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Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:25:00 - [1] This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz?
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/04/2008 14:33:00 So you want a game to restrict playtime of your son. Doesn't he have parents? I understand you'll get in arguments with him trying to do so, but trying to get CCP to do it for you doesn't make a lot of sense. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:35:00 - [3] Well we can restrict his PC time at home, but then he'll just go out to a friends house or an internetcafe and play there and then while I'm playing i'll see 'Sith Bandon' pop up in my buddys list all of a sudden.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:37:00 - [4] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 15/04/2008 14:38:28 With the greatest of respect, I would say that I believe society (and in this case, the EVE community/devs) should not be responsible for this sort of thing. It comes down to parenting and it can't really be dodged. Look at it this way, hypothetically. If later in life your son has any real-life problem with something (god forbid), there are no devs to ask to control his behaviour. The two of you would have to work that out. Better to instil some discipline in him, or better yet help him find some self-discipline. It's a shame, as EVE requires great skill and thought done properly, so in that sense he's clearly capable. I'm not sure I'm qualified to give any real advice, but I would say that my parents had a quick and simple solution for too much gaming, namely turning the computer off and telling me to go do my homework Perhaps the most effective method is to base his account payments to EVE on school results? It does beg the question of where the complexity of EVE becomes too much like a job... Edit: (Joking) If all else fails, I suppose you could hire some mercs to pod him every time he's in EVE outside agreed hours ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
Da'iel Zehn Suune Core Operations	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:40:00 - [5] oh, parenting. The most difficult job in the world. If you setup a home domain server you could restrict his account to only certain hours. If he violates those hours ground him completely. Maybe CCP could just link children accounts to their parents, then they could restrict them using the website account details. Would be easy to do I think. That way he couldn't play anywhere outside of designated times. Yeah its easy for people to say: "doesn't he have parents?" Yeah, ok... sure... its so easy to parent. Though one way you might get him off Eve is to spend time with him and take him out and do activiites together. Sounds like you want to restrict him while your still playing. -- DZ's website
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:51:00 - [6] Interseting subject. I think there has been a number of studies that show that increased usage of computer technology (be it consoles or MMORPG's) has an adverse affect on a childs social development. However I do not think it should be CCP's responsibility to monitor and control how long an individual plays EVE. Especially as you need to have a bank account to create an account. Though I would like to see some basic parental controls put in place. Having said that, if he is simply using a Cybercafe or a friends computer it maybe harder to control. If he was my son, I would withdraw the use of his account until his school results improved....or at the very least threaten such an action, you control the bank account remember :p Kro
Fortuna Cournot Caldari Special Unit Omega Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:54:00 - [7] This is part of the Windows Vista Operating System. It shouldn't be part of a game design. In Windows Vista it is possible to setup accounts to be restricted. You can restrict the times when certain users are allowed to use the computer. If the user dosn't log out before, he is logged out. You can do this on a dayoftheweek base, e.g.: Sun,Mon-Thu 12-22; Fri,Sat 10-23. You can also restrict users based on PEGI age codes etc. ------ ineve.net Character Skill Showroom My EVE Link Collection
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:59:00 - [8] I whole-heartedly support this idea and encourage CCP to take a proactive stance to protect our children. There are no sacrifices too great to ensure the proper education of our children. If CCP fail to implement the ideas listed by the OP, it will show an alarming lack of concern for our future generation. Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:06:00 - [9] If you are worried about your kid playing while at friend's houses then you have to find a solution to that class of problem. I would recommend a 'grades vs account' scheme... if the game is really effecting his schooling THAT badly, shut down his account. If he continues to play after that (via GTCs or such) then you have a discipline problem well beyond the scope of a game and EvE will be the least of your problems.
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:08:00 - [10] I am personally involved in this situation, as I was Volarius' first wife. Its a long story but the short of it is that I ran away to join the circus. To those who critisise Vol's parenting, put yourself in his situation, realise the troubles he has had... maybe the blame lies elsewhere?
