself have probably bashed or attacked 50 people this week alone in these forums. Do you know the meaning of a hypocrite?
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Irrespective of the outcome of this bond offering I will still be here and post in the forums, it is something you will have to deal with.
And I will also remain here to ensure people understand their funds are far safer invested in DragonRiderTAO
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:17:44
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
You should try and practice what you preach. You try to discredit Shadarle in some way when you yourself have probably bashed or attacked 50 people this week alone in these forums. Do you know the meaning of a hypocrite?
Yes and I also know what a waste of time would be dealing with bald guys that are determined to discredit you no matter what and the benefit of providing my API key to a third party to audit my dealings.
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Samantha Watanabe
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:29:00 -
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Providing your API key isn't going to reveal any crucial info. Going back through your last thread, you've demonstrated that you have an army of alts at your disposal. Its a simple matter to trade something to those alt to hide an asset. And then if you suddenly decide to stab your investors in the back you can just press the button that resets the key, or if you forgot to do that we might get the name of the character you ship all the isk off to. Really, it just doesn't matter. You've shown yourself time and time again in this thread and countless others before it to be a person of such low moral standing that anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't put it past you to rob people in broad daylight.
I'm sorry that I wasted my time earlier thinking that it might be interesting to invest in such a venture as yours, but until I am reprocessed to make room for a more useful character on this account I will join the MD regulars in denouncing your every venture from now on.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:41:07
Originally by: Samantha Watanabe Providing your API key isn't going to reveal any crucial info. Going back through your last thread, you've demonstrated that you have an army of alts at your disposal. Its a simple matter to trade something to those alt to hide an asset. And then if you suddenly decide to stab your investors in the back you can just press the button that resets the key, or if you forgot to do that we might get the name of the character you ship all the isk off to. Really, it just doesn't matter. You've shown yourself time and time again in this thread and countless others before it to be a person of such low moral standing that anyone with an ounce of sense wouldn't put it past you to rob people in broad daylight.
I'm sorry that I wasted my time earlier thinking that it might be interesting to invest in such a venture as yours, but until I am reprocessed to make room for a more useful character on this account I will join the MD regulars in denouncing your every venture from now on.
The door is that way, troll. Member of Science and Trade institute for 1 year, -0.1 personal standing, disliked by Concord -0.05, no other standings. Send my regards to Selene.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:44:31 Please not that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.07 09:54:00 -
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STATUS
26 bonds still available, 4 reserved, none confirmed. Reservations: [list]MilowFV 2 bonds Jareck Hunter 2 bonds[/list
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:49:45
Please note that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration.
Actually, she was a potential investor and then she saw your true colors. Likely much like everyone else who has clicked this thread.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 12:08:42
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 09:49:45
Please note that Samantha Watanabe is a troll, any post she made is not to be taken into consideration.
Actually, she was a potential investor and then she saw your true colors. Likely much like everyone else who has clicked this thread.
Just like the time when your gut told you that Riethe's plan was a sound one after he socially engineered you and many more blunders you're unwilling to take credit for. Of course that since you posted your choice to invest and dragged Ebank into it your example was contagious and in the end it was the investors that payed dearly cause like you said on previous occasions 2B didn't mean anything for you. Perhaps I should repost your dialog with Riethe for everyone to appraise your reasoning. hahah The sooner you're willing to accept your limitations and act accordingly the better it is for EVERYONE.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:13:00 -
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You really are a fool
Originally by: LRN Of course that since you posted your choice to invest and dragged Ebank into it your example was contagious and in the end it was the investors that payed dearly cause like you said on previous occasions 2B didn't mean anything for you.
1) We have no investors 2) I repaid that 2b out of my own wallet as I felt I hadn't done sufficient research on the person in question.
Quote: Perhaps I should repost your dialog with Riethe for everyone to appraise your reasoning. hahah
Absolutely. Post the one convo I had that Riethe aired which had approx 12 lines of data, and as he did, bypass the other 5 or so convo's i had with him that lasted quite a few hours.
Anyway, this isn't about me, its about YOU. Stop trying to take the focus off yourself. You are the one asking for public money, you should cut the crap, grow up, and maybe try to defend yourself rather than attacking everyone else.
As above, your data was incorrect as per normal and taken out of context, precisely the same way you believe your admittance to scam has been taken out of context. Anyone giving funds to this child deserves what's coming to them.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 12:36:08 This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person.
