Botter tears are best tears.

Couldn't you just write them a nice email you soulless attention *****?

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

Can you quote some excerpts from the sites please? My tear jar has been a little empty lately.

Let me guess.....
Only highsec booters taken ?

Edit: A dead boot is a good boot tho....

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

We do not nor have we every discriminated based on location. Any insinuation otherwise is simply false.

We do not nor have we every discriminated based on location. Any insinuation otherwise is simply false.

heh: I was not referring to the timing of this purge merely the love the OP was expressing toward CCP and the title of the particular unnamed thread on FHC the Op was referring to.

god my reading comprehension is awful today.

HA assuming that's an actual quote, that's quite hilarious. Holocaust makes it sound like such a bad thing though, so let's say it's bot genocide. No wait that doesn't sound good either... how about bot ethnic cleansing. Or bot mass extinction.

Botters will be back tho.....
If CCP not doing anything with the way ppl rat/mine...

Yeah I know. I had just noticed the thread titles on other forums and wanted to be clear (I'll explain in the blog) that there's reason for timing that has nothing to do with Fanfest, which would insinuate that it's some kind of PR move. This is a tuning of an existing program that occurs regularly.

Now is there any lawyer or experienced member that might want to contribute in how we can argue this using the rules? If this a ban wave there is no specific investigation i guess so i think there is a way to argue this out or try anyway?

Looking forward to the dev blog. I personally think you should:
A: Remove all supercapitals, owned by players who have accounts caught in the net from the game world.
B: Confiscate without recompense and then recirculate PLEX that have been bought by players who have accounts caught in the net, back into the market at 75% of current market value.

Anyway keep up the good work.

Thanks you Thanks you Thank you

Nice to see some action on the bot's and RMT'ers that are the cancer in Eve. Thanks for taking action, and if I have one thing to say, please make this a regular occurance.

We all know that once the two week bans are up they will be back in force. One idea I'd like to put forward is once an account is dinged for this, please ensure that the character can't be traded. It's been publicly stated on certain forums (not FHC the other one ) that once the ban is up they sell the char, open a new account and then buy a new one so the cycle starts again.

Remove the ISK and their ability to sell the char if you're not going to perma ban them, and hopefully we will see a large reduction in these cheating wankers.

This shows folks that the best solution to this issue on OUR end is hitting that report bot function. The more info CCP gets on these idiots. The better.

We do not nor have we every discriminated based on location. Any insinuation otherwise is simply false.

Every? Freudian slip?

You sound bitter bro....
Did you loose anything ?

Personally, I think this is too little, too late. There should've been a lot more done with bots years ago, and the end result of the ineffective anti-bot stance CCP has taken has lead to a hilarious inflation in the ships used, to the point where we see daily supers being ganked and just go "Sigh, really? Again? Don't they ever learn?!", and when we get pings of "titan tackled", I just go "meh, I can't even be bothered to log in for a titan kill anymore, it's no big deal".

Thanks you Thanks you Thank you

Nice to see some action on the bot's and RMT'ers that are the cancer in Eve. Thanks for taking action, and if I have one thing to say, please make this a regular occurance.

We all know that once the two week bans are up they will be back in force. One idea I'd like to put forward is once an account is dinged for this, please ensure that the character can't be traded. It's been publicly stated on certain forums (not FHC the other one ) that once the ban is up they sell the char, open a new account and then buy a new one so the cycle starts again.

Remove the ISK and their ability to sell the char if you're not going to perma ban them, and hopefully we will see a large reduction in these cheating wankers.

How do you know if someone is a bot? Assuming he has a "regular" name and only mines for 2-3 hours a day, why would you think he is / he is not a bot?

It's a thought of mine, if people spam report bot, won't CCP get clogged in hundreds of time consuming investigations leading to nowhere?

Botter spotted. There is no need to make a personal attack here.

Thanks for posting and hilighting yourself though.

I wish I was cool as you.

Yeah I know. I had just noticed the thread titles on other forums and wanted to be clear (I'll explain in the blog) that there's reason for timing that has nothing to do with Fanfest, which would insinuate that it's some kind of PR move. This is a tuning of an existing program that occurs regularly.

