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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2008.04.11 23:53:00 -
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Basically the title... I'm sometimes stuck between jump clones in an odd ship I can run level 4 missions in. I'm not used to such a large drone bay in this one, what should I throw in there to maximise dps? I only have experience with lights and mediums, of which I can use t2.
Option 1: 5 heavies - possibly too slow against frigs?
Option 2: 5 sentries - possibly can't track frigs?
Option 3: 4 heavies and 5 lights
Option 4: 4 heavies and 1 webifing drone.
I have no pve experience in missions with heavies or sentries, and would have to train to use t2. My main concern is nailing those nasty little frigs that do stuffs to you. Hence option 4 - heavies killing NPC frigs with the webifying drone helping.
I've heard mixing drones is bad for over all dps - so option 3, is pull the lights in when the frigs are dead and use the heavies on the battleships. Or should I use these on the cruisers too?
Any help for this drone newb would be much appreciated. Audita et altera pars |
Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2008.04.12 00:25:00 -
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I vote: Option 5: 4 sentries, 5 lights. Use sentries for everything at range, pop out lights for frigs that get under your guns. The instantaneous dps of sentries is not to be underestimated even if you only suppose an average travel distance of 10-15km between targets with heavies - but obviously the significance of this decreases the longer you take to kill your target, so YMMV.
Here's a caveat, though: If you need to kite the npcs because of too little tank/tracking/dps, don't use sentries. (I'd probably use meds because I could get away with just leaving them out for everything, they're t2 and heavies ARE SO ******* SLOW ARRRRRRGH, but I'm lazy like that )
That said I routinely used 4 t2 sentry / 5 t2 light on my Mega and now do the same with 3/5 on my Kronos, and it works just fine.
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banannagirl
Minmatar The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: CmdoColin Edited by: CmdoColin on 12/04/2008 00:58:48 Basically the title... I'm sometimes stuck between jump clones in an odd ship I can run level 4 missions in. I'm not used to such a large drone bay in this one, what should I throw in there to maximise dps? I only have experience with lights and mediums, of which I can use t2.
Option 1: 5 heavies - possibly too slow against frigs?
Option 2: 5 sentries - possibly can't track frigs?
Option 3: 4 heavies and 5 lights
Option 4: 4 heavies and 1 webifing drone.
Option 5: 4 sentries, 5 lights
I have no pve experience in missions with heavies or sentries, and would have to train to use t2. My main concern is nailing those nasty little frigs that do stuffs to you. Hence option 4 - heavies killing NPC frigs with the webifying drone helping.
I've heard mixing drones is bad for over all dps - so option 3, is pull the lights in when the frigs are dead and use the heavies on the battleships. Or should I use these on the cruisers too?
Any help for this drone newb would be much appreciated.
EDIT: Added in Forum Warriors option
I loaded my domi 350 m3 drone space ... with 34 hammerhead twos to kill a level 5/10 plex hive drone queen ... I used all of them plus and had another 17 in my hold before she died ..!
5 rail gun med tech two with advanced ammo and five hammers 2 (the ogres were just being zapped very quickly by her torps and cruises...!)
So 150 m3 will not be enough if your doin the same plex ... nowhere near enough your gonna have to reload a few times.
How much loot did i get i hear you ask .. well not much all in all with overseers personal effects altogether 100 million ..! isk but god this was the most boring thing ive ever done ... 7 gates to the queen and **** drops man apart from the second gate an overseer that dropped tech two components.
Didnt manage to get into the other gate as it wanted plasma physics although i was at lvl 3 it wasnt enough to get in .. would love to know what was in that room if anyone has ever been through the gate that demands plasma physics ...? ill bet you that was where the good stuff was.
regards BG
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:00:00 -
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I suggest 5 Hobgoblin IIs plus 4 sentry drones. Or, you can do what I do and carry 10 Hammerhead IIs and 5 Hobgoblin IIs. ------------
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:05:00 -
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Yeah, 4 sentries and 5 lights, or just a bunch of meds are the ways to go.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:16:00 -
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o.o
You guys are nuts.
You have two options, and two options only.
1) 5 Heavies
2) 4 Heavies, 5 Small Armor Maintenance bots
DPS, DPS, DPS. Who cares about sniping and what not, you need to kill things to move on. So do it :3 |
FT Diomedes
Gallente Ductus Exemplo
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:08:00 -
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Good luck killing that webbing/scramming frigate with 5 Tech I heavy drones or armor maintenence bots. ------------
Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Lobster Man
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:56:00 -
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5x heavy drones + a web or 2 = win
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2008.04.13 00:35:00 -
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banannagirl - only got a 125m¦ drone bay. Ship I'm in I wouldn't normally run missions in, but having 6 hours to kill in a jump clone - it gives me sommat to do.