Tinuveil Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Krollin Interseting subject. I think there has been a number of studies that show that increased usage of computer technology (be it consoles or MMORPG's) has an adverse affect on a childs social development. However I do not think it should be CCP's responsibility to monitor and control how long an individual plays EVE. Especially as you need to have a bank account to create an account. Though I would like to see some basic parental controls put in place. Having said that, if he is simply using a Cybercafe or a friends computer it maybe harder to control. If he was my son, I would withdraw the use of his account until his school results improved....or at the very least threaten such an action, you control the bank account remember :p Kro I think you're forgetting the use of GTC's and the option of trading in ISK for GTC's. If he really is that good of a player he might just be paying for his EvE account like many others using the ISK-GTC built in trade system. You should encourage him to do activities other than Eve and then reward him by letting him play instead of totally denying him access. And also set a good example or be part of some of the activities that he does instead of playing Eve and then complaining that you see him play it while he shouldn't.
Zartach Tzarszh Minmatar The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Aypse If CCP fail to implement the ideas listed by the OP, it will show an alarming lack of concern for our future generation. This made me laugh, thanks for the comedy. Coercive politics are not lost on you aye? Obey or be branded a child hater!! I bet everyone will run for the hills now. Like if my child would play EVE by running off to an internet cafe, when I told him to go out and play soccer. HELL would be waiting for him if he ever had the nerve to show his face at my house again. I would cancel his account right then and there. Eve online makes that real easy, by adding his main and alts to the buddy list. It is and always should be the responsibility of the parents to protect their children from bad influences/spending too much time on line/in games.
Rheinkraft D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:50:00 - [13] Parenting can be very tough at times, I have first hand experience. The only thing I could suggest is maybe spend some father and son time with young Sith, you know take him to the zoo or out to play ball or maybe build a go-kart.... Theres plenty of options open for you away from eve... Under The Black Flag Est 2004
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Mik kyo To those who critisise Vol's parenting, put yourself in his situation, realise the troubles he has had... maybe the blame lies elsewhere? Blame could be spread around, but it is not with CCP. Account timers are short term solutions that cause more behavioral problems then they solve. I've yet to witness a usage of timers that didn't backfire on the parents in the long run.
Ellaine TashMurkon CBC Interstellar The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 15/04/2008 15:55:07 I want a popup saying "ohnonono, you should be alt-tabbed and working" if I click anything more often then once an hour outside 22-23 Eve time :) ... unless its time to change a skill.
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Zartach Tzarszh HELL would be waiting for him if he ever had the nerve to show his face at my house again. So, you would kill your child & send him to hell if he ever disobeyed you? I suggest you immediately relinquish all claims over your child & send him to live with a relative that will care & nurture him. I bet you are the type of bad parent that would not support an idea like proposed by the OP. It is vital to our communities, nations, and world that parents be given the tools necessary to ensure the quality education and upbringing of our children, such as Sith Bandon. CCP have demonstrated a strong of responsibility to the community it has created and therefore I am confident that they will begin the immediate development of the OP's needed account features. Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:02:00 - [17] Because parenting is difficult, you need someone else to do it for you? You already have easy ways to know when he is playing, as you said, you see him as online ingame. You can totally track when he is playing, it is your job to control his playtime. If there's nothing you can do... Think it again, there will be something he will react to. I'm quite bored of the current trend of giving the parent's role to the school, and now to game developpers. More you give away your parent role, less control you will have, asking CCP for this is even more loosing control. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative The Church.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 - [18] Restricting playtime to children is a parrents job. Not the job of a gaming company. Its hilerieus seeing parrents point at company's that its there fault they cant raise there own childeren. Its so easy to blame someone else for your own mistakes.
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:09:00 - [19] So you want a feature that already exists? Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. Juggernauts
NightKhaos Gallente Khaos Wielders	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:12:00 - [20] I agree with the majority that the responsibility should be that of the parents, not of CCP. If your child is playing to much and you yourself are paying the subscription fee, I would recommend threating them that you will not pay their fee if they do not study. If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. Player owned stargates. Dragger Ships
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:18:00 - [21] Originally by: NightKhaos If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. There are GTCs, which do not cost that much isk for people who sped a lot of time in the game. I'm not playing much (often connected and not doing anything aka being afk!) and I've made enough ISKs for one year in GTCs in a few weeks. GTCs are something full time players can get in a few days of time. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 15/04/2008 16:23:37 i think you nead hospitalization asap
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:37:00 - [23] You said I was your only child :( -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:41:00 - [24] Originally by: NightKhaos If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. Execute your kid! -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:49:00 - [25] Its a parents job to control his kids not ccp's or any other company. If he goes on/out when you told him not to then punish him.