Good, any chance you can deal with the obvious trade bots, can't be too hard assuming the popular programs all do the exact same thing and position the UI in the exact same way... The regions I've been trading in there are some people that seem to hate sleeping or doing any normal human functions it seems...

So it's looking like not only bot accounts, but other accounts of those who own the bot accounts. This is great "nuking from orbit" and I support this whole-heartedly.

Three huzzahs for CCP.

yeah it does suck when u pile money into a game and the makers can take it away just like that, replace CCP with bankers and u got the current world situation atm, they basically own everything and can do what the **** they want!

Let me guess.....
Only highsec booters taken ?

Edit: A dead boot is a good boot tho....

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

Juicy details like which alliance had the most botters?

Botter spotted. There is no need to make a personal attack here.

Thanks for posting and hilighting yourself though.

Couldn't you just write them a nice email you soulless attention *****?

Just gonna leave this here. Props to Aurora and his anonymous tipster for the forum ****.

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?5791-pre-fanfest-macro-purge

My favourite:


CCP is literally Goldman Sachs itt

Anyone else find this ironic?

That's nice but when will CCP start banning macro chat bots in all the trade hubs. I really never under stood why they turn a blind eye to that.

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

I want to invite everybody to stand up and give an standing ovation to Sreegs and CCP for this, the only thing I would ask was why it wasn't done sooner, which i guess is related to how cautious is CCP Games before serving some street justice.

I repeat it BIG APPLAUSE for this!!!!

It'd help if you didn't, you know, publish botting guides on your site.

Well since they also don't seem to answer petitions in the EULA & TOS category its also not possible to show them the facts and point them right towards the botters...

I'm stoned :(

It'd help if you didn't, you know, publish botting guides on your site.

Yeah riverini a how to guide is so the best way to combat botting.
As always you are made of win! Well done....:slow clap:

As others have said stats on what alliances have the most bothers would be interesting.
And name and shame also!!

Take no action against botters other than to make their characters permanently sanctionable targets for all capsuleers!

You like to bot? Well we know some people that like to pew pew!

How about just perma ban them on first strike? instead of the silly 10-14 day slap they get now + not being able to resell them...

That was utterly idiotic when those were published.

Take no action against botters other than to make their characters permanently sanctionable targets for all capsuleers!

You like to bot? Well we know some people that like to pew pew!

Fine for high sec rogue mining botters, but doesn't work really as the majority of bots are buried within, and protected by, the 0.0 alliances to which they belong.

NO... just delete the characters involved.

Mr Epeen

How about just perma ban them on first strike? instead of the silly 10-14 day slap they get now + not being able to resell them...

Imagine if a bug in the detection engine causes 1000 auto-permabans and then someone proves a bug screwed good players. Imagine the adverse publicity on the game.

CCP dont ruin invasive software, they apply bans based on in game activity.

I am going to play devil's advocate on this, as I read it everywhere again and again, pitchforks and torches readied to kill with no second thought.



They could perma ban on first strike if a list of banned software was available or if some button could tell people "HEY GUY YOU ARE ABOUT TO START EVE WITH SUSPICIOUS SOFTWARE RUNNING!"

How do you know if tomorrow you buy a new keyboard and it triggers a bot detection and you get permabanned?
Or you install something that automates some mundane task in another software and its "engine" is shared by one of the bots and thus gets detected by EvE?

Other times they ban by using heuristics (expecially when a player activity is "strange" / reported but no blatant bot engine is found). They cannot perma ban on first strike because of heuristics, heuristics always come with false positives.

Would YOU like to be perma banned out of the blue, just because you played in a way that somehow triggered the heuristic?

You are all so sure that everything goes black and white, but it does not.

Imagine if a bug in the detection engine causes 1000 auto-permabans and then someone proves a bug screwed good players. Imagine the adverse publicity on the game.

Because mining is such a bad mechanic, there's no 100% foolproof way for CCP employees to be SURE you did not bot.

I find that pods pretending mining for a cycle, docking to station, undocking, pretending mining for a cycle, docking... for hours after their Mackinaw got ganked a pretty damning evidence, well worthy of a first strike permaban.

