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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Are you confusing it with Micro transactions? For which there a valid methods CCP promote for payment methods for Aurum, namely plex. Actually, no. Issler believes that RMT should be allowed because it creates jobs for farmers or whatever (lol) oh and doing anything in a game for "tears" is invariably indicative of a deeper problem in the individual, you can trust her because she minored in "mental health"
Nice ad hominem through implicit (though none-too-subtle: Your ilk just doesn't do subtlety at all well, does it?) false-equivalence, bru.
L2argue.
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I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:25:00 -
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Andski wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:4. I believe Eve has had RMT supported by CCP in at least one form for some time now with Plexes. That's irrelevant because it's a one-way deal - you buy gametime, sell it to other players for ISK. There's no sanctioned way to liquidate in-game assets for real money, and there should not be - it's bad for business. If a new player wants to drop $2000 on this game to skip months/years of grinding, they might as well pay it to CCP instead of a third party.
Again where is Issler saying anything in connection with a third party.
She is specifically refering to offical CCP sanctioned RMT with the purchace of Plex hence the words "supported by CCP".
Suggest not twisting the english language, and as was pointed out above learn to debate. More importantly learn to apologise when you accuse someone without proof and the position is then clarified. |
Midori Amiiko
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:47:00 -
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"The vast majority of Eve players want nothing to do with a bunch of mouthbreather console kiddies..." Ladie (Sca)Harlot
I would expand that thought to include Goons. Yet here we are, faced with you.
If CCP markets the idea of neckbeard tears to the console kiddies, they'll line up like crows on a clothesline to get a sip.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2238
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:31:00 -
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sorry, I don't engage in exchanges with forum alts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:01:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Nice ad hominem through implicit (though none-too-subtle: Your ilk just doesn't do subtlety at all well, does it?) false-equivalence, bru.
L2argue.
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Aww...somebody read the Wikipedia article about rhetoric. :shobon:
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1697
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Posted - 2012.02.29 03:03:00 -
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Midori Amiiko wrote:"The vast majority of Eve players want nothing to do with a bunch of mouthbreather console kiddies..." Ladie (Sca)Harlot
I would expand that thought to include Goons. Yet here we are, faced with you.
If CCP markets the idea of neckbeard tears to the console kiddies, they'll line up like crows on a clothesline to get a sip.
There's a "Quote" button that does all the quoting for you. No need to copy and paste and type quotation marks.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:14:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Andski wrote:only dumb roleplayers who support RMT care about ambulation you mean goons and other null blocks that do RMT PS. every thread that dosnt support mittani as (self-proclaime chaiman for life) will be trolled by his minions ahahahah this guy role plays battered goon spouse and has a biography on eve-wiki about it.
wis or ambulation a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
hey why you use ambulation does it sound less lispy? wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Mike Azariah
Gallente Benevolence Association Greater Realms
189
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Posted - 2012.03.01 03:40:00 -
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A team of 5 sent to work on avatars . . . ok
An entire cycle dedicated to giving us a room and a couch? Not so good.
I think it would be useful as an interface mechanism between the Harlot decried soon to be dead Dust and ourselves. Might give Dust some longevity if the interface is smooth enough.
I am wondering if those against it think the code should be removed to make a leaner meaner Eve or left there to atrophy/wither. Use it or lose it.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
780
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:39:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: A reasonable post worthy of a response, thanks for that.
Everyone that wasn't interested in ambulation likes to think all of Eve was happy that CCP stopped ambulation development. What people we happy about was that CCP finally stopped using Eve as the revenue source for focus on other games and started putting dev effort back on Eve.
What makes you think that CCP can't do both at the same time? The fact that Incarna was such a faceplant was because all the focus of CCP was on WoD and Dust, not because they couldn't do ambulation and space content at the same time.
The future of Eve and the way to get Eve out of "niche" game status will depend on ambulation.
So we'll have to agree to disagree I suspect.
