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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: SPIONKOP
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground.
Oh Dear,
I now understand why we no longer see the Devs on the boards if this is what they have to put up with
No, really I'm sure the Dev's have thicker skins that to take notice of a guy who is obviously ****ed off with the game, possibly his life and has stated in another thread he is leaving and griefing CCP on the way out.
He deserves our pity.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.12 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground.
Thanks for providing a fine example of everything that's wrong with these forums.
Are you in fact a spoiled child, or do you just play one here?
Is EvE perfect? No, of course not.
Is pointless, negative whining and abuse like yours doing one tiny bit to make it better? No, of course not.
Why don't you just quit now? Biomass your character right now and go, if that's how you truly feel.
Goodbye. I hope you enjoy the next game you play more.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: northwesten on 12/04/2008 13:22:19
Originally by: Keflin Geard
Originally by: Dionisius Look around the forums dude, the gm's don't care, the dev's don't care, ccp does not care.
Hell if they cared the game would be better and the forums would be much better also.
I'll put this as nicely as I can. Please don't post again.
agreed! I like how people bash CCP but one thing i know can they do a better job? if so maybe they apply to work for CCP or STFU!
Originally by: Conrad Rock Eve players are worse than WOW players.
There you go, I said it, and CCP is very disappointed.
DIE!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Jukhta Mein
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
That applies to dev blogs, to a certain extent, and to posting on the forum, but why hasn't In Development been updated at all recently? Or the Item Database? Why is there still a Year 105 Overview when we're in 108/9 now? I don't think it's too much to expect that things be kept relatively up to date, let alone keeping us as informed as we were about new features.
I don't think being busy or being turned off by the community at large is a good explanation of the above.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Alyth most fun I ever had in eve yesterday evening.
So absolutely /signed. Thinking back to last night i feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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Florio
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 12/04/2008 13:30:28 Edited by: Florio on 12/04/2008 13:30:12
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground.
Hi Rhaegor, after considerable and careful thought I have come to the opinion that you are a tw4t.
PS: EVE has only just begun. Go go ambulation. Go go CCP.
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 12/04/2008 13:44:34
Originally by: Florio Hi Rhaegor, after considerable and careful thought I have come to the opinion that you are a tw4t.
THIS
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Originally by: Florio PS: EVE has only just begun. Go go ambulation. Go go CCP.
also THIS
And I just took almost a year out of Eve due to burnout, boredom and something else beginning with "b" (preferably something that will get me chicks ;)).
If all you got left is criticisms take a break and go and see the ****e being served up by other games companies. Then come back when you're ready to play a decent game again.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Alyth most fun I ever had in eve yesterday evening.
So absolutely /signed. Thinking back to last night i feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
oh hello! lol
Trinity Corporate Services
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.12 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Alyth most fun I ever had in eve yesterday evening.
So absolutely /signed. Thinking back to last night i feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
oh hello! lol
A fight with 200 in local, 20 carriers/moms with fighters out, hundrets of wrecks, multiple waves of enemies warping in.
And NO LAG WHATSOEVER. Modulelag barely noticable. People dying and getting back in new ships, explosions, lazors, everywhere. Complete madness. One hour of constant fighting.
I can't be angry at ccp right now, i just can't. It played just like Eve is supposed to be. So intense..and sensual..
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:01:00 -
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Well, everyone gets flamed much harder than the devs for posting like anything at all on the forums. Doesn't say i appreciate flaming devs but ultimately this is what forums are like on the internet. I don't think this should be a reason to ignore the majority of forum users that do not post inflamatory or that do not post at all. The bad thing is devs can't use forum alts to deal with all the flaming.
Plus i can hardly imagine forums have been much different at any point in time. At least not in the i dunno 2 or something years i've played this game. Maybe it was a paradise full of dev-love before that i wouldn't be able to tell. Its just i don't believe it.
I think it was tuxford who once said "they grief us because they care. i wouldn't want it any other way." or something along that lines.
Personally i don't want to see more dev posts on the forums. But i really like those "old school" posts. Tomb writing a little "essay" on why lasers are overpowered with numbers, graphs and all the stuff and how to fix it. Since i started the game nothing like that has ever been posted. Maybe players would flame less if the reasons for critical balancing changes were explained in a more detailed way than just saying "it has been changed to this and that". Just an idea...
And then there are the dev blogs (or lack of them) wich basically is a whole different matter. I remember ccp had the good idea of bringing them to us more frequently. Not sure if this is already in effect though...
