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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:57:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Tl;Dr, wah wah I take internet spaceships seriously. Seriously? Aside from the spelling mistakes and obvious typos this was actually a pretty well made thread. I think to liven low sec up they should add a lot more wormhole systems exclusive to that bit of space and yes, for fucks sake, just kill nex already, I can already see what CCP's plan is with it, hope we forget about it and keep introducing items as if the mass protests never happened.
You dont even play so why do you care ?
Also +1 for OP nice post. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1036
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:16:00 -
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Welcome back!
As CCP Unifex said in his recent devblog, Crucible is only the start. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
343
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Posted - 2012.02.26 19:19:00 -
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Kale Kold wrote:Erim Solfara wrote:Just kill NEx, please? God, yes! This is the worst move ever by CCP.
I thought the worst move ever was removing the Moons and giving them to the Goons......................
Beyond the initial pricing embarrassment, is NEX really THAT upsetting or am I missing something the past 9 months......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
158
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:23:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I thought the worst move ever was removing the Moons and giving them to the Goons......................
Beyond the initial pricing embarrassment, is NEX really THAT upsetting or am I missing something the past 9 months.........
There are as many views as there are people. Sure there are people who are not bothered at all and they probably have their reasons.
I personally feel "micro"-transactions have no place in the p2p game, EVEN if they are only cosmetic. If this was f2p game I would have no issues with micro-transactions. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1060
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:40:00 -
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Alrione wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I thought the worst move ever was removing the Moons and giving them to the Goons......................
Beyond the initial pricing embarrassment, is NEX really THAT upsetting or am I missing something the past 9 months.........
There are as many views as there are people. Sure there are people who are not bothered at all and they probably have their reasons. I personally feel "micro"-transactions have no place in the p2p game, EVEN if they are only cosmetic. If this was f2p game I would have no issues with micro-transactions.
Except that we have always had micro transactions in EVE, at least since the PLEX system was introduced. The NEX store is simply a more straight forward and more granular version of it.
You can spend cash, or you can spend ISK (unlike most MT systems), for anything in the NEX... just as you can purchase anything else with cash (via PLEX) or directly with ISK.
Stop being manipulated by the people driving the band wagon with no real clue where they are going.
An argument CAN be made for putting everything in available for ISK and relying on the existing PLEX system for those wishing to spend cash instead, and it has some merit. The draw back is that it looks like this may not dove tail very well with the shared market system that will cross over with DUST. Time will tell on that one. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:45:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Abyss Azizora wrote:Degren wrote:More like
TL;DR "I'm a customer and I vote with my money" If more people did, mmos wouldn't be as awful as they are today. Was glad to see the eve community (Most anyway) cared enough to quit to show CCP how utterly disconnected with the players they had become. (Mostly just that godawful CEO Hilmar of theirs.) Actually you just need a company who's not as stupid as Blizzard, who can actually filter out the garbage rather than give everything bad the players asked for. I'm looking at you, WoW.
This was NOT Blizzard's fault. Blizzard produced a challenging, enveloping world that sucked you in and made you commit.
Then they were purchased by Activision. |
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
158
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:51:00 -
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I understand what you trying to say, but PLEX is not micro-transaction system. The reason we have plex as it is now as it was really popular and CCP streamlined system which players had where they would exchange GTC code for ISK. Its nothing at all like item-shop. |
Katja Norolyev
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:16:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Hilmar did the right thing and it pisses people off. Everyone likes to compare WoW as the "bad" MMO, and say "look at all the players blizzard lost". WoW lost about a million people and profit went UP about 16%. Anybody that says that's a bad model to copy knows **** all about running a business. Meanwhile there's no more ways to MT in eve post Incarna than pre, just more stuff to buy, and its stuff that does not effect stats.
Blizzard produced a stunning game (not marketing strategy) and an excellent first expansion for it (BC), building up a massive head of steam. Then, in 2008, they were bought out by Activision, under which they were made to release rapid-fire expansions that greiviously undermined the preceeding content. Activision rode the wave into the release of WotLK, but then a hard dip in subscriptions (which had been skyrocketing previously. Almost a 180 on the graph.) proved that this new "smart business model" was a disease.
Activision, obviously well-versed in 'running a business' as you put it, decided to trade the games' longevity for a nice quartely statement, and now they have a dying property on their hands, and don't know how to fix it. (More expansions!?)
You see, the clientele of a gaming company do not offer their patronage because the developer is a 'well run business', but because they made and maintain a kickass game. Sometimes, the best interests of a kickass game and your formulaic 'well run business' are not aligned, but in the case of a game developer, if they decide to go with the 'smart business move' at the expense of their game, ultimately they will alienate their customer base and lose everything. It's cutting open the goose that lays the golden eggs.
In short, go back to business school, kid, but this time, don't drink the kool-aid. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
101
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:30:00 -
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Katja Norolyev wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:*snip* *snip*
It's 2012. The definition of a "well run business" today mean min/maxing to give you a nice quarterly result. Micro transactions is a result of this thought process and similar examples can be found were companies are cutting corners to increase short term profit in most branches...
