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Epegi Givo
Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:17:00 -
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Lets explain this with an example:
Person A buys 1bil from ISK sellers. Person A gives the 1Bil to Person B. Person B buys 500 mill worth stuff. GMs track everything down. They penalize Person B 1bil, leaving him with negative 500mil. Person B is screwed.
Problem here, Person B did nothing wrong, and he got penalized, but did Person A get penalized, someone tell me if I'm wrong but he didn't.
Solution: Punish the the original buyer of ISK ONLY. Person B didn't do anything wrong, yet he gets the raw end of the deal. |
Epegi Givo
Amarr New Eden Manufacturing and Missions
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:17:00 -
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Lets explain this with an example:
Person A buys 1bil from ISK sellers. Person A gives the 1Bil to Person B. Person B buys 500 mill worth stuff. GMs track everything down. They penalize Person B 1bil, leaving him with negative 500mil. Person B is screwed.
Problem here, Person B did nothing wrong, and he got penalized, but did Person A get penalized, someone tell me if I'm wrong but he didn't.
Solution: Punish the the original buyer of ISK ONLY. Person B didn't do anything wrong, yet he gets the raw end of the deal.
Originally by: Morcam Warp scramblers are like having a camera stuck up your rear end. Do you want it? No. Do you need it? eh...
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:19:00 -
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That is usually what happens unless they believe that Person A is the one who sold the ISK and Person B is the one who bought it. I imagine that in some cases it could be difficult to determine who purchased the ISK and who just laundered it. If this happens to you, contact a GM and explain the situation - if you're telling the truth you will have the ISK returned. |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:19:00 -
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That is usually what happens unless they believe that Person A is the one who sold the ISK and Person B is the one who bought it. I imagine that in some cases it could be difficult to determine who purchased the ISK and who just laundered it. If this happens to you, contact a GM and explain the situation - if you're telling the truth you will have the ISK returned. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:25:00 -
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One of the major issues that ISK farmers cause to the game is screw up the ingame economy. Unlike most other MMO's, the economy on EVE is 99.9% player ran and is not vendored by NPC's. That illegal money hurts the economy on EVE a lot more then illegal currency on another game would hurt it.
It also makes a statement that buying Illegal ISK is ok and you can get away with it if CCP does not confiscate it - regardless of wither or not you were aware the money/items you received is legal or not.
Not confiscating this money just creates a loophole that ISK farmers can exploit, they will bounce the money between 10 different users making it near impossible for GM's to accurately track and eliminate all the money - not to mention complicated.
I have never been put in a situation like that before, but I would petition a GM right away. I would not know if they would investigate and return your money though - as I said I've never been in that position before.
This is kinda one of the necessary evils that we need to deal with probably. Majority of EVE appears to dislike ISK farming activities and how it messed up the gameplay. We can trust CCP to deal with this problem, and you can tell they have in recent dev blogs and patches. We need to meet them halfway to control the ISK farmer epidemic and hopefully nearly eradicate it however. |
Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:25:00 -
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Nothing to see here folks. Just another ISK buyer trying to guilt trip CCP. |
Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:25:00 -
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One of the major issues that ISK farmers cause to the game is screw up the ingame economy. Unlike most other MMO's, the economy on EVE is 99.9% player ran and is not vendored by NPC's. That illegal money hurts the economy on EVE a lot more then illegal currency on another game would hurt it.
It also makes a statement that buying Illegal ISK is ok and you can get away with it if CCP does not confiscate it - regardless of wither or not you were aware the money/items you received is legal or not.
Not confiscating this money just creates a loophole that ISK farmers can exploit, they will bounce the money between 10 different users making it near impossible for GM's to accurately track and eliminate all the money - not to mention complicated.
I have never been put in a situation like that before, but I would petition a GM right away. I would not know if they would investigate and return your money though - as I said I've never been in that position before.