Great news, hopefully spam bots will get the hammer too...

Looking forward to that blog!

/c

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

This sounds like something very newsworthy. I suppose he has of course by now pulled his incriminating evidence off his entirely balanced and not at all telling people how to bot site?

EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots

I'm going to play the devils advocate to your advocate.

For starters, permaban =/= all hope is lost. If you can prove without a doubt that it was some background code similar to that of a botting script (though what it could be is beyond me) then you can petition it and get your account back.

I doubt that example would lead to a ban so I don't see how it is relevant.

Someone is so afraid of banning that attacks CCP without any evidence...
I love this ****.

Just do it all the time CCP...

I find that pods pretending mining for a cycle, docking to station, undocking, pretending mining for a cycle, docking... for hours after their Mackinaw got ganked a pretty damning evidence, well worthy of a first strike permaban.

How would you prove "without doubt" that you did not cheat?

Who needs Hulkageddon when CCP themselves can cause more tears in one massive wave.

I am going to play devil's advocate on this, as I read it everywhere again and again, pitchforks and torches readied to kill with no second thought.



They could perma ban on first strike if a list of banned software was available or if some button could tell people "HEY GUY YOU ARE ABOUT TO START EVE WITH SUSPICIOUS SOFTWARE RUNNING!"

How do you know if tomorrow you buy a new keyboard and it triggers a bot detection and you get permabanned?
Or you install something that automates some mundane task in another software and its "engine" is shared by one of the bots and thus gets detected by EvE?

Other times they ban by using heuristics (expecially when a player activity is "strange" / reported but no blatant bot engine is found). They cannot perma ban on first strike because of heuristics, heuristics always come with false positives.

Would YOU like to be perma banned out of the blue, just because you played in a way that somehow triggered the heuristic?

You are all so sure that everything goes black and white, but it does not.

Imagine if a bug in the detection engine causes 1000 auto-permabans and then someone proves a bug screwed good players. Imagine the adverse publicity on the game.

EVE does fingerprint your computer you idiots

though not background code unless they're planting spyware in which case we have a problem

How would you prove "without doubt" that you did not cheat? What tools does CCP provide to do so? What tools do you have? None. It's your defaced word against an international corporation.

Who needs Hulkageddon when CCP themselves can cause more tears in one massive wave.

you call those flapjacks boobies?! you are in dire need of a re-customization appointment

You don't need to prove that you did not cheat. The logs prove that you did, which is why you were banned. Any argument is just you trying to convince CCP that what they read in their logs is not true. But you don't know what is in their logs.

All of the bots I've looked at have very specific UI settings that you must have in order for the bots to work. I'm talking book marks, their names, where they point to, window placement, all sorts of crazy things. If a non-bot was using these specific UI settings and their names, it would be one hell of a coincidence.

All it would take for CCP to crack down on bots would be a simple 4 step process:
1.) Find bot software.
2.) Buy it.
3.) Get the UI settings required by the bot in order to work.
4.) Make a DB query.

You could probably get a large number of bot users by simply looking at the bookmarks set by players.

My tools are an email account and a phone. All you have to do is inform the company what you were running at the time you saw the ban message and they can test against those items to see if any trigger. If they can recreate what they were seeing from you with the programs that you describe, then you have done a pretty good job of clearing your name. Common 3rd party programs that I've effect people the most is Fraps and Teamspeak. Gaming keyboards, mice, and nostromo's don't seem to be as much of an issue even though they provide the ability to macro.

By your description it seems bots work within certain fixed UI settings. But the client does not communicate those settings to the server, it's all client stored.

Of course an unnatural naming for bookmarks (and alts) would be a red flag to say the least.

What data do I lose when clearing the cache and settings folders?
Cache

Only cached data, which can be retrieved again from the server, are stored in the cache folder. The only exception is the Jukebox playlists which will be removed located under cache\Jukebox as .m3u files.
Settings

All your client-settings are stored in this folder, like video and audio settings, user defined shortcuts, window and overview settings and much more. This also includes the folder-structure for lists like notes, buddies, agents and bookmarks (but the items themselves are saved on the server).
(Player note. You may export your overview settings to an XML file from ingame by rightclicking on the Overview arrow and selecting Export Settings. It will ask you for a name to export the file to and which overview settings to export.)

