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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 09/04/2008 10:20:57
Originally by: CRUSH BOSS
I will buy as much isk as i need to fly anyship or fit any module i like, that's why i love this game.
Pilots with your attitude (and there are plenty) are one of the many reasons I still enjoy playing EvE. Mainly because when I blow up your ship I get that lovely feeling that I took your lunch money-for real .
Throwing RL cash to compensate for being a ****ty player seems pretty amusing when all you are buying is a collection of pixels.
Suckers .
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Subedai
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:29:00 -
[62]
CCP being able to afford things is in everyones interest. You think more devs come cheap? You think faster servers come cheap? You think higher internet bandwidth to the servers comes cheap? You think CCP being able to IMPROVE THE BLOODY GAME costs nothing?
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Chuck Skull
BBK Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:29:00 -
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I'm one of the folks who buys timecodes. Takes about a week for my cash subs to go through (me and paypal had a lovers tiff, that ended with lawyers) so I have to use bank transfer via paybycash. This takes about a week, I usually remember my accounts need gametime at about the same time it boots me out and tells me my account expired. So I like GTC's.
The great thing about supply and demand is that it's not a constant. The more time codes are available the lower the isk price becomes for them and the more money CCP makes. Win win, no single player/corp/alliance can dominate. There is always going to be someone who will undercut them by 10mil.
Personally killing something that someone paid real money for via GTC or RMT is even sweeter than something bought with isk and usually drops better loot
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Delichon
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Pilots with your attitude (and there are plenty) are one of the many reasons I still enjoy playing EvE. Mainly because when I blow up your ship I get that lovely feeling that I took your lunch money-for real .
1 fully fitted nano-Ishtar - 15 bucks Ability to PVP without bothering about grind and mock leet kids in local for wasting their life on a PC game - priceless |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 10:45:13 Can someone logically explain how buying a GTC injects isk into the system?
I mean the isk is already in game, earned through in game mechanics. And instead of 168 million isk sitting idelly in a wallet they transfer it to someone who does not have the time to grind the isk for a code that allows the 1st player to play for free.
Player 1 has 168 legitmate isk Player 2 has 0 isk and buys a GTC for $15 CCP and also pays $15 for their sub, (CCP $30) Player 1 transfer 168 million isk to Player 2 Player 2 now has 168 million isk and 1 month play time Player 1 -168 million isk but up 1 month play time
So 168 million isk in game stays in game, CCP gets $30 for 2 subs. Everyone but isk sellers are happy.
CCP does not truely make extra money since they are still controlling the game for these 2 additional accounts.
So, I see no isk infusion in this process.
Plaese shed the light for I see no problem what-so-ever!!!
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Mel Gibbson
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Posted - 2008.04.09 10:44:00 -
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I work. (As most of Eve players do)
I make money. (Check)
I have RL commitments. (Family/Kids)
I love eve but i only play 1 or so hours a day.
I like to PVP.
Missions are boring once you do them enough. Ratting is .... so so Exploration is too time consuming.
Pay 20 bucks for 200m isk? Yes please. Thanks CCP for making my life better. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Throwing RL cash to compensate for being a ****ty player seems pretty amusing when all you are buying is a collection of pixels.
Suckers .
You are not wholely right or wrong, but your statement is a blanket full of holes.
One being that you also pay for those pixels, just not quite as much, o wait yes you do. Do you get paid to work in real life? If so the time that you spend at your computer hunting players down costs money (time = money period). Some people do not have as much time to sit at their computer to grind isk so they buy some GTC's to cover their expenses.
This does not necessarily make them a shottty player. It could mean that they do not spend quite as much time at their computer screen. But it could mean that they are a shottty player. I goes both ways. Just pointing that out.
Also I would suspect that you have quite a few years in game so I hope you would be able to take on and win numerous engagements based on skill.
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
1 fully fitted nano-Ishtar - 15 bucks Ability to PVP without bothering about grind and mock leet kids in local for wasting their life on a PC game - priceless
I fully fitted Hurricane = 0 bucks.
Ability to rob someone's 15 buck ship and fund off the next Hurricane off it + mock ISK buyers for wasting their $ on a PC game - priceless.
