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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 18/04/2008 06:48:30 As a fellow Latin teacher, I wholeheartedly occur, or in Latin, bene.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.18 06:52:00 -
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The guy above left out Morsus Mihi. I still don't think it's correct for "Bite Me" as there's no imperative, or even a subjunctive for those means of issuing commands.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.18 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Originally by: jna The origin of the phrase "Tabula Rasa" ("Blank Slate") is from when the little Romans were in class. They'd write with chalk on pieces of slate, and when the first lesson was over and it was time to learn something new they'd "wipe the slate clean". "Rasa" is very much a word for "wiping clean" or "blanking out".
Well, you don't have to look that far into the past: I did that myself when I was in grammar school, with true chalk on genuine slate.
Juwi Kotch
By Jove, you're old!
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.18 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skystar Macabre Votum ... a corp name for you to analyze
I don't care about your post, but your sig... yum. |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.19 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ptolemeus
Originally by: Cailais If you think latin's bad, you should try ancient greek - drove me to drink that did. Thanfully Ive forgotten it all now...
βάρβαρε Ῥωμαῖε! It's not that bad.
As for the Gentlemens' Corp, I can't help but think of the Neo-Victorians in Stephenson's Diamond Age. That's almost RP I might like.
Greek is a much more difficult language, but it's much more beautiful and complex. There's nothing Attic can say that any other language can say better. Also Greek subscribes to the theory of "Why say something one way when you can do it multiple ways?" Just look at the number of verbs Homer uses for "to come/go" in Book I of the Iliad alone. Hell, the first 100 lines. And don't get me started on kai.
As a simple example, in order to translate Aristotle into Latin, since he was the only one most later Romans cared about, they had to invent a ton of new words. Thankfully this populated the 4th declension with more than it's previous score or so of words. Sadly, 5th still has about 5, plus compounds.
On a side note to jna's mention of the third declension being "everything else" this is exactly how it is in Greek. If it's not 1st or 2nd, it's 3rd. Sometimes it's 1st AND 3rd for -Es names though, just to mess with you.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.19 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Something tells me my name should be 'Bellum Eternum' instead of what it is. I was going for 'war forever' or 'eternal war/fight/conflict' etc. How badly did I screw it up, and does it even matter for a proper noun like a name?
jna?
Yes, you should be Bellum Eternum.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.20 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Something tells me my name should be 'Bellum Eternum' instead of what it is. I was going for 'war forever' or 'eternal war/fight/conflict' etc. How badly did I screw it up, and does it even matter for a proper noun like a name?
jna?
Yes, you should be Bellum Eternum.
Yup, F'Nog has it absolutely right. You need to agree the 2nd declension adjective "Eternus" (Properly Aeturnus with the ellipsed AE) to the neuter noun "bellum". Sadly it does matter for nouns of all sorts, otherwise it's very much "People called Romanes they go the house?" Along the lines of "A war! Something is eternal, but definitely not the war I just mentioned."
Yay, F'nog contributing!
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.04.27 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ella Miedo i just think This should be added.
It already was... in TEXT format. Ooooooooooo, scary.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.05.22 05:50:00 -
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I'm still waiting for your thoughts on Morsus Mihi, jna. I just don't think it's good Latin, even if it's a verb that takes a dative. |
F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.05.22 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 22/05/2008 06:48:36
Originally by: Samuel Harrow
Originally by: F'nog I'm still waiting for your thoughts on Morsus Mihi, jna. I just don't think it's good Latin, even if it's a verb that takes a dative.
He did Morsus Mihi back on page 1 or 2 :)
D'oh, I'll go look for it.
Edit - found it. Yay, I was correct in my understanding and laugh even more heartily at their name.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:18:00 -
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A bit of a side track:
Lost: Via Domus
It's a game based on the show. Obviously it means The Way Home, but it can't possibly be grammatically correct, can it?
Thoughts?
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: F'nog A bit of a side track:
Lost: Via Domus
It's a game based on the show. Obviously it means The Way Home, but it can't possibly be grammatically correct, can it?
Thoughts?
Well, I don't think it's right. In Latin, every use of "via" in terms of a "way or route" takes a (feminine to agree with via) adjective, regardless of whether the actual root of the adjective is masc, fem or neut - eg via praetoriaor via militaris.
And where adjectival forms of words they wanted to use with "via" didn't exist, the Romans created them specifically for the purpose.
So, Augustus', Trajan's and Appius' roads were all, respectively, Via Augusta, Via Traiana and Via Appia. So the "Home Way", "Home Route", "Route Home" or "Way Home" would probably be Via Doma. I wouldn't swear by it though...
Yes, yes, fellow Latin teacher, here.
I was more wondering if it could be formed with a locative or prepositional phrase. I'm only aware of the constructions you gave, but doma isn't an adjective for domus.
So the creators were probably just being lazy with their Latin.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: Garland Adolis Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo, Aureli pathice et cinaede Furi, qui me ex versiculis meis putastis, quod sunt molliculi, parum pudicum.
