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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:37:00 -
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People sure have some strong feelings about $->Isk issues. Quite a few epic sized threads about it. I'm not going to argue the points of it here, I don't like RMT anymore than anyone else. I do have different opinions about GTC trades, but that's for other threads.
Character trades are likely one of the top motivators for buying isk. All you have to do is pop on over to the Timecode Bazaar and check out some older threads, then check the post history of the GTC sellers. Quite a few are using their bought funds to pick up a new character.
Makes sense considering how much time it takes to get to where you want to be in eve. If little Johnny wants to be a carrier pilot, it's a long road ahead, right? Well, no it isn't thanks to $->Isk->character. \o/
So buying characters for isk isn't bad, you say? Just buying isk is?
Ok, but wouldn't the $->Isk trade suffer a pretty big decrease if character trades weren't possible?
- And as a semi-interesting side topic; Do you think Eve needs character trading to survive when considering player turn over rate compared to time to skill up to capital ships?
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:39:00 -
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Too soon, too soon. Wait for the nerd-rage to quell on GTC trading.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:56:00 -
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The problem with CCP allowing GTC -> ISK is that the people who are doing that are the people who would not do RMT anyways...
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:44:00 -
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Oh, people get bent over character trading. Most of them are also bent over GTC trades, and spending their fury over there right now.
And remember, a noob with a Dread is still a noob. For proof, I need only mention the name 'Scius'. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:56:00 -
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I warmly support character trading. It is beneficial to all concerned; including CCP, who get a direct revenue payment for every transfer.
It's another example of CCP's progressive attitude to their game. Everything is for sale in Eve, so everything has value. Even when you're bored with your character, it still has value to YOU the player. No need to "re-roll" just let the market decide how much the old you is worth and buy a new you.
That's streets ahead of the options provided by other games and entirely befits Eve's 'ultra-capitalist' approach.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:57:00 -
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Because they make easy and juicy targets
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:03:00 -
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It's because character sales do not endanger the RMT market, if anything it benefits it. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:08:00 -
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We could always shut down Eve Online entirely. Then no one would buy isk. ---
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Neslo
Gallente No Angels Here
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus We could always shut down Eve Online entirely. Then no one would buy isk.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 13/04/2008 21:11:12
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds I warmly support character trading. It is beneficial to all concerned; including CCP, who get a direct revenue payment for every transfer.
It's another example of CCP's progressive attitude to their game. Everything is for sale in Eve, so everything has value. Even when you're bored with your character, it still has value to YOU the player. No need to "re-roll" just let the market decide how much the old you is worth and buy a new you.
That's streets ahead of the options provided by other games and entirely befits Eve's 'ultra-capitalist' approach.
BS it is.. your telling me you respect a gammer who dont put there time in and eran there guy. you should not beable too buy a character unless you already have been a member of eve for at least two years. that way at lest you put your time in somwhat in eve.
ccp is losing isk by this i would think in the long run becouse i would get board if i could start from the top sooner rather then finnich at the top. in other words i could do anything i wonted too do with in a year or so rather then pay too wait for my big chance too do what the highend players can do. i dont mined highend players buying characters as they have worked there own but no noob should have one.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar It's because character sales do not endanger the RMT market, if anything it benefits it.
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That was pretty much my point.
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Chinger
Caldari Mentis Fidelis R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus We could always shut down Eve Online entirely. Then no one would buy isk.
There would also be no lag, and no jita. By god, this man is onto something.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus We could always shut down Eve Online entirely. Then no one would buy isk.
Egads man! That just might be crazy enough to work!
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War Games
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Chinger
Originally by: cal nereus We could always shut down Eve Online entirely. Then no one would buy isk.
There would also be no lag, and no jita. By god, this man is onto something.
People could like.... go outside :-\ hrm... Eve-Offline: Life Rebooted hehe (goes back to my computer screen) What Gaming Dev's really think of you! |
Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis And remember, a noob with a Dread is still a noob. For proof, I need only mention the name 'Scius'.
^^ In fact, given this perspective, character trading is a good thing, since it means more valuable ships get blown up, which makes the economy thrive...
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jurgen Cartis And remember, a noob with a Dread is still a noob. For proof, I need only mention the name 'Scius'.