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Valentyn3
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kale Kold wrote:
Nex Store! This stuff should be craftable from clothing patterns (like blueprints). say WWHHAATTT ???????Train-up Sewing to Level V ??
-Knitting V -Crocheting V -Sewing V -Measuring V -Hot Glue Gunning V -Sequins V EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
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FilterDecay
Tsunami Cartel Unprovoked Aggression
1
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:40:00 -
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I just resubbed my 2 accounts.
Posting on my main as I'm super serious and i agree with all points of the op. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
317
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:50:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:Katja Norolyev wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:*snip* *snip* It's 2012. The definition of a "well run business" today mean min/maxing to give you a nice quarterly result. Micro transactions is a result of this thought process and similar examples can be found were companies are cutting corners to increase short term profit in most branches...
And it's no suprise we are in a worldwide crysis.
We live looking at 1 quarter ahead, like an herd of blind buffoons.
EvE is EvE because it did NOT join the manure bandwagon.
Me and most of the other EvE players don't give a f*ck that EvE has not 14M subs nor is as succesful as Apple.
If EvE sold to the best bidder (like most MMOs did) then EvE would have gone ahead with the things and plans that made me and many others quit:
- Idiotic charging 3rd party FREEWARE developers (we lost 2/3 of the old EvE apps developers including me because of this announcement).
- Lol licensing IP for the poor sods who - at their expense - created fan web sites. Because making those who advertise your company for free pay is the definition of cool!
- Squeezing the last cent in any way including retardum shop
- Slamming half made, fully assed content like infamous Incarna + slammed door GTFO (not really) subliminal message.
- Putting in AWESOME content that nobody cared about, was half made and abandoned.
- Last but not least, EA alike, p!ss poor customer assistance. In my personal case (I got subtracted 2 months worth of subscriptions and never got them back) just the first reply from customer support arrived after 20 or so days and the whole process lasted like 2 months. 2 freaking months that in the end did not change ANYTHING.
This is the CCP that the veteran players started to hate, a CCP that would be like this and worse if they sold out to Activision or EA. Selling a MMO to those huge boxes of manure is exactly like when a 0.0 "former relevant" alliance goes to die in NPC 0.0. No glory, no epic memories, just a slow bleeding by never-sated "shark-holders" that want MONEY NAO!
CCP has seen what happens when they p!ss off their players, who are not as stupid as some other MMOs'.
We even anticipated the last year debacle in this thread.
I even posted - 1 year ago - a graph anticipating the playerbase drop.
Can't say they did not see it coming, eh? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
977
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:51:00 -
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Alrione wrote:PLEX is not micro-transaction system GǪIts nothing at all like item-shop.
Just because many existing microtransaction systems in bind-on-equip based economies are item stores doesn't mean that all MT systems must be item stores,
PLEX for ISK is an excellent microtransaction system, allowing you to purchase a fitted rifter with ammo for a few tens of cents,
The particular execution of the Aurum based item store was very poor. The focus on ambulation over FiS was very poor. The severe lack of meaningful content was very poor. None of these factors influence the fact that EVE is still an awesome game. |
Valentyn3
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:52:00 -
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While I don't mind the irl cost of the items (modeling/texturing character like they have is balls hard and try it if you think it isn't) I don't feel that they should almost all be over 1 PLEX in cost. And I especially don't like to be dicked around with by those 1.2 PLEX price tags.
"Haha, jokes on you, now you have just enough AUR left to almost buy the cheapest item in the store. Better buy another PLEX!" EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
35
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:58:00 -
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The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?
Profound. |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
35
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:01:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:While I don't mind the irl cost of the items (modeling/texturing character like they have is balls hard and try it if you think it isn't) I don't feel that they should almost all be over 1 PLEX in cost. And I especially don't like to be dicked around with by those 1.2 PLEX price tags.
"Haha, jokes on you, now you have just enough AUR left to almost buy the cheapest item in the store. Better buy another PLEX!"
Except CCP threw us a bone and allowed us to buy NeX store items with ISK. Anyone who wasn't completely ******** around monocle-gate understood the implications. Unless CCP raises the AUR price to match rising plex prices then it will always be cheaper to simply convert your plex to isk to buy clothes. Monocles are 800 million last time I checked. Plex ranges around 450 million. Do the math. Aurum will die simply because its ******** to use it. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:14:00 -
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I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
439
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:18:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees.
0/10 The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Valentyn3
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:19:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:I disagree, The new player inflow from Incarna was gigantic and crashed the servers constantly. Due to the NEX store and Incarna EVE online is now the most popular mmorpg game and is killing off WoW/Rift and all other competitors. CCP needs to spend all of their resources into giving our Incarna characters levels, equipment, abilities and skill trees.
Careful there, if you try any harder you might hurt your self.
Also, abilites/skilltrees = SP EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
979
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:25:00 -
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Revajin wrote:The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?
Profound.