And that's quite enough of your filth anyways XD
Do you know the name Marilyn Skinner? If not, I'm gonna have to give you a rupturing introduction.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: jna
Originally by: F'nog A bit of a side track:
Lost: Via Domus
It's a game based on the show. Obviously it means The Way Home, but it can't possibly be grammatically correct, can it?
Thoughts?
Well, I don't think it's right. In Latin, every use of "via" in terms of a "way or route" takes a (feminine to agree with via) adjective, regardless of whether the actual root of the adjective is masc, fem or neut - eg via praetoriaor via militaris.
And where adjectival forms of words they wanted to use with "via" didn't exist, the Romans created them specifically for the purpose.
So, Augustus', Trajan's and Appius' roads were all, respectively, Via Augusta, Via Traiana and Via Appia. So the "Home Way", "Home Route", "Route Home" or "Way Home" would probably be Via Doma. I wouldn't swear by it though...
Yes, yes, fellow Latin teacher, here.
I was more wondering if it could be formed with a locative or prepositional phrase. I'm only aware of the constructions you gave, but doma isn't an adjective for domus.
So the creators were probably just being lazy with their Latin.
Trouble is, if it was being formed with the locative it would be "via domum" (as they used it, and as in the wonderful Monty Python 'ad domum/domum takes the locative' moment) and it would be correct. However, fundamentally, you can't use "via" in this sense unless you use/invent an adjectival form of "domus". You could reconstruct the phrase to be "go home" or "make your way towards home" using an imperative, but it wouldn't be half as catchy :)
Oh, and F'Nog for Amarr Emperor =D
Good, then we agree. Via Domum would be better, but it wouldn't work grammatically as established.
Now all we need to do is work out the adjectival form of domus and we're set.
And thank you for your support. Down with that Sarum lupa!
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: F'nog
Good, then we agree. Via Domum would be better, but it wouldn't work grammatically as established.
Now all we need to do is work out the adjectival form of domus and we're set.
And thank you for your support. Down with that Sarum lupa!
Yup, which is what I gave in the first reply - Via Doma. Doma would probably be the Nominative Feminine form of an adjectival domus, doma, domum - though it has the downside of being 'confusable' with the 2nd person singular of Present Active Imperative of the verb domo, domare, domui, domitus.
That and most words which are identical in one gender or another tend to be adjectives that become nouns. I can't think of any nouns that becomes adjectives and remain the same in one or more gender, but I'm tired and could be wrong.
So I think that an adjective for domus would most likely be 3rd declension and thus completely different, if only in the oblique cases.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Druadan Edited by: Druadan on 06/07/2008 20:38:10 So when you say that word order means little in Latin, does that mean that, for example, 'Sum Ergo Cogito' means the same as 'Cogito Ergo Sum'?
As jna already stated, generally you would be correct. However, you just happen to have chosen one of the few constructions wherein this is not true.
Going with our beloved Romani ite domum, any order would be acceptable. Generally the last word in the phrase/sentence is the most emphatic, which is why verbs tend to be at the end. Here they're, presumably (the Pythons know both Latin and Greek), emphasizing HOME, and not just translating it word for word.
So ite Romani domum, domum Romani ite, domum ite Romani are all possibilities.
If you really want to see this in action, read Virgil. There's nothing like having the verb or the subject at the end of a stanza with a whole bunch of subordinate clauses in the lines between.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.13 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: jna
Originally by: Hamshoe
Originally by: Chris Liath This stuff right here is awesome.
If nothing else, it has firmly established the primary cause of the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Quite the opposite, I'd say... Latin bound the far-flung corners of the Roman Empire together, and made the Roman Empire what it was. See the excellent "Ad Infinitum - A Biography of the latin Language" for more (only out in hardback atm, paperback to follow).
And thank you, Donkee Punch. Made it all worthwhile!
Thanks for the link. That's definitely on my to read list.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.14 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Originally by: Nofonno First, I couldn't do it in five words only, since the Perfect Active Indicative is unfortunately ambiguous in Slovak (1st person sg. and 3rd person sg. are the same) and I have to use a reflexive pronoun ("som").
For your lexical pleasure
vi veri vivus vici universum silou pravdy Pivē, dobyl som vesmfr
And what lingustic reference to AC would be complete without some (bad) gematria ...
So V.V.V.V.V. = S.P.Z.D.S.V.
I like the 5=6 connection ...
S.P.Z.D.S.V. = 60 + 80 + 7 + 4 + 60 + 6 = 217
217 = 7 x 31, Crowleyites will like that.
- Is the value of the proper noun meaning 'Light' - Is the value of Zayin spelt in full meaning 'sword'
All very fitting.
/me waits to be torn apart from bastardising slovak to english, then hebrew :P
PS love to see if someone can unravel my corp name.
She's a witch!
He dares to bring MATH into a discussion concerning LANGUAGE!
BURN HIM! |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
The Serpents Teeth, or perhaps more accurately, Teeth of the Serpent God.
I was inspired by the Greek/Persian legend of Cadmus, famous for establishing a walled city (coincidently) after chopping off a serpents head, sowing its teeth in the ground, and having a mighty warrior spring up where each tooth fell.
That's a bit of a two-edged katana there. Thebes doesn't exactly have the most positive and inspiring history, unless you're Hades and in need of minions.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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