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:02:00 - [26] Oh volarius what have you done. Sith had the chance to be such a rounded individual and then you just couldn't leave those damn NPCs alone to spend some time with him. No wonder he's so angry. I don't think you are looking in the right place to fix your parenting faux pas, maybe if you took some classes and got some help for your unhealthy Estamel addiction you will start to see some improvements in young Siths behaviour. --------------------------------------
Havoc G Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:03:00 - [27] i lol'ed..
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? you gave yourself away at soccer though, nobody but americans call it soccer ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
GreGh Rakrot Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:11:00 - [29] Its hard to be a parent Vol, specialy someone with such a difficult job as you. But what you said explains everything about Sith, I'll try to be more patient with him in the future. Just an idea, maybe you should take him with you to work one time and go through all those pictures togheter ... you know, father & son bonding and all.
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:28:00 - [30] Vol, perhaps a little less time with the bottle and more time with precious little Sith will help resolve your situation.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:36:00 - [31] Hrm. I'm starting to wonder if I missed a joke here.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Nekopyat Hrm. I'm starting to wonder if I missed a joke here. c ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Assassin Akah	Posted - 2008.04.15 18:55:00 - [33] bad parents are bad. Stop playing EVE and start educating your kid.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Nekopyat Hrm. I'm starting to wonder if I missed a joke here. Yeah... Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Sith Bandon Viper Squad	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:53:00 - [35] Edited by: Sith Bandon on 15/04/2008 19:55:07 Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Hey dad thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me but maibe instead of doing that and askin other ppl how to threat your only child you should just ask your self and spend more RL time whit me instead of eve and the bottle, this made me consier moving away from home for good and stop playn eve on the 22th this month you wont hear from me ever again.! Maibe you will treat your next child better
Karentaki Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:31:00 - [36] This is either a moderately epic troll, or the OP really needs to look hypocrisy up in the dictionary and take a hint. Maybe if you payed more attention to your kid he would spend less time on the games that you seem so addicted to yourself... ========== This is a signature, a cunning ploy used by forum warriors!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:55:00 - [37] Edited by: Jacob Mei on 15/04/2008 21:55:33 ....Your joking right? It is not the responsability of anyone else other then yourself to parent your child. If your child gets out of hand or you catch him playing when he should be studying you cancel his account, change his password, whatever it takes. It is not the responsability of CCP to do your parenting. Seriously this is the same arguement parents who take their 10 year old to an R rated movie use.
Marcus Xavier Minmatar Xavier Institute for Higher Learning	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Sith Bandon Hey dad, thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me. Maybe instead of doing that and asking other people how to deal with your only child, you should just ask yourself why you're not spending more RL time with me instead of Eve and the <snipped ... we have children present>. This has made me consider moving away from home for good and stop playing Eve on the 22th of this month. You wont hear from me ever again! Maybe you will treat your next child better Sith, here's a link that will help you get started Ringling Bros and Barnum & Bailey Circus Schedule ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:36:00 - [39] Kidnapping someone elses child (in this case poor old Sith) ain't the solution Vol ;p There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Valencia Gardner	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:56:00 - [40] Originally by: Sith Bandon Edited by: Sith Bandon on 15/04/2008 19:55:07 Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Hey dad thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me but maibe instead of doing that and askin other ppl how to threat your only child you should just ask your self and spend more RL time whit me instead of eve and the bottle, this made me consier moving away from home for good and stop playn eve on the 22th this month you wont hear from me ever again.! Maibe you will treat your next child better Treat, not threat (or do you mean threaten?). Maybe, not maibe. Asking, not askin. people, not ppl. Yourself not your self. Consider, not consier. With not whit. Playing, not playn. No wonder your dad's complaining that your results are sliding. You should be happy he is not caning you or whipping your backside when you do not listen to him. Look, at least learn your spellings from him. But don't ever "thinkz" like him when you grow up :P
Salpad	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:01:00 - [41] Why do old people always worry when young people are in front of computers excercising their brains, but never worry when young people run around doing silly things with balls while not excercising their brains? -- Salpad
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Be a parent and turn the computer off. If as you later say he'll just go to his friends, ground him if his grades slip to much or just stop paying for his account.
Rettermal Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:34:00 - [43] i'd say...confront him about it..be his dad and say "look little johny, eve comes second to your education..if your grades dont pick up, iam affriad your game time is going to follow suit"...if he blocks you i dont think u can see him log in btw, so there is no way of being sure that he is not playing else where...so all comes down to parenting..and trust.