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Angela Toren
Amarr Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:08:00 -
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I think what people don't realise is:
fdh = dh(s*0.12)/1000
where: s = the total number of subscription players dh = ****heads who have come from other games with their dev hating habits fdh = the proportion of these ****heads that actively flame ccp on the eve forums
Plug the numbers in and you will find the exact number of these players you will need to ban in order to have a perfect forum where devs can post without fear of flamage.
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Luh Windan
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.12 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiun Well, everyone gets flamed much harder than the devs for posting like anything at all on the forums. Doesn't say i appreciate flaming devs but ultimately this is what forums are like on the internet.
I have worked as a developer - not on games - but on big complex systems that need high up time and reliability. Just this aspect of the work is stressful and high pressure. When you have thousands of people constantly calling you and the company you work for incompetent and calling you and your co-workers idiots and asking that you be sacked (or worse) - even the thickest skinned person is going to get upset some days. I am personally impressed they read the forums at all.
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Alyth
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Alyth most fun I ever had in eve yesterday evening.
So absolutely /signed. Thinking back to last night i feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
oh hello! lol
A fight with 200 in local, 20 carriers/moms with fighters out, hundrets of wrecks, multiple waves of enemies warping in.
And NO LAG WHATSOEVER. Modulelag barely noticable. People dying and getting back in new ships, explosions, lazors, everywhere. Complete madness. One hour of constant fighting.
I can't be angry at ccp right now, i just can't. It played just like Eve is supposed to be. So intense..and sensual..
Sorry I just need to change my pants, was remembering the events of last night again. The man speaks the truth, there was no lag, no one dying before the grid loaded, no one was waking up in a clone bay after jumping in with a brand new ship and getting stuck for 10 minutes. It was awesome, can only get better tbh. I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:23:00 -
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To all the disgruntled posters :
Stuff, give. Dont let the door hit ya on the way out. |
Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: thisismyalt To all the disgruntled posters :
Stuff, give. Dont let the door hit ya on the way out.
That's not really helping is it?
There's nothing wrong with players voicing their concerns or highlighting where they think the game is weak, and could do better PROVIDED its done in a reasoned manner. Flaming someone whos got a reasonable argument about an aspect of the game is just as bad as complaining in the first instant.
What has your post done to add value? It hasnt. Its just an internet meme, one that ceased being amusing about 3 years ago.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:32:00 -
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If you go back and look at some of the threads from 2003, I'd wager that you'd find some comments almost identical to the OP.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:56:00 -
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Posting in millionth "EvE is dying" thread. What do I win?
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Slez
Caldari R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:12:00 -
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I'm not saying it's out of incompetence or laziness, could just as well be they're not allowed to, but the mods need to be able to do the job of traditional moderators and CLEAN up the forum. I usually love to keep up with discussions and seeing whats going on, on forums for the games I play, but for EVE it's basically pointless with all the crap and bull**** posted.
You can't goto COAD forum and see whats going on with other alliances because of all the trolling and bull**** posts.
Start checking accounts with IP's, setup a warning system, start throwing out the ban stick(temp) to people's game accounts that trash the forum up. -----------
Originally by: Wet Ferret If you really want to give CCP the finger you'll send your stuff to an ISK seller
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
Originally by: Wild Rho I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to.
This.
Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love.
Do I need your sympathy? No. Just offering you practical examples from my own experience. Also, posting to show that, regardless of that, we're still lurking in the shadows. Also, we have a quite well defined direction. The fact that you're not the deciding factor in said direction does not mean we don't have any.
Well, I dont know.
When I come to the forums and voice my opinion I expect to be flamed by some. That's normal. Devs should not expect special treatment.
Besides that, EVE has a lot of hardcore fans who will defend the game - and with that the work of the developers - vehemently.
My personal opinion is that if I do not like something, I say it. And I do not pack my criticism in a bed of roses, but say it plain out. If the devs think that they should be treated especially nice - well, I disagree. Same treatment for all from me. No crawling up someones behind because of their position, thats simply not my style.
EVE is a generally very nice game, but there is some issues with it that need to be adressed. A discussion with the players is the way to go when it comes to make game development decisions. Of course the devs are the ones making the final decision, but they need to keep in mind that there is quite a few players in EVE that have more experience with the game than they have. So listening to the players, even if it might not be cozy from time to time, is a good idea.
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Aero089
Exiled.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:22:00 -
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I agree. No really, I do. I loved reading hints about things to happen, and appropriate responses to serious questions and debates, those hardly occur anymore.
But if there's one thing that really ****es me off; that'd be when people keep whining about how CCP should fix the bugs before releasing the Trinity graphics.