You forgot the part where the OP specifies which areas of underperformance were the cause of his leaving. Your lack of reading comprehension is indeed profound. |
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Mena Bison
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:27:00 -
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Valentyn3 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kale Kold wrote:
Nex Store! This stuff should be craftable from clothing patterns (like blueprints). say WWHHAATTT ???????Train-up Sewing to Level V ?? -Knitting V -Crocheting V -Sewing V -Measuring V -Hot Glue Gunning V -Sequins V
-Bedazzler V |
Valentyn3
54
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:28:00 -
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Mena Bison wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kale Kold wrote:
Nex Store! This stuff should be craftable from clothing patterns (like blueprints). say WWHHAATTT ???????Train-up Sewing to Level V ?? -Knitting V -Crocheting V -Sewing V -Measuring V -Hot Glue Gunning V -Sequins V -Bedazzler V
I knew I was forgetting one, and one so very essential no less. EvE why u no obey Newtonian Physics? |
FilterDecay
Tsunami Cartel Unprovoked Aggression
1
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:27:00 -
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each level of bedazzler allows you to create 3% more sparkle while using 5% less diamonds.
to go along with this skill is the
hardwiring - p'diddy "dazzle fo shazzle" optical enhancer PDS100 - +3 perception 3% more sparkle 3% less diamonds used and 3% reduction in bedazzlin time.
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Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
35
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:45:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Revajin wrote:The OP left because a service was not meeting his standards as a consumer and has now returned because he feels it does?
Profound. You forgot the part where the OP specifies which areas of underperformance were the cause of his leaving. Your lack of reading comprehension is indeed profound.
Yes that is typically what people do when they are explaining anything. I understand his criticisms, even agree with them. I think it is silly, however, to go on the forums and announce to the world that you are leaving/returning the game. It would be like walking into a Publix, standing on a crate and announcing loudly to everyone that you hadn't shopped there in 6 months because they stopped carrying Zebracakes (truly a valid reason) but had now returned because they had put them back on the shelf. Not only are your personal consumer preferences largely irrelevant to the community as a whole but the very notion of ceasing to use a product/service for not meeting your personal standards is so universally understood that to announce it is unnecessary and just seems like a grab for attention. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
566
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:48:00 -
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OP IS SO BRAVE. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:50:00 -
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Turelus wrote:I left and recently came back as well for many of the same reasons.
While I'm happier with CCP for what the past few months have shown they still have a lot of work to do to have me love them again. I'm just going to sit and watch to see how things go.
I will say that after leaving the last time, I now know how easy it is to step away and just not care about your skills not improving. Now I can do that, I can leave any time I like.
On a brighter note, you're doing well now CCP keep up the good work.
100% agree on that point here. If CCP keeps doing what the are doing now many of my corps will return for sure... |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
115
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:56:00 -
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We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.
EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.
By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones. |
FilterDecay
Tsunami Cartel Unprovoked Aggression
1
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Posted - 2012.02.27 01:07:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.
EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.
By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.
That monocle looks stupid with the missing eyebrow. |
Cipher Jones
338
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Posted - 2012.02.27 01:34:00 -
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Katja Norolyev wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Hilmar did the right thing and it pisses people off. Everyone likes to compare WoW as the "bad" MMO, and say "look at all the players blizzard lost". WoW lost about a million people and profit went UP about 16%. Anybody that says that's a bad model to copy knows **** all about running a business. Meanwhile there's no more ways to MT in eve post Incarna than pre, just more stuff to buy, and its stuff that does not effect stats. Blizzard produced a stunning game (not marketing strategy) and an excellent first expansion for it (BC), building up a massive head of steam. Then, in 2008, they were bought out by Activision, under which they were made to release rapid-fire expansions that greiviously undermined the preceeding content. Activision rode the wave into the release of WotLK, but then a hard dip in subscriptions (which had been skyrocketing previously. Almost a 180 on the graph.) proved that this new "smart business model" was a disease. Activision, obviously well-versed in 'running a business' as you put it, decided to trade the games' longevity for a nice quartely statement, and now they have a dying property on their hands, and don't know how to fix it. (More expansions!?) You see, the clientele of a gaming company do not offer their patronage because the developer is a 'well run business', but because they made and maintain a kickass game. Sometimes, the best interests of a kickass game and your formulaic 'well run business' are not aligned, but in the case of a game developer, if they decide to go with the 'smart business move' at the expense of their game, ultimately they will alienate their customer base and lose everything. It's cutting open the goose that lays the golden eggs. In short, go back to business school, kid, but this time, don't drink the kool-aid.
In short, you have what is called "sour grapes". Look it up, child.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.02.27 01:51:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:We did not realy want you back, ccp my want your euroes but that is only reason.
EVE is unique game and whiners like you just stopped CCP to develope it as one.
By listening what players want EVE would be just one of wow clones.
Because wow is not bad wow is even good and if wow copy some of eve marketing wow will be the best if eve copy some of wow best thinks eve wil be the best space game... Just so i think you are a hater nothing more nothing less.
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