Zartach Tzarszh Minmatar The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Aypse Originally by: Zartach Tzarszh HELL would be waiting for him if he ever had the nerve to show his face at my house again. So, you would kill your child & send him to hell if he ever disobeyed you? I suggest you immediately relinquish all claims over your child & send him to live with a relative that will care & nurture him. I bet you are the type of bad parent that would not support an idea like proposed by the OP. It is vital to our communities, nations, and world that parents be given the tools necessary to ensure the quality education and upbringing of our children, such as Sith Bandon. CCP have demonstrated a strong of responsibility to the community it has created and therefore I am confident that they will begin the immediate development of the OP's needed account features. In figurative speech Mr wise man. But as your obviously a wee bit stuck up, you would not understand. If you quoted some more text you would have read that i would cancel his EVE account. And yes, no TV, and probably grounded for a week would follow. And to be even more annoying i might actually call up the teachers who teach him and have him do catchup on his bad grades. Hows that for punishment, oh my gosh hes actually going to learn something from that i gues. HORRIBLE! These tools you speak of do absolutely nothing. If your child is disobedient and problematic in following your parental guide you might want to look at the whole package you are providing your child with. Governments should protect the children from bad parents who let their children run loose and grow up to be felons due to the lack of parental guide when they were young. And no this does not apply to people in ghetto/trailerpark environments alone. Hiring the nanny, forcing others to create tools to compensate for being a bad parent is not going to help your child. Spending time with the child teaching him, guiding him and punishing him when he is not following the rules will help your child. While it may be that CCP is going to add these kind of filters/tools or may even have been building them since last year. It remains their choice. They have a clear warning on the consequences in the EULA and information about gaming/mmo and parenting is available in abundance on the web/at your local parental guidance infostore. Coercive politics is something that breaks more than it solves, and using the "but its for the children" argument is one of the worst.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Valencia Gardner Originally by: Sith Bandon Edited by: Sith Bandon on 15/04/2008 19:55:07 Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Hey dad thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me but maibe instead of doing that and askin other ppl how to threat your only child you should just ask your self and spend more RL time whit me instead of eve and the bottle, this made me consier moving away from home for good and stop playn eve on the 22th this month you wont hear from me ever again.! Maibe you will treat your next child better Treat, not threat (or do you mean threaten?). Maybe, not maibe. Asking, not askin. people, not ppl. Yourself not your self. Consider, not consier. With not whit. Playing, not playn. No wonder your dad's complaining that your results are sliding. You should be happy he is not caning you or whipping your backside when you do not listen to him. Look, at least learn your spellings from him. But don't ever "thinkz" like him when you grow up :P Yes, well done. Sith's first language is not English, and it's rude to post about someone's spelling when they don't even come from the same country. His post is readable and to be honest, his F1, F2, F3.... speaks far more clearly -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Sith Bandon Edited by: Sith Bandon on 15/04/2008 19:55:07 Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Hey dad thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me but maibe instead of doing that and askin other ppl how to threat your only child you should just ask your self and spend more RL time whit me instead of eve and the bottle, this made me consier moving away from home for good and stop playn eve on the 22th this month you wont hear from me ever again.! Maibe you will treat your next child better Son, you know I love you no matter what, but as I'm looking at the date and time of the message you just posted I can see that you disobeyed me yet again. You told me you were going to David's house to study. Not only did you come home to late, seems youve been playing games as well... I hope you realise that we're gonna have to have a serious talk when you get home because your behavior right now is unacceptable.
Julia Newmatar Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:24:00 - [47] Originally by: Volarius Originally by: Sith Bandon Edited by: Sith Bandon on 15/04/2008 19:55:07 Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? Hey dad thanks for all the internet attention you are giving to me but maibe instead of doing that and askin other ppl how to threat your only child you should just ask your self and spend more RL time whit me instead of eve and the bottle, this made me consier moving away from home for good and stop playn eve on the 22th this month you wont hear from me ever again.! Maibe you will treat your next child better Son, you know I love you no matter what, but as I'm looking at the date and time of the message you just posted I can see that you disobeyed me yet again. You told me you were going to David's house to study. Not only did you come home to late, seems youve been playing games as well... I hope you realise that we're gonna have to have a serious talk when you get home because your behavior right now is unacceptable. Lol, Internet parenting at it's best.