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When will people realize that:
1.) There's only so many people that can work on the same project before they start getting in each other's way or become too reliable on each other. You can't divert all of CCP's attention to one thing, which is also because of...
2.) Creative artists are no programmers. They know their field of expertise, not why it is possible to light a cyno within a POS, not why bananas are curved and tomatoes are red. Although they could debate on whether tomatoes should be Gallente-baby blue.
Ambulation is a different project, DX10 is a different project, API is a different project... each project has its own team assigned to it. ---
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codex09
Minmatar Entropy Systems Mining Co. Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: codex09 on 12/04/2008 17:44:37 I can only wonder what it is that people are always looking for in blogs of direction, I mean CCP has already told everyone what they are intending on doing over the next xx amount of months or years.
How many different ways is there to tell the same story? I am also sure that if they started giving conflicting directions for the future people would start questioning why that is happening and as I said above they have already given everyone an overview of what they have planned.
As for how they are attacked, personally I don't blame them for posting less. As a mod on a forum for another MMO whenever the players on there start with the attacks I just wonder why I even bother trying & as a software developer I can't think of anything I would rather be doing than getting the work I do attacked by some people who really don't understand what it is like to work on a piece of software that means so much to me.
That is however not to say I/they don't keep an eye on what is being said etc on the forums for all we all know they go through the forums for a laugh or an idea or whatever every day. I know I do even when I don't feel like writing anything.
Anyway I am sure even if/when EVE starts to wind down it is going to take a whole lot of time before the servers finally get shut down for the last time, unless something really drastic happens and I doubt that will happen over night anyway.
As for the content of the website etc being kept up to date yes I must agree that it would be nice if things were not out of date and no being busy isn't a very good excuse for it being out of date seeing as it is really still a part of the game.
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CCP Prism X
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 17:46:32
Originally by: Soulita
When I come to the forums and voice my opinion I expect to be flamed by some. That's normal. Devs should not expect special treatment.
I agree 100%.
Believe me when I say that I belief my Forum-Fu to outrank most of the pitiful attempts at flaming that go on here. In cases when it doesn't: Well played, sir.
But if I'd let lose my inner Forum Warrior I'd lose any air of professionalism I have claim to. I'd also create a ****fest every topic I replied to because of the inevitable flames I'd have to defend myself against. That in turn would make a nightmare for our Community Managers. I'm already causing them headaches as any topic I reply to automatically attracts trolls and flamers as is being discussed here. I have no reason to create animosity between neither me and my coworkers nor our customers. So I stick to funnies and weak innuendo. Of course I cannot demand you do the same, these are forums after all. But the fact that I cannot meet you balls and chains with a good conscience might help explaining why I'd rather chose not to reply at all. No? ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006 |
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CCP Atropos
C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.12 17:49:00 -
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Haha, you should see the way CCP Prism X deals with us on the internal mailing lists.
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SPIONKOP
Caldari Imperial Technology
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 17:46:32
Originally by: Soulita
When I come to the forums and voice my opinion I expect to be flamed by some. That's normal. Devs should not expect special treatment.
I agree 100%.
Believe me when I say that I belief my Forum-Fu to outrank most of the pitiful attempts at flaming that go on here. In cases when it doesn't: Well played, sir.
But if I'd let lose my inner Forum Warrior I'd lose any air of professionalism I have claim to. I'd also create a ****fest every topic I replied to because of the inevitable flames I'd have to defend myself against. That in turn would make a nightmare for our Community Managers. I'm already causing them headaches as any topic I reply to automatically attracts trolls and flamers as is being discussed here. I have no reason to create animosity between neither me and my coworkers nor our customers. So I stick to funnies and weak innuendo. Of course I cannot demand you do the same, these are forums after all. But the fact that I cannot meet you balls and chains with a good conscience might help explaining why I'd rather chose not to reply at all. No?
I guess your in a no win situation
Maybe its time to rethink how the dev's communicate with the player base.
A healthy debate on any game issue, content, performance, bugs etc has got to be a good thing. People have differnt opinions and one mans nerf is another mans boost. Being angry is OK, some changes have ****ed me off and I have said so on the boards.
Being "rude" to another member of the community be them a dev or a player seems to be on the increase. I now have a better understanding of why there are been fewer dev posts, its sad but can't say I blame them anymore.
--------------------------------------------- Space For Rent.
100mil ISK/Week.
