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Kingwood
Amarr The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:50:00 -
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Can I have an acknowledgement from one of the devs that they know this thread exists?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621219
I'd quite like it if the devs were to interact with the community regarding these ships and how to fix them. Entering a discussion with the player base who flies these would alleviate concerns about developers neglecting these, and hopefully end up with a *good and sensible* fix as soon as possible which most of the players can agree on.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:07:00 -
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I agree with the OP. The discussion amongst the player base regarding the Amarr recons has probably gone as far as it can without some form of Dev input.
C.
New Scanner Idea!
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jaketh Ivanes on 15/04/2008 12:16:55 Problem is, 90% of the players posting would just flame, blame and accuse any dev who would post anything about any changes. That would not constitute a discussion. Besides, the dev's should not discuss with the playerbase, but inform us what decisions they have taken. We can and should conduct any discussions about any changes and the devs can look and get inspiration, as I believe they do already.
If the majority of the posting community ever becomes calm and broadminded enough, a sober discussion could occur between the players and the devs. But until this miracle happens it should remain as is. We discuss, they inform.
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Kingwood
Amarr The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:34:00 -
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If not a discussion, at least something along the lines of: "We know that Amarr recons are broken, we are working on a buff, which will allow both of the Amarr recons to function like before the NOS nerf."
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khalima
Gallente Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kingwood If not a discussion, at least something along the lines of: "We know that Amarr recons are broken, we are working on a buff, which will allow both of the Amarr recons to function like before the NOS nerf."
CCP has said they are still looking at Amarr buffs. Of course with the last buff (which was mostly a nerf to everyone including Amarr save finally making the Apoc good) I doubt CCP will get around to anything else in this regard for months. Certainly if history is any guide. With Faction Warfare coming in June I doubt it will happen before that. Then their "wait-and-see" approach and dealing with the myriad issues that will entail. Then they will be well on their way to the December content addition (guessing Ambulation), then deal with those issues. At a guess I figure CCP *might* get around to looking at Amarr in some underwhelming way maybe around February 2009 if we are lucky.
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Conrad Rock
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.15 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Conrad Rock on 15/04/2008 17:45:19
Are you kidding me? The trouble with amarr recons is you need a very good player piloting them.
It's not the Ishtar or Vagabond anyone can hope into.
I'v seen a Curse take on a domi, 2 lachesis, 1 huginn, and it killed all three recons an then retreated.
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Kingwood
Amarr The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 19:01:00 -
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I saw an Ibis take out 3 Geddons, a Carrier and a Titan all by itself yesterday.
Just read the thread I linked, you can discuss there. All I want to achieve with this is a dev response.
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hundurinn
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.04.16 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: hundurinn on 16/04/2008 00:03:11 CCP and the Devs know about that thread. Just because they don't respond to it doesn't meant they don't read it. These days when a dev posts anything it turns into a flame and personal attacks.
Besides, I see nothing wrong with the Amarr Recons, I've been flying a curse for 2 months now, nothing wrong with it.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.16 01:04:00 -
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Why do they have to post in every thread saying "Ok guys, I read your thread -CCP"
I read that thread and it is terrible and requires no Dev response. Instead of asking for your solo owning machine back, why not discuss exactly what is so broken and why it needs fixing. I fly the Curse and it is far more deadly with neuts than nos. It can't tank/damp while ewaring anymore, but what other recon can? Pilgrim needs help but no one seems to care about that ship for some reason.
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Lord Fitz
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 01:49:00 -
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I think people that fly Amarr recons need to fly the other recons before they say that the only one able to solo much larger ships, and kill them, is broken. Any boost to their nos/neuting capability would need to be met with a reduction in DPS (it carries 5 med drones with a damage bonus + spares !) look at the other races recons (no drone bay at all on the caldari ones), 40m3 no spares no bonus on the Minmatar ones. The others simply don't do any DPS. The Pilgrim warps cloaked and unleashes the most DPS of any ship that can do so.
Their couple of shortfalls are all that stops them from being overpowered. I already fly 2 other races of recons and I'm training to fly Amarr ones too.
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Kingwood
Amarr The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.16 10:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kingwood on 16/04/2008 10:59:27 Amarr recons lost their versatility, along with a mid-slot. With Recon 4? I know what your low slot setup is gonna be, and mids and highs I can guess on whether I see you in 0.0 or low sec. Same with Recon 5.
I tried a double MAR II setup supported by a Cap Booster and NOS (oh god), because I wanted to be different. EFT told me it might be possible, in reality this was the worst setup I could've come up with. So I reverted back to the standard Recon 4 setup and am waiting for Recon 5 to finish.
The curse you guys are so fond of? 2 overdrives and a nanostab. Then you guys seem to forget about the incoming nano nerf.
I don't want to argue here, Hydrogen had a lot of good points in his thread. Read it first, please.
Edit: Give me back my NOS, so I can free up my mid-slot and cargo bay from the damn Cap booster and booster charges. Thanks.
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Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.04.16 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit Why do they have to post in every thread saying "Ok guys, I read your thread -CCP"
They could do that, but in order to maintain civility they would have to lock the thread immediately afterwards. ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
Julius Romanus
Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.16 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz I think people that fly Amarr recons need to fly the other recons before they say that the only one able to solo much larger ships, and kill them, is broken. Any boost to their nos/neuting capability would need to be met with a reduction in DPS (it carries 5 med drones with a damage bonus + spares !) look at the other races recons (no drone bay at all on the caldari ones), 40m3 no spares no bonus on the Minmatar ones. The others simply don't do any DPS. The Pilgrim warps cloaked and unleashes the most DPS of any ship that can do so.
Their couple of shortfalls are all that stops them from being overpowered. I already fly 2 other races of recons and I'm training to fly Amarr ones too.
gal/amarr/min recons all do roughly the same dps. only caldari do sub 200. |
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