This is kinda one of the necessary evils that we need to deal with probably. Majority of EVE appears to dislike ISK farming activities and how it messed up the gameplay. We can trust CCP to deal with this problem, and you can tell they have in recent dev blogs and patches. We need to meet them halfway to control the ISK farmer epidemic and hopefully nearly eradicate it however. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the |
Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:25:00 -
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Nothing to see here folks. Just another ISK buyer trying to guilt trip CCP. --- My cat Putter approves of this post. Be a Ninja! You know you want too: http://www.animecubed.com/billy/?Kravick |
Anubis Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:26:00 -
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Part of me is wondering what will happen to me if an ISK cheater buys one of my characters. |
Anubis Xian
Vertigo One
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:26:00 -
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Part of me is wondering what will happen to me if an ISK cheater buys one of my characters.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic That is usually what happens unless they believe that Person A is the one who sold the ISK and Person B is the one who bought it. I imagine that in some cases it could be difficult to determine who purchased the ISK and who just laundered it. If this happens to you, contact a GM and explain the situation - if you're telling the truth you will have the ISK returned.
I'm sure if the GM's looked and dug in the logs and databases enough they could find chat logs, transaction logs, and background and I{ checks/matches to determine who out of this entire chain is the source of the bad ISK. The issue is the time and complexity involved.
It would take a long time for a GM to deal with a single case with that much care and accuracy, and the GM department would be completely overworked obsessing over the ISK farmers. It's not very realistic - thats not the only job a GM/DEV needs to perform in order to wear the tag on their name.
In order for all cases with ISK farmers to be dealt with fairly and accurately in a scenario like that CCP would probably (I could be way off) need to double their GM team, or more, and have a large, dedicated macro-killer division specifically designed to witchhunt the ba*tards :P But, even if they did that, their accuracy would still not be perfect, but it would improve. |
Amastat
Caldari Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic That is usually what happens unless they believe that Person A is the one who sold the ISK and Person B is the one who bought it. I imagine that in some cases it could be difficult to determine who purchased the ISK and who just laundered it. If this happens to you, contact a GM and explain the situation - if you're telling the truth you will have the ISK returned.
I'm sure if the GM's looked and dug in the logs and databases enough they could find chat logs, transaction logs, and background and I{ checks/matches to determine who out of this entire chain is the source of the bad ISK. The issue is the time and complexity involved.
It would take a long time for a GM to deal with a single case with that much care and accuracy, and the GM department would be completely overworked obsessing over the ISK farmers. It's not very realistic - thats not the only job a GM/DEV needs to perform in order to wear the tag on their name.
In order for all cases with ISK farmers to be dealt with fairly and accurately in a scenario like that CCP would probably (I could be way off) need to double their GM team, or more, and have a large, dedicated macro-killer division specifically designed to witchhunt the ba*tards :P But, even if they did that, their accuracy would still not be perfect, but it would improve. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the |
Ki Anna
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:36:00 -
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In your example what would be expected to happen is that Person A would have been banned completely for being an ISK seller/launderer.
Player B has the ISK removed because they are assumed to be the real buyer.
If an investigation shows that Person B was innocent because they maintained a proper arms-length when dealing with Person A, then the ISK will be restored to Persan B, and Person A would suffer the full weight of the illegal transaction.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 16/04/2008 23:38:48 nm
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Anubis Xian Part of me is wondering what will happen to me if an ISK cheater buys one of my characters.
GMs have said repeatedly that legitimate transactions will not be punished, even if the isk came from an isk seller.
So if person A bought a character from person B for 1 bil, person B would not be deducted 1 bil.
But if person A just randomly decides to give person B a bil about he bought it on ebay, then person B will lose the isk.
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Furious Hawk
Caldari Farlight Optic Council
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Posted - 2008.04.16 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kravick Drasari Nothing to see here folks. Just another ISK buyer trying to guilt trip CCP.
This. |
Shakuul
Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.17 00:04:00 -
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Account B and account A are in fact owned by the same person. Justice is served. Even if you're a different person, you can't keep your ill gotten gains. Maybe you could ask CCP or a friend of yours to help you sell the 500mil items.
Even when they use the 500mil for a ****ty item transfer method...if your miner I sells for 500mil apparently you're supposed to report it. IMO this is stupid, but its part of CCPs anti-isk selling campaign. |
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