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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:15:00 -
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no matter what stupid drivel comes from my mouth, ccp you have made one of the best mmos in the universe! long may it prosper
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banannagirl
Minmatar The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: banannagirl on 12/04/2008 18:21:38 Im going to enjoy telling them to get stuffed when they apply for a position on my forum ...!
regards BG
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 12/04/2008 17:46:32
Originally by: Soulita
When I come to the forums and voice my opinion I expect to be flamed by some. That's normal. Devs should not expect special treatment.
I agree 100%.
Believe me when I say that I belief my Forum-Fu to outrank most of the pitiful attempts at flaming that go on here. In cases when it doesn't: Well played, sir.
But if I'd let lose my inner Forum Warrior I'd lose any air of professionalism I have claim to. I'd also create a ****fest every topic I replied to because of the inevitable flames I'd have to defend myself against. That in turn would make a nightmare for our Community Managers. I'm already causing them headaches as any topic I reply to automatically attracts trolls and flamers as is being discussed here. I have no reason to create animosity between neither me and my coworkers nor our customers. So I stick to funnies and weak innuendo. Of course I cannot demand you do the same, these are forums after all. But the fact that I cannot meet you balls and chains with a good conscience might help explaining why I'd rather chose not to reply at all. No?
Hmm, I'd argue that since you're posting as part of your job, the position is slightly different.
Additionally, If I get too "discontent" with the forum to post, well, all the forum loses is my opinion. The loss is rather greater if the devs stop posting. Likewise all I have done for EvE is pay CCP a couple of hundred quid and introduced four or five friends to the game; all the EvE community "owes" me respect for is increasing CCPs profts is tiny amount. The same is most definitely not true of you guys. It's your creation and your forum, and in a sense we are your guests and you should be entitled to a certain level of respect over just some guy who plays.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sniper Wolf18 on 12/04/2008 18:50:36
Originally by: SPIONKOP I am a tad concerned with CCP at the moment.
Kieron has left CCP. Dev blogs few and far between and what Dev Blogs there have been this year are lacking any form of Dev content. The devs seem to be less willing to post on the boards that they used to.
Some months ago I asked for a road map giving some indication of what was likly to happen this year in the world of Eve. Nothing.
All we have had this year is a boost patch that didn't boost much and a few bug fixes and the CSM project that many find a waste of time and effort. Is this linked to Kieron moving on?
Have CCP hit a creative brick wall? Is the weak dollar and sub prime chaos limiting available investment into the game. Has the whitewolf merger backfired. Are CCP diverting resources (our subs) into other projects? Are we still paying for the EVE-CHINA experiment. Is there a shortage of coffee and pizza in Iceland?
Lots of question I know, but will CCP care to enlighten us as to their future plans, specifically the future of Eve. I remember when I played Earth & Beyond, the devs went silent and many moved on and a few months later, thanks to EA, the game was dead.
God forbid the same will happen to CCP & Eve. Maybe its time to change my sub period from 6 months to 3 months?
You have every right to be concerned! CCP have became cheap as of late
They fired all the devs and replaced them with monkeys and ate all the hamsters and replaced them with your cheap, average, garden variety gerbils
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.12 18:54:00 -
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I knoe how you fell Prisim X. Kind of teh carp but ignore all of tehm. Alway me be your freind. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X But if I'd let lose my inner Forum Warrior I'd lose any air of professionalism I have claim to.
Actually , I'm thinking it might be more a solution than a problem. Lots of people are going to disagree , of course.
Doesn't your game revolve around conflict ? What other community views cynism and brutality as virtues. What do you have to lose ? People have been sending death threats over nerfs already. It can't get much worse.
This forum seems too large to allow for smooth moderation. The lack of consequences or punishment makes the average troll bolder and random people more tempted to flame.
It might be the time to address communication issues with the player base , Eve style. It's your game , your private forum , not meant to be a democracy. The CSM election shows you are not afraid to discuss issues rationally , no need to run for justifications - forum account owners paid for the game , not for the right to flame you or push their agenda publicly.
A good number of the more jaded members (myself included ?) would be inspired by devs openly discussing and defending their idea of the game. Isolation can cause bitterness on both sides - concerned players who feel their opinions are not listened to (hard to know most of the time) and devs who have to endure unwarranted flames and are not allowed to retaliate. I think open confrontation would alleviate those frustrations
You devs have proved times and times again that you were a friendly bunch , with a sense of humor and sharp wit. It is sad to see you bitter and losing members in such a fashion. Stop being afraid to use your powers - if you state your intents you will find a greater number of fans taking your defense , if some individuals prove to be annoying there is the option to smack them down - or moderate posts if you don't have the time. So many idiots whining about their wallets being nuked because they bought ISK - this kind of things go against the very spirit of Eve. Start taking your forum enemies' stuff to set a new standard
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