Dotard Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:51:00 - [48] TROLL!!!! If by some perchance it is a serious post: Since you are asking for parenting advise on a internet spaceships game forum....... Show him the belt. Tell him "If I catch you logging on to EvE, this belt will be logging on to your ass." Problem solved. --------------- Nerf You! Buff Me!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.04.16 13:15:00 - [49] Originally by: Volarius Well we can restrict his PC time at home, but then he'll just go out to a friends house or an internetcafe and play there and then while I'm playing i'll see 'Sith Bandon' pop up in my buddys list all of a sudden. Don't you pay for his subscription? Even if indirectly like by an allowance? Just say. If I ever seeyou online when you shoudl be studing. Then no more game on next month. And DO IT! ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 14:55:00 - [50] Given how much isk Sith owes me, if you ban him from eve, you're going to be paying Vol...and im serious!
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:36:00 - [51] Edited by: Aypse on 16/04/2008 16:36:32 After reading the discourse between father and son I am so saddened. This is yet another terrible example of how destructive internet games can be to a loving family. Perhaps Vol & Sith can repair the rift that has developed between them as a result of Eve. Perhaps they cannot. The important thing is that CCP implement proper parenting tools. Everyone needs tools to accomplish their goals. Want to dig a ditch? Get a shovel. Want to write a novel? Get a pen. Parenting is not any different. The parent needs tools in order to build a healthy and constructive member of society. CCP has an obligation to society to give the parents a tool. The question we all have to ask ourselves is, if even one family is saved by implementing these tools, isn't it worth the effort? Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Thera Romana	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:43:00 - [52] There are kids playing this game?
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:53:00 - [53] Originally by: Fortuna Cournot This is part of the Windows Vista Operating System. It shouldn't be part of a game design. In Windows Vista it is possible to setup accounts to be restricted. You can restrict the times when certain users are allowed to use the computer. If the user dosn't log out before, he is logged out. You can do this on a dayoftheweek base, e.g.: Sun,Mon-Thu 12-22; Fri,Sat 10-23. You can also restrict users based on PEGI age codes etc. It's also possible to do this via a good router/firewall, by disallowing traffic to certain ports/machines at certain times. I'm not sure how well the OS-based method would work; a lot of programs require the user to have full admin rights in order to run properly. I think EVE might be one of them.
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:22:00 - [54] sugi pula
TypoNinja Caldari Void Angels	Posted - 2008.04.16 20:31:00 - [55] Edited by: TypoNinja on 16/04/2008 20:31:17 Not to belittle the difficulty of parenting, because I know its not easy, but the bottom line is this; As the child's parent it is your job to raise him, not mine, not somebody else, not the CCP dev's, not broadcast TV, not the government. The world is a nasty nasty place, and there are plenty of downfalls for an uneducated child, its our duty as the adults in our children's lives to make sure they are prepared to meet those challenges. In your case it would seem your child has sufficient maturity that discussions would be fairly effective, since hes running a decent sized corp. Talk to your kid make him understand your worries, and that if he sits on his ass all day as a child he'll look like jabba the hut as an adult. You've got a kid, nobody ever promised it would be easy, but hes your kid and its your problem to solve. Worse comes to worse, change his account password and only let him play when you log him in, though personally I think thats a terrible option.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:07:00 - [56] Originally by: TypoNinja As the child's parent it is your job to raise him, not mine, not somebody else, not the CCP dev's, not broadcast TV, not the government. Which is y i get away with selling big bags of drugs outside schools as its the parents jobs to watch their children 24/7 and NO ONE!! is allowed to help in any way.
acompton Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:03:00 - [57] You guys have clearly missed the most logical solution here: Put Sith up for adoption in China: they aleady have well thought out time limits put on playing MMO's. As an added bonus they won't let him RP as a girl, which he apprently is doing on occasion lately when he puts "will cyber for Iskies!" up in Jita local chat.
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Dotard Show him the belt. Forcing kids to mining is NOT a solution. Volarius, there is a very simple solution. Just take a few guys and pod little sucker to death (repeatedly). When he finally ends with 1SP I can assure you he will not wish to train all those skills again.
Reuser Gunfleet Logistics	Posted - 2008.04.19 20:46:00 - [59] Well played, OP. Well played indeed.