However I believe that your flawed judgment should be taken into consideration since you've taken the liberty to make gloomy forecasts on no evidence whatsoever and also resorted to ad hominem arguments. I believe the community deserves to know what your limitations are. You say you payed the 2B out of your own pocked and refunded Ebank, you should have payed the entire 40B Riethe scammed from the investors with your help, you TOOL.
Letting your own personal feelings interfering with your reasoning is a detrimental flaw and one that you should have taken into account before deciding to post in this thread.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2008.04.07 13:07:00 -
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Psst, LRN.
You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money.
You're doing it all wrong.
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jna
Black Ash Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.07 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Psst, LRN.
You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money.
You're doing it all wrong.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2008.04.07 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Psst, LRN.
You're supposed to go postal and call the most popular guy here a tool after you get the money.
You're doing it all wrong.
Well put sir.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 07/04/2008 14:50:00
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Well put sir.
Well trolled sir. Though 3 words... that's pretty cheap coming from an established troll like yourself. Just wondering if you haven't misplaced you brain again.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.07 17:44:00 -
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:49:00 -
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Quote: Yes, the bulk of my efforts will be focused on running a region wide competitive L4 mission loot recycling operation in a region of my choosing. Probably Lonetrek.
Lonetrek is probably not your best choice, seeing as how for most 'good' L4 mission recyle orders a couple people have already come in and placed quite high region wide buy orders.
There are much better opportunities elswhere. And don't limit yourself to caldari space. In my experience other places farther from jita tend to have more advantageous opportunities.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.07 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 07/04/2008 18:59:47
Originally by: LRN This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person.
So if Riethe posted a good business plan here people should invest as it has nothing to do with the person? If GeneralStarscream posted a good plan people should invest?
The person is the most important part of any plan. A good person will make a good investment 90% of the time, the same is not true of a good plan. A good plan can't make a scammer not a scammer and it can't make you a good investment. The fact that you refuse to answer questions about your plan only reinforces the problems you are having.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2008.04.07 20:26:00 -
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I'll forgive you for bringing up my poor, poor frigates in response to your blatant and continuing hypocrisy as you have no idea the pain their many, many tiny little deaths have caused me (I'm like a one man goon swarm without the 'special humor' tbh)
I'm glad to see you have taken people's advice and brought your offering more in line with the collateral. Whether your goal is a scam in the future, or further businesses run legitimately it is a good step. As it stands (unless we think the person holding them is an alt of his too?) the reasons not to invest go from being immediate and practical (Scam) to the less compelling 'giving him legitimacy might bring future problems.'
Well played, and perhaps not too little to late given the above average returns.
I would invest at this point, just so I could try and get a return on the time I've blown in your threads (though to be fair I get a certain amount of recreational utility out of it), if only I wasn't so desperately poor. --------------
GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 07/04/2008 18:59:47
Originally by: LRN This whole thread relates to the feasibility of a bond offering whose business plan I've outlined from the beginning. That's what I'm willing to discuss. It has nothing to do with my person.
So if Riethe posted a good business plan here people should invest as it has nothing to do with the person? If GeneralStarscream posted a good plan people should invest?
The person is the most important part of any plan. A good person will make a good investment 90% of the time, the same is not true of a good plan. A good plan can't make a scammer not a scammer and it can't make you a good investment. The fact that you refuse to answer questions about your plan only reinforces the problems you are having.
Shadarle, here boy, pay attention:
I'm lowering the number of available bonds from 30 to 25 way below the value of the collateral and I'm increasing the return to 8%. If this doesn't convince anyone then I guess there's nothing I can do.
Good boy.
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Priest Amarr
Temple's Gate
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:23:00 -
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The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it.
The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment.
Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations.
I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him.
May peace be upon you Priest Amarr
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 08/04/2008 02:25:07
Originally by: Ulstan
Quote: Yes, the bulk of my efforts will be focused on running a region wide competitive L4 mission loot recycling operation in a region of my choosing. Probably Lonetrek.
Lonetrek is probably not your best choice, seeing as how for most 'good' L4 mission recyle orders a couple people have already come in and placed quite high region wide buy orders.
There are much better opportunities elswhere. And don't limit yourself to caldari space. In my experience other places farther from jita tend to have more advantageous opportunities.
The reason the prices are so high in Lonetrek is part due to competition and the fact that the owner does not have time to constantly update his orders so it's better to end up with something in his/her wallet than nothing. I'll have to consider carefully the volume and margins available in a couple of regions before I make up my mind. Thank you though. It's great to receive some public interest apart from trolling.