Issler
Yes, but the path of history suggests that we were right to be skeptical of CCP's ability to accomplish both tasks. You are making one big unfortunate assumption in your post here that Eve employees were split between the space game and the WoD/dust/WiS game. The Eve people worked on both WiS and FiS and the WoD crew was a separate group based out of Atlanta and has been severely stripped down due to the reorg. Also one thing that needs to be considered is their personnel were not watered down due to Dust, Dust is almost completely outsourced with only the link between Dust and Eve being done in house.
My point to you is that CCP already had their Eve crew split between WiS and FiS and we saw the result. Eve dudes weren't farmed out to work on other stuff, they just didn't have the manpower to produce an effective product that split their attention in such a manner. Now they are bringing a lot of people who had worked on other projects to focus on the core product again and THIS IS A GOOD THING, but don't for a minute suggest that this means they can just pivot and pump out both concepts at a high level, this would be a dangerous guess on your part.
Now WiS isn't going anywhere, it's there and it'll be worked on and improved. The debate as I see it is if you are in favor of FiS resources being shifted to make that improvement happen quicker or not. After the last expansion we saw what happens when they focus all their attention on the game we play now and the results were very encouraging. I'd prefer CSM candidates continue to encourage them to go down this road and make the space ship game better before they spend any time giving my guy a space espresso machine to go with his space sofa in his isolated space room. |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
346
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Posted - 2012.03.01 11:48:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN THESE IS VER UNUSE QEUSTIONS.
ALSO IN MINE OPINONS THER IS REALY NO NEED FUR AMBULANCE IN EVE. ALSO MAYBE MAKIGN LOGI HAFIGN THIS ROLE, LIEK 1000% BONUS TO CARGO TO HOLDIGN 2 POD LIKE AMBULANCE.
BUT ALSO I AM THINKIGN THIS RELY NOT FITTIGN MIT EVE FUR ME.
KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN. MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
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Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:02:00 -
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Ambulation has tons of potential & needs to happen. CCP simply needs to release the product with some actual content, rather than simply playing with (and showing off) dolls.
I want WiS, but it shouldn't even be in our sights until it's got some actual framework and nears completion. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1025
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:50:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: A reasonable post worthy of a response, thanks for that.
Everyone that wasn't interested in ambulation likes to think all of Eve was happy that CCP stopped ambulation development. What people we happy about was that CCP finally stopped using Eve as the revenue source for focus on other games and started putting dev effort back on Eve.
What makes you think that CCP can't do both at the same time? The fact that Incarna was such a faceplant was because all the focus of CCP was on WoD and Dust, not because they couldn't do ambulation and space content at the same time.
The future of Eve and the way to get Eve out of "niche" game status will depend on ambulation.
So we'll have to agree to disagree I suspect.
Issler
Yes, but the path of history suggests that we were right to be skeptical of CCP's ability to accomplish both tasks. You are making one big unfortunate assumption in your post here that Eve employees were split between the space game and the WoD/dust/WiS game. The Eve people worked on both WiS and FiS and the WoD crew was a separate group based out of Atlanta and has been severely stripped down due to the reorg. Also one thing that needs to be considered is their personnel were not watered down due to Dust, Dust is almost completely outsourced with only the link between Dust and Eve being done in house. My point to you is that CCP already had their Eve crew split between WiS and FiS and we saw the result. Eve dudes weren't farmed out to work on other stuff, they just didn't have the manpower to produce an effective product that split their attention in such a manner. Now they are bringing a lot of people who had worked on other projects to focus on the core product again and THIS IS A GOOD THING, but don't for a minute suggest that this means they can just pivot and pump out both concepts at a high level, this would be a dangerous guess on your part. Now WiS isn't going anywhere, it's there and it'll be worked on and improved. The debate as I see it is if you are in favor of FiS resources being shifted to make that improvement happen quicker or not. After the last expansion we saw what happens when they focus all their attention on the game we play now and the results were very encouraging. I'd prefer CSM candidates continue to encourage them to go down this road and make the space ship game better before they spend any time giving my guy a space espresso machine to go with his space sofa in his isolated space room.