^^ In fact, given this perspective, character trading is a good thing, since it means more valuable ships get blown up, which makes the economy thrive...
i see your point but then they can just buy isk and get another one as where i would take the loss on the chin and be hert bad buy it..
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Niccolo Duku
Caldari Sabotage Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:30:00 -
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Buying a character isn't bad, as long as you're not buying the character just for "street credit". Taking some isk and buying a character older than yours, with some decent work history behind it, then trying to take credit for that player's (not character's, player's) work is just.... lame. Too often, you have people taking credit for corps and time they never had anything to do with.
My research/hauler alt is a character I bought with extra isk I had. I had nothing to do with the isk, no corp to invest it in, and was tired of combat, so decided to try research. I do not, however, take credit for that character's actions prior to my owning him. He has a long and checkered past, riddled with alliances and 0.0 warfare (I'm a lowsec baby). When someone asks, which is rare since I hardly ever use the character, I freely tell them I bought it as a research alt because I was too lazy to invest time into making my own. They have a problem with it? Tough.
Buying and selling characters is a great way to respec and try something new to see if you like it. For 20 bucks (and the proper isk) you can try out speed tanking, maybe see what all the fuss about blaster damage is all about, try mining without starting over in an osprey.... all without wasting precious months of training just to find out you really didn't like it. My handy-dandy hauler alt is now my ticket to doing exploration, so it opened a new door for me in Eve, and probably kept me in the game. I enjoy exploration, and now with a combat-spec and industry/exploration spec character, I'm having more fun than I have in a long time.
So yeah, buying a character has it's drawbacks, and people are going to hate the ones that buy a combat character, try and take credit for work they didn't do, and get their arse handed to them. I hate those characters too. But being able to buy a character has it's perks, and really opens eve up to try things new without making a killer time investment. It's like anything else, wonderful when used properly, but you can count on a couple of complete %^&*heads messing it up for everyone.
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 13/04/2008 21:42:15
Originally by: Niccolo Duku Buying a character isn't bad, as long as you're not buying the character just for "street credit". Taking some isk and buying a character older than yours, with some decent work history behind it, then trying to take credit for that player's (not character's, player's) work is just.... lame. Too often, you have people taking credit for corps and time they never had anything to do with.
My research/hauler alt is a character I bought with extra isk I had. I had nothing to do with the isk, no corp to invest it in, and was tired of combat, so decided to try research. I do not, however, take credit for that character's actions prior to my owning him. He has a long and checkered past, riddled with alliances and 0.0 warfare (I'm a lowsec baby). When someone asks, which is rare since I hardly ever use the character, I freely tell them I bought it as a research alt because I was too lazy to invest time into making my own. They have a problem with it? Tough.
Buying and selling characters is a great way to respec and try something new to see if you like it. For 20 bucks (and the proper isk) you can try out speed tanking, maybe see what all the fuss about blaster damage is all about, try mining without starting over in an osprey.... all without wasting precious months of training just to find out you really didn't like it. My handy-dandy hauler alt is now my ticket to doing exploration, so it opened a new door for me in Eve, and probably kept me in the game. I enjoy exploration, and now with a combat-spec and industry/exploration spec character, I'm having more fun than I have in a long time.
So yeah, buying a character has it's drawbacks, and people are going to hate the ones that buy a combat character, try and take credit for work they didn't do, and get their arse handed to them. I hate those characters too. But being able to buy a character has it's perks, and really opens eve up to try things new without making a killer time investment. It's like anything else, wonderful when used properly, but you can count on a couple of complete %^&*heads messing it up for everyone.
ok good enough then i get your point but it still dont make it right do that. i might not be so against it if ccp would lable these characters as trenferd characters so i as a real character played out in eve can know what i am up against. i will not fight any Character weaker or not who was paid for. i wont give him the time of day. i wont too know who is who.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.13 23:04:00 -
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Regardless if it is ISK or characters the question is, sould someone gain an advantage within the constraints of the game by using their advantage of real wealth external to the game - and should this be condoned?
The issue, which effects all MMOs, is that it is nigh on impossible to prevent the transfer of either an in game currency, or a character, by players through external 3rd party sites such as E-Bay or others.
Seeing as its not possible to prevent players seeking to gain such an advantage CCP have a choice. Leave such trade to an uncontrolled, unquantified 'black market' of 3rd party vendors, or, attempt to bring the process at least partially within their oversight.
All things considered I prefer the later.
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