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LRN
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.04.08 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Priest Amarr The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it.
The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment.
Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations.
I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him.
May peace be upon you Priest Amarr
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Shadarle
LI0NS Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: LRN
Originally by: Priest Amarr The chances LNR will go legit with this bond is higher than a brand new person coming here to ask for money. I am watching conversations and seeing that LNR wants to show everybody he can manage to pay back a bond even if he cant make any money trading , there is a great chance he will do some missions , ratting or mining to put together interest in case he already doesn't have it.
The problem is this whole banking, bonds and IPO business is not a necessity but an activity people enjoy to do in Eve. Nobody really invest his one billion isk into these kind of projects for earning 70 million isk back in one month. That money can be made in a short time if thats the concern. People invest their money because they enjoy it, this whole MD forum is based on people enjoys investment.
Thats why emotions play a bigger role than actual profit when it comes to MD investments in Eve. If people dont like LNR enough, the return he is promising might become irrelevant. Whoever wants to be successful in this business, they need good people skills first and trading skills later since possible investors are usually willing to accept lower returns if they are happy the way you manage your investment and relations.
I do not know LNR well enough to bless this project nor I can accuse him for anything. All I see he wants to prove everybody he can manage a bond but people are not happy with the way they are treated by him.
May peace be upon you Priest Amarr
Thank you my good man, all I am asking is a chance to prove I can achieve what I said.
Unfortunately it proves nothing. If you personally have 1.24 bil you can start a 1 bil loan at 8% for 3 months. Then you pay back 8% per month and the 1b at the end. Does this really make you any more trustworthy? No. The only thing it does is show you are willing to pay 250 mil in order to hopefully gain some trust. This way you can launch a 10b bond and scam it or pay out 2.5b in the hopes of building up more trust so you can launch a 30-40b bond to scam it.
I do not see a single scenario in which I think you're acting out of good faith. You've lost all possibility of gaining trust in my eyes. If someone else feels differently they should invest. Gaining 70 mil isk over a month is not worth it in order to humor a troll. I'd rather watch and laugh as he can't get funding a second time in a row or to see which people actually do invest.
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LRN
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: LRN on 08/04/2008 03:12:21
Originally by: Shadarle
I do not see a single scenario in which I think you're acting out of good faith. You've lost all possibility of gaining trust in my eyes. If someone else feels differently they should invest. Gaining 70 mil isk over a month is not worth it in order to humor a troll. I'd rather watch and laugh as he can't get funding a second time in a row or to see which people actually do invest.
And that pretty much wraps it, you've never asked one honest question without the intention to discredit me. And that's why I've stopped answering your questions and I've provided my API keys (for auditing my (past) dealings) and a collateral above the bond request. I hope people see you for what you are, a bitter man with an overgrown ego.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.04.08 03:43:00 -
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This is like social entropy over here man.
The business plan Do every possible thing wrong
Character profile LRN is a jerk.
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GFG.
He's already proven his intelligence. (and by that I mean he's shown everyone very clearly that he has none.)
Whether or not you think he's going to scam--who cares? He's a giant ass and as far as I'm concerned I'd rather invest in Riethe before I give money to an ass.
What's an ass going to do with your money anyway? Probably just get it all dirty.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.08 19:08:00 -
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Two full api keys have been provided to me by LRN; I have seen details for 6 characters across two accounts. Most of them bear all the characteristics of trade alts, with almost all of the action taking place on LRN and YouGotRipped via the corp master wallet.
Ewigkeit has achieved sales of some 5.5bn isk over the last week, manufacturing certain popular items for a modest profit. LRN has also been running missions to supplement his income, compensating for poor returns in this area. None of the 6 characters has been involved in any significant trading except to purchase materials for building the aforementioned items.
I can also vouch that from what I've seen that there is no obvious connection between Ewigkeit and General Starscream.
I certainly feel that it is within the means of LRN to fund the required 200m per month for the bond, even if it isn't necessarily done via the most efficient possible way of doing things. I would draw comparisons between this offering and Project 1.5; in both cases, an industrialist wants to expand operations and prefers to do it via a bond. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.04.08 19:19:00 -
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I'll take up 1 bond @ 100m for 2 reasons :-
a/ It's no biggie if i lose it and b/ I would be interested to see how LRN/yougotripped actually handles public money
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