HalfArse	Posted - 2008.04.19 21:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? i think if you want to restrict his play time you should do it as a parent and not relly on ccp to do it for you. How about adding in an ability to inform ccp once your childs grades have improved so they can reward him with longer play time? Considering people all over the world play how can you set a time for children? and even if you did what about those children who play with players in different time zones....and who is to say what time frame a child should have? do you have diffent times for differnt age bands? what about teh holidays when children can stay up longer than they would normally?
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.19 22:16:00 - [61] I swear Triumvirate polycarbon rigs their trolls, they had me, I admit. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 23:28:00 - [62] lol
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.19 23:43:00 - [63] this had the potential to be a pretty good troll :( -----------
Nicola Sardonicus	Posted - 2008.04.20 00:18:00 - [64] World of Warcraft's parental control system works well. A thing to kep in mind is that on a a) kids to a certain extent want limits imposed; and b) with an automatic system set it's "out of sight, out of mind" when the gates come down. We used it in the past with our kids and they eventually conformed their behavior to where it was not needed anymore. A bigger issue is that (although you couldn't tell it from some of the previous comments in this thread) the EVE comunity is far more sophisticated and mature overall than the WoW community. I doubt that there are enough players overall in this game needing parental controls to justify spending the time for creating them, especially when so many other aspects of the game are desperately crying out to be addressed (cough dual-monitor capability cough). ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.20 00:57:00 - [65] Dual monitors 1st then parental control :P I think that when they do implement this (as its only a matter of time before some political guy in the EU tries and wins a bit more popularity by making it into law) in a 2 fold manner. The first would be to stop the child from logging into the game completly and the second would be to allow them to log in and only be able to change their skills but nothing else. So you could for example set a complete login block from 20:00 to 8:00 but allow them to change skills only from 18:00 to 9:00. That would mean that they could still change skills but wouldn't be able to stay up till 2 in the morning to do so. It would also mean they could change skill before going to school if they had time but not to start to play thus making them late.
Nicola Sardonicus	Posted - 2008.04.20 01:05:00 - [66] Originally by: Mavolio Dual monitors 1st then parental control :P I think that when they do implement this (as its only a matter of time before some political guy in the EU tries and wins a bit more popularity by making it into law) in a 2 fold manner. The first would be to stop the child from logging into the game completly and the second would be to allow them to log in and only be able to change their skills but nothing else. So you could for example set a complete login block from 20:00 to 8:00 but allow them to change skills only from 18:00 to 9:00. That would mean that they could still change skills but wouldn't be able to stay up till 2 in the morning to do so. It would also mean they could change skill before going to school if they had time but not to start to play thus making them late. Yes, dual monitors first, because I have parental control (in EVE and otherwise) but not dual monitors. You have an excellent point, though, regarding the parental controls: some politico will probably be shoving it down CCP's throat at some point whether it's needed or not, so they'd better start working on it soon . . . ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
XnS dVd	Posted - 2008.04.30 23:13:00 - [67] You don't need tools to perform fundamental human actions. You DO however need dual monitors. And to answer some of the utterly idiotic questions asked earlier, Dig with your hands and tell stories with your mouth. And am i the only kid who grew up with an intelligent father? I was brought up on interest, passion and logic. If Sith is doing so well at such a complex game, you've already won! Just teach him to apply whatever skills he's developed in EVE to real life. Ask any stock broker or economist EVE is a very useful training ground. Math not you cup of tea? Write fan-fiction, draw fan-art. Stop trying to fight what's already been developed and WORK with it. You're an adult. Act like one.
Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.01 00:32:00 - [68] Originally by: XnS dVd teach him to apply whatever skills he's developed in EVE to real life WTHire: People who can build Battleships and fire lasers!!!
Joseph Dredd UK Corp Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:17:00 - [69] Edited by: Joseph Dredd on 01/05/2008 08:18:25 Get him a wife or GF then he wont be on long when they start going on about EVE and not spending "quality" time with them
Doc Iridium Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.01 08:27:00 - [70] I see no harm in allowing parents the options of setting limits on their childrens' acounts. Limits that cannot be sidestepped by the child using a different computer. You designate one or more accounts as a parent account, and other accounts as dependent accounts. A couple of checkboxes and drop down menus, and viola! there is a profile created for the use of the dependent account. Well, I've said my piece - wait, is that Veldspar over there? Woot!
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.02 08:55:00 - [71] Originally by: Scatim Helicon this had the potential to be a pretty good troll :( twas a bit too good
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.05.02 10:01:00 - [72] I agree, time restriction would be nice. People get to much carried away with internet spaceships.

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