I haven't done any grinding in 7-8 months, and I could preety much afford to stop paying real life money for EvE and play using GTCs bought by stupid people (who I get to mug again so they can pay my subscription yet again)... I in fact quite like the idea.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:10:00 -
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Skunk..respect for some decent field work, and CCP ban the damn gtc -> ISK trade. |
Caiman Graystock
Quantum of Solace
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:15:00 -
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Selling ISK is bad mmkay! Unless the real world money is going to CCP. |
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:17:00 -
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There's a huge difference between an <ethnic> ISK farmer selling ISK for RL money, and CCP organising inter-player ISK-for-money sales through ETC's.
The <ethnic> ISK farmer has incentive to do massive farming as the more he farms, the more RL money he gets.
Done through ETC's though, the 'RL money' aspect is taken out of the motivation. A player buying ETC's has no incentive to earn ISK on a massive scale for buying ETC's as he'll only be able to 'buy' game-time with it, and there's a definite limit on how much of that he can use. My guess is that 99 out of 100 people purchasing ETC's for ISK only does it to be able to play their account cheaply.
ISK-for-money is ALWAYS going to happen, one way or another! CCP's scheme is actually pretty good since it provides a secure outlet for this with the minimum amount of effects on the game economy. As long as they deal harshly with anyone not using this system, it'll be ok.
I don't give a damn either whether players are able to 'pay their way ahead'. On the grand scale of things, it matters little as it's only a very small percentage of the EVE playerbase. It doesn't hurt my game if someone else was able to buy himself a mommyship through selling ETC's. In fact it just provides me with another high-profile ship to kill.....
Oh, and I think Skunk is still harbouring a grudge about CCP nerfing Privateers
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:18:00 -
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CCP sell GTC's Players buy GTC's GTC's pay for gametime.
Unless people are buying gametime they don't need, I fail to see where the problem is.
CCP get paid the $s for people's subscriptions, be it through direct payment or GTC's, and some people get to play Eve for ISK rather than $s.
You can only sell as many GTC's as people need gametime, so the market is limited - a totally different situation from ISK <-> $s
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Willow Whisp on 09/04/2008 11:30:20 You say
"3.5 million dollars a year."
Like it's supposed to be some significantly large sum. -- My Sig got pwnt by Cortes :( |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Willow Whisp Edited by: Willow Whisp on 09/04/2008 11:30:20 You say
"3.5 million dollars a year."
Like it's supposed to be some significantly large sum.
So your saying that the board of CCP wouldn't shed a tear if they lost 3.5 million dollars worth of revenue every year?
Do you realize how big a different 3.5 million dollars can make?
If people wants to buy isk using GTC's, so let it be. CCP makes monies, i make isk when i blow these people up and people are able to play without having to pay real life money.
Its good for everybody.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Willow Whisp Edited by: Willow Whisp on 09/04/2008 11:30:20 You say
"3.5 million dollars a year."
Like it's supposed to be some significantly large sum.
So your saying that the board of CCP wouldn't shed a tear if they lost 3.5 million dollars worth of revenue every year?
Do you realize how big a different 3.5 million dollars can make?
If people wants to buy isk using GTC's, so let it be. CCP makes monies, i make isk when i blow these people up and people are able to play without having to pay real life money.
Its good for everybody.
Beat me to it LaVista.
And in a much more civil manner I should say.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk Because people are making money selling dwugs to the kids - the government should knock up some Kiosks and start floggin it themselves eh? It will be ok as long as they get the money for it instead of the crims?
Actually, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. It works in Holland, doesn't it ?
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Delichon
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Ability to rob someone's 15 buck ship and fund off the next Hurricane off it + mock ISK buyers for wasting their $ on a PC game - priceless.
There is no way NOT TO waste $ on EVE game - unless...
Originally by: Cpt Branko
I could preety much afford to stop paying real life money for EvE and play using GTCs. I in fact quite like the idea.
Which brings you to the Dark Side, Luke :)))
Who is better a person, who funds 2 characters and earns ISK through grinding missions with one of them,
OR
a person, who funds 1 char, and spends 1 GTC a month to fund his PVP (and spends two times less time playing internet space ships = spends twice more time with his GF :))) )
P.S. Too bad I am don't need to buy ISK through GTC :( I would've done it just for the fun of mocking leet kids :) ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Le Skunk Because people are making money selling dwugs to the kids - the government should knock up some Kiosks and start floggin it themselves eh? It will be ok as long as they get the money for it instead of the crims?
Actually, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. It works in Holland, doesn't it ?
Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.09 11:59:00 -
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CCP are a bunch of scum bags.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:01:00 -
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But how does CCP profit from this? When player A buys a game-time card and sells it for ISK to player B, the ISK gets transferred from player B to player A. Player B uses the GTC to pay his subs for a month. CCP make money selling the card to player A, CPP lose the same amount of money when player B uses the card to pay his subs instead of his credit card. The net effect should be ~0. So the cash isn't "flowing into CCPs coffers" in this respect.
With respect to effectively buying ISK with GTC, that's a different issue. I don't see the problem here either. In fact I don't see a problem with an LP store accepting real money for items (micro-payments, "Apoc Five Dorrar!"). But that's just me. If someone wants to spend ú100 a month on his hobby, that's fine. If you have to "Work" game time to earn the same amount, then good for you. I don't purchase and sell GTC, because I've got enough on my plate with a Mortgage, Car and Restaurant bills to pay, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who wanted to do so. I think in the 80's we used to call it, "the politics of envy". Well, what do you care where the ISK came from?
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Xyn Rhais
Minmatar Tessaract
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:04:00 -
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RMT is not a dirty word, it's not "bad by definition".
Bad are the effects that it has on a game when it's practiced by comercial organizations. Bad are: - spamming - macros - exploits - 24/7 sweatshops - account hacks
If some normal player wants to give some other normal player isk for free, then you wouldn't think twice about it. Then what difference does it make if he gives isk and the other guy pays for his playtime in return ? Because that's what GTCs are. It's no more RMT then paying in isk for a forum signature, killboard, any "service" that isn't an ingame market transaction.
I'd say EvE makes about 40 mil $/year revenue.. 3 mil of those being payed by GTC trades is not that much.
What the blog said is very true. The market for GTCs is limited - there's only so many people paying by GTCs rather then credit card, so many GTCs being issued by CCP, so many people that are willing to farm for them. Already i've seen prices drop due to oversupply.
And the most important thing, the money is normal player isk that is already in the system, it just changes hands. Unlike commercial farms, a player will only farm as much as he needs for his subscription.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 09/04/2008 12:11:24
Originally by: Burnharder But how does CCP profit from this? When player A buys a game-time card and sells it for ISK to player B, the ISK gets transferred from player B to player A. Player B uses the GTC to pay his subs for a month. CCP make money selling the card to player A, CPP lose the same amount of money when player B uses the card to pay his subs instead of his credit card. The net effect should be ~0. So the cash isn't "flowing into CCPs coffers" in this respect.
With respect to effectively buying ISK with GTC, that's a different issue. I don't see the problem here either. In fact I don't see a problem with an LP store accepting real money for items (micro-payments, "Apoc Five Dorrar!"). But that's just me. If someone wants to spend ú100 a month on his hobby, that's fine. If you have to "Work" game time to earn the same amount, then good for you. I don't purchase and sell GTC, because I've got enough on my plate with a Mortgage, Car and Restaurant bills to pay, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone who wanted to do so. I think in the 80's we used to call it, "the politics of envy". Well, what do you care where the ISK came from?
Ding... As I said above also CCP does not even gain from the sales of GTC's other then by some players being able to still have a sub paid for by someone else. That is it.
CCP's only profit is that each GTC is one extra months sub for them.
Slade
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Delichon
The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Delichon on 09/04/2008 12:11:13
Originally by: Xyn Rhais RMT is not a dirty word, it's not "bad by definition".
It is, as opposed to GTC-to-ISK!
ATM If one can make infinity of ISKs. He can get 10 accounts active and spend 23/7 playing them. He can get his entire village to play EVE for free. He can't profit in RL more than that. THUS he has no incentive to farm that infinity of ISKs. (23/7 sweatshops you mentioned)
IF RMT is allowed, The one who can get infinity of ISKs can exchange them for Infinity/exchange rate of ISK-to-USD dollars. RL dollars, which buy you food, beer and pay for your rent. This IS incentive to farm you heart out.
So - yes, RMT IS bad by definition. ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:14:00 -
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One more thing the only way that a purchased GTC becomes something more then a normal paid subscription is if one does not get used. IE. The code does not get used so that $15 purchase did not put a toll on the server.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Throwing RL cash to compensate for being a ****ty player seems pretty amusing when all you are buying is a collection of pixels.
Suckers .