Siigari Kitawa - Small Armor Maintenance bots - I'm solo... don't think they'll rep with out me ordering them, and I can't target myself. I carry them in my group set up. I've gotta train t2 heavies... will they kill a mission webbing/scramming frigate?
Right now I carry a full set of t2 rat appropriate mediums. Rarely loose any, last time was 3 weeks ago when my ISP sent me link dead. Just want a little more bang for my isk. Gonna give the sentries a go, so training Drone Sharpshooting atm. T1 heavies didn't impress me v's orbiting NPC frigs. Heavy Drone Op 5 is a loong way away, but kinda happy to do it if it nails the frigs that orbit close.
Lobster - no room for a web with the tank, hence option 4 - is this an idea? Audita et altera pars |
Kyra Felann
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 00:54:00 -
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Webs and/or drone tracking upgrades help with tracking frigates. Target painters seem to help too (not with tracking, but with drones hitting them).
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CmdoColin
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Posted - 2008.04.13 01:04:00 -
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Thing is I gotta permatank I'd rather not drop.
I'm using t2 mediums that do the job... but my drone bay is 125m¦ in this puppy, seems a shame to waste it. I CAN complete every level 4, just looking for the optimum dps I can get from my drone bay.
In my normal mission running ship I can clear missions in half the time this ship takes. Part of that I guess is I'm not using the drone bay to it's full potential. Any pointers in what I can do with the drone bay would be much appreciated. |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 01:33:00 -
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The biggest problem with heavies is not tracking, it is travel time. You have to kill the NPCs REALLY SLOW in order for that to become an insignificant factor. So heavy drones for L4s are only the best option if your intention is to suck by default. Or if you run a permatanking AFK setup. Whereas sentry drones offer instant high damage at range, and meds offer decent damage with bearable travel times, and equally good performance against all target sizes. |
Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2008.04.13 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa o.o You guys are nuts.
NO U!
Consider this: 5 t2 ogres do 311 dps, while 4 t2 wardens do 180 dps. This might look clear at first, but suppose they are used on a gunboat (125m¦ bay) and it takes an average time of 50 seconds to kill a BS (should be a reasonable time for a decently skilled BS). If you then also suppose that getting from a target to the next takes 25 seconds on average, the ogres do 7775 dmg total, while the wardens do 9000. And they pull ahead even farther with decreasing time to kill and/or increasing distance between targets.
Plus you _never_ lose a sentry. (I won't even begin (ohwai-) talking about the luxuriously easy use of sentries, especially with the frequent triggered respawns where you would have to haul those heavies dozens of kilometres back in EVERY TIME.)
Heavies suck for missions, although with exceptions: If your gun skills are abysmal and you take a long time to kill each BS, or there are only short-ranged npcs.
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:26:00 -
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sentries work well with ship and rig bonus, not sure otherwise as i havent really tried it. as suggested above i'd go 4 sentry, 5 light, but only if you can hit properly with whatever else you use on close range orbiting cruisers/bc/bs
imo sentries work well, cept maybe garde which have poor range, the other three types have their place in missions against specific npc, maybe garde in damsel mission. t2 variants really do work wonders but its a heavy skill train
Originally by: Elise Randolph Everybody wins when trolls get trolled.
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Weeka
Amarr Tetragrammaton
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Posted - 2008.04.13 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You guys are nuts.
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2) 4 Heavies, 5 Small Armor Maintenance bots
What on amarr are you gonne use armor maintenance bots for in a mission/complex? |
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.13 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: CmdoColin Siigari Kitawa - Small Armor Maintenance bots - I'm solo... don't think they'll rep with out me ordering them, and I can't target myself. I carry them in my group set up. I've gotta train t2 heavies... will they kill a mission webbing/scramming frigate?
It looks not obvious, but... maintenance bots is to rep Your drones. Kinda spidertank. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Kusha'an
Gallente Equinox Industrial Co.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 01:46:00 -
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One thing not mentioned - if you simply *must* use heavies, fit a drone nav computer. They'll fly faster.
Originally by: welsh wizard stupid falcon pilots uncloak all the time coz they think they need to surface for air.