Thanks for a reasoned response. I do feel being skeptical of what CCP can deliver is the smart position. I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.
I never have advocated a dramatic reduction of focus on FiS for WiS. I just want to make sure someone is the little voice in their head that won't let them get away with abandoning ambulation for another 5 years.
Thanks for responding,
Issler
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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
26
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:04:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Still waiting for someone actually running for CSM 7 to respond to this and the miners thread.
Issler None of the serious candidates care about mining.
When will Ladie Harlot be appearing at the Hammersmith Apollo with Michael McIntyre & John Bishop?
On a more 'serious' note I expect you are correct in saying that none of the 'serious' candidates care about mining. If 'caring' about mining means ruining mining like PI has been ruined then I hope you all continue to not care about mining. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
786
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:16:00 -
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Actually mining is a real problem and this csm is going to be in an amazing position to influence it. We all know mining is a boring mechanism, it's soul crushing but it at least is worth doing ...
says Vile rat circa 2006. Mining is a major mechanism in the game and has sat on its ass forever. The drone regions crushed the high ends, highsec mission drops destroyed the mids and macro botting sucked the lows out from underneath us. Mining has been identified as a definite area for improvement so I'd pay close attention to candidates who display a real understanding of the mechanics and positive ideas for modest improvement.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1286
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:25:00 -
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Celgar Thurn wrote:On a more 'serious' note I expect you are correct in saying that none of the 'serious' candidates care about mining. If 'caring' about mining means ruining mining like PI has been ruined then I hope you all continue to not care about mining.
More than a few of us current and past CSM's have raised mining and industry as needing a massive re-work. It's something I plan to push hard for and there's potential for a lot of change to take place in the next year. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1026
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:56:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Celgar Thurn wrote:On a more 'serious' note I expect you are correct in saying that none of the 'serious' candidates care about mining. If 'caring' about mining means ruining mining like PI has been ruined then I hope you all continue to not care about mining. More than a few of us current and past CSM's have raised mining and industry as needing a massive re-work. It's something I plan to push hard for and there's potential for a lot of change to take place in the next year.
So let me begin by saying you have done a great job and are one of the few CSM 6 I support for reelection.
But where was the call for mining improvements in your current candidate conversations (or previous CSM related communications)?
If I had seen someone in the current list of candidates that convinced me they were dedicated to making mining better, not only by the isk metric but by the challenge/fun metric I doubt I'd be running.
What a lot of folks likely fail to understand is you have to really love Eve to commit to the CSM. You have a large time commitment for a year and the trips to Iceland are not a vacation. The travel there can be grueling and you are heads down working most of the time there (OK, Nonnis almost makes it worthwhile! ).
I've committed to the CSM because Eve has been a major part of my and some close RL friend's lives for the last 8 years and I don't see that changing. What I want to change, however, is my favorite activity in Eve, mining has been neglected for too long and I think being in the CSM again could help change that.
To some of the new CSM candidates I'd offer this, if someone just wants a "bathed in Eve" Iceland experience, use the time you would have to spend in the CSM making RL $ and go to the fanfest. That is a quality Eve/Iceland vacation!
So Seelene promise no matter how this ends up working out for me that you will commit to helping the miners of Eve and not just isks but the challenges and the fun because I'm all but certain you'll be a part of the CSM 7.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:44:00 -
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i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. Darius III > Thanks man Darius III > that concludes our business Darius III > Fly safe asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture Darius III > Have them vote against me Darius III > Sorry for the ssam Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons Darius III > not really Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter Darius III > nothing can stop them Darius III > and thats a real shame asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243 Darius III > Didnt have them anyway Darius III > didnt lose anything Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get asidburn Enaka > too late asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv asidburn Enaka > so i can post Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it Darius III > You too lazy anyway Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for the |
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