You are not wholely right or wrong, but your statement is a blanket full of holes.
One being that you also pay for those pixels, just not quite as much, o wait yes you do. Do you get paid to work in real life? If so the time that you spend at your computer hunting players down costs money (time = money period). Some people do not have as much time to sit at their computer to grind isk so they buy some GTC's to cover their expenses.
This does not necessarily make them a shottty player. It could mean that they do not spend quite as much time at their computer screen. But it could mean that they are a shottty player. I goes both ways. Just pointing that out.
Also I would suspect that you have quite a few years in game so I hope you would be able to take on and win numerous engagements based on skill.
Slade
-I have one account...paid for by CC subscription.
-I have one main...my original. Plus the two trash alts that CCP was kind enough to provide.
-I look at EvE as a game...entertainment...nothing more. RL is irrelevent beyond paying the sub fee. Said sub fee includes my nice collection of pixels and stored database junk that allows me to grow my pile of pixels courtesy of other peoples pixel's.
-Looking at a game in terms of time=money is one of the most self-serving and utterly stupid things I have ever heard of.
-I have been in game since August 2006. Not very long at all.
I stand by my statement. If you pay anything beyond your sub fee to play this game-you are a sucker.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Delichon
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Pilots with your attitude (and there are plenty) are one of the many reasons I still enjoy playing EvE. Mainly because when I blow up your ship I get that lovely feeling that I took your lunch money-for real .
1 fully fitted nano-Ishtar - 15 bucks Ability to PVP without bothering about grind and mock leet kids in local for wasting their life on a PC game - priceless
You paid $15 for a collection of pixels?
p.s. I don't pay attention to local either
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Dotard
Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:41:00 -
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Everyone makes their own choices when it comes to how they wish to spend their own RL monies.
I spend around $15-$30 a month on GTCs and that comes out of my "entertainment" budget. Some look at this and say it is a waste of money to spend it on a video-game. These are the same ppl who 'waste' $15 a month to subscribe to a video-game.
You want to spend that extra 15-30 $$ on beer or hookers or whatever, that's your decision even though others see it as a "waste" of money. Lambaste me for my decision on how to spend my money. I'm sure I can do the same for some of your budgetary decisions.
So STFU about my "waste" of money. You can hate the game, but don't hate the player.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:42:00 -
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Hi,
I'm a multimillion dollar company owner that has retired and I still make over 100k dollars a month. I certainly don't spend all of that in a month but I try.
I play eve a lot but I don't like the isk gathering part so I simply buy about 5000 dollars of GTC's a month and sell them: 350 gtc's or about 61 bil isk a month.
I continuously buy all the nice officer items on contracts, mess with the market whenever I feel like it and sometimes I donate a titan to my alliance (I think i've donated like 5 now)
So I just fly around in officer fitted faction battleships ganking people in lowsec or when pvping in 0.0 I use a mothership. If I lose it it's not a problem since I got 15 more in my hanger.
I hope I'm not messing up your game too much by letting my alliance own everybody else but then again most of you are in empire mining veldspar for 1 mil isk an hour right?
CCP says it's ok so you can't stop me.
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Jack Gilligan
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:49:00 -
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The OP makes a good point. Either purchasing ISK for $ is good for the game or bad for the game. It can't be bad if bought from farmers or other players and good if bought via sanctioned GTC sales. If RMT is bad for the game, then it's bad whether bought from CCP or from farmers.
Seems to me that what CCP is really saying is that ISK purchase for $ is good when CCP gets the money and bad when someone else does.
It's understandable that CCP wants to discourage buying from farmers (which is bad) but don't do it with the sanctimonious tone that is used. That is hypocritical, and undermines the excellent parts of their argument (that the gold seller companies are criminal enterprises, steal credit card info, etc). It really is a bad idea to buy ISK from these shady dealers.
But don't stand there on a pedestal and tell us that RMT is unbalancing for EVE while offering... RMT...
If ISK buying is bad for the game, ban it. IN ALL FORMS, including GTC and character selling.
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Dotard
Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.09 12:49:00 -
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\O/ to RedClaw!
Personally, I would spend $4000 on GTCs and $1000 on hookers.
I can use all the ISK for quite some time but will only use the hookers for what? like five minutes. Then again thats 2.5 minutes longer than what I need. But I digress....
Point is everyone spends their $$ on what they want.
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