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.14 02:09:00 -
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You cant rep what you can keep alive long enough to rep. If you really want to be able to rep, remote armour rep in that always available spare high slot.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Faife
Blackrain Solutions Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.14 02:48:00 -
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12 hammerhead 2s.
you're welcome.
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OneSock
Crown Industries space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:03:00 -
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T2 heavies with the right skill level combo can deal with most frigs, but it's a fine line. If the frig is moving slow and the heavy is in orbit they can have tracking issues. If the frig is moving quick enough for the heavy to follow then it will make light work of the frig.
To be on the safeside though I would go for 4 sentry and 5 light.
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Hansoloo
Nomadic Wayfarer Syndicate Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hansoloo on 14/04/2008 11:57:12 easy, if you have to use drones in the first place to do the mission then you need a new ship, higher skills, or don't belong doing that mission alone.
If and only if you need drones to do a mission there small t2's or small bots for remote help to your friends (or alts).
Simple as that, no need to make something so simple so hard.
If and only if you HAVE to use drones, use med drones, (t2 is best) they have the best mix of fire power and speed, and can kill them damn little speed fckers also.
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Damned Force
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:56:00 -
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Depends for what u want to use the drones..... If for main dps against BS class ships than use heavy's or sentries...In this case i assume u use some other weapons against the smaller ships, or u simply fit webs on ypur ship to help the drones If your ship have enough dps against battleships than use med drones...with good skills they melt everything under BS size in secs... |
Kaleidon Reth
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Posted - 2008.04.15 01:00:00 -
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I'd honestly consider going for using 5 t2 mediums with spares. Saves you a heapload of training time.
If you ain't got nothing else you'd rather train the nlisten to the other ppl who gave suggestions.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.15 02:59:00 -
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Just to clear some things up:
An Ogre II with drone sharpshooting 5 (you should have drone sharpshooting 5 if you're talking about sentry drones) will annihilate scram/web frigs. I do it all the time. They usually hit on approach and take out most of their shields and armor, then it takes one or two seconds and they knock them out completely.
The rep drones are for support for your other drones. If your drones are taking damage, rep them.
Drones are incredibly useful tools that can be used to solo complexes. Additionally, using a Dominix (if you choose to) will give you a huge drone damage bonus so your drones not only do the base but then some.
I use a solo Domi for almost everything I do. I have 10 mil sp in drones, but more than that, I can tank long enough that the drones can chew through the hostiles. Finally, good drone control skills are required for anyone using drones in PVP/PVE. You have to be able to recall/sic/command drones on a whim so you do not lose your drones.
Are your drones taking battleship fire? Get them to orbit the battleship shooting them, and quickly. The battleship rat won't be able to track your drone. Are your drones en route and you're far behind them and they're getting shot? Well, you just made the biggest mistake drone users make and that's to release and then shoot from distance, instead of waiting for full aggro or getting very close in.
Drones are awesome. Learn how to use them, and they can pop any rat.
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DaBigLebowski
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 15/04/2008 03:06:44 Just to clear some things up:
An Ogre II with drone sharpshooting 5 (you should have drone sharpshooting 5 if you're talking about sentry drones) will annihilate scram/web frigs. I do it all the time. They usually hit on approach and take out most of their shields and armor, then it takes one or two seconds and they knock them out completely.
The rep drones are for support for your other drones. If your drones are taking damage, rep them.
Drones are incredibly useful tools that can be used to solo complexes. Additionally, using a Dominix (if you choose to) will give you a huge drone damage bonus so your drones not only do the base but then some.
I use a solo Domi for almost everything I do. I have 10 mil sp in drones, but more than that, I can tank long enough that the drones can chew through the hostiles. Finally, good drone control skills are required for anyone using drones in PVP/PVE. You have to be able to recall/sic/command drones on a whim so you do not lose your drones.
Are your drones taking battleship fire? Get them to orbit the battleship shooting them, and quickly. The battleship rat won't be able to track your drone. Are your drones en route and you're far behind them and they're getting shot? Well, you just made the biggest mistake drone users make and that's to release and then shoot from distance, instead of waiting for full aggro or getting very close in.
Drones are awesome. Learn how to use them, and they can pop any rat.
Also, I'd like to add: Sentries don't suck. They're pretty awesome, and they have their place. However their place is not as the sole rack of drones (5 OR 4) in any battleship that only has a 125m3 dronebay. Reason being because though they can make short work out of long range targets, the time/damage potential and ability for heavies to actually move around is beneficial.
There are not just Ogre IIs. Praetor IIs and Berserker IIs move incredibly quick (you'd be surpised!) and make short work out of most rats.
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