And of course they will trust you about what programs you had running when you got banned. Or not?
What botter would tell them "yes I was running bot.exe"?

In fact I dare say that the most defensive approach would be to have an opt in flag to always send CCP the list of processes you have on your computer. I'd enable it ASAP.

My tools are an email account and a phone. All you have to do is inform the company what you were running at the time you saw the ban message and they can test against those items to see if any trigger.

I'm looking forward to the dev blog. I suspect it will own some of the internet security "experts" whose proposals and counters are largely irrelevant.

WTB: a phone # at CCP that links to customer service/support.

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

As bad and annoying as they are, chat bots don't faucet ISK and / or minerals into the system. I suppose that makes them second priority.

I was aiming for something a little more entertaining for the player base but in seriousness, I kind of think a one-time slap on the wrist is ok.... as long as the characters cant be recycled/sold. Like IP tracking and ban all accounts / remove character sale priveliges etc etc. (I know IP bans arent infallible but it catches all current accounts of that person) etc etc.

Uh... this is a brainfart, don't read into it too much.

Wrong.

Also see:
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/854144


From http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clearing_the_cache_and_settings

Latest: Translation from Italian Newspaper (has to do with ban !):
Ugly URL

The references to VMware and virtual machines in the fhc thread indicates possibly a "MAC Address tracking" in use. I knew a craigslist scammer who used to circumvent bans by relying on MAC spoofing and cloning in the router. So there must be some mechanic of botting and banning that revolvED around that. It's not a very sophisticated technique and it should be no surprise when it fails.

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

I don't have any VMware but I do play up to 4 clients at a time. Does it mean I am at risk of being considered a botter because of the "MAC address tracking"?

No but your defense of them is very transparent and I am sorry that your "boss" is going to look at the take and say something like "Hey, it's a little light this week. You holdin' out on me?"

+1 to making banned accounts non-transferablee
(-1 to CCP forums for eating my previous post)

1st offense: 2week ban, characters barred from ever being sold/transferred
2nd offense: perma-ban

Permanent banning on first offenses would make everyone in Eve a potential target of perma-greifing by individuals who know how to "work the system" to their advantage. Hulkageddon would be the least of a miners worries at that point.

Permanent banning on first offenses would make everyone in Eve a potential target of perma-greifing by individuals who know how to "work the system" to their advantage. Hulkageddon would be the least of a miners worries at that point.

I had a corp mate who lost a faction fit paladin to high sec gankers last week - the last assets of note (worth 3bil+) I lost were in 2009 - about the same time you lost lots of yours.

He didn't lose anything. He loosed it. No harm in that, I suppose.

+1 for the Dev Blog. I'd be keen to read it and see some of the publishable details.

Thanks! :)

I'm writing a dev blog in a day or two that will contain some sweet juicy new details.

As regards the timing of this particular wave, let the dudes on FHC know that Fanfest had nothing to do with it. That's a coincidence.

:edit: also the guy above me

I am also against the fact that in EvE if you were wrongly accused of cheating you have NOTHING to defend yourself with.
In a game centered on griefing, spying and meta gaming, it should just be natural to be given tools to prove your own innocence.

Permanent banning on first offenses would make everyone in Eve a potential target of perma-greifing by individuals who know how to "work the system" to their advantage. Hulkageddon would be the least of a miners worries at that point.

Defense of what?

Let me spell it slow so everyone can catch up.

For what I care, botters, macroers, cheaters can all die today.

Though I am against first strike perma ban (notice the FOCUS of the statemtent), because there's no 100% accuracy of detection.

I am also against the fact that in EvE if you were wrongly accused of cheating you have NOTHING to defend yourself with.
In a game centered on griefing, spying and meta gaming, it should just be natural to be given tools to prove your own innocence.

If someone gets accused of a crime IRL he can defend himself, he's given tools to produce reliable proof to convince a judge of his innocence instead.

would also be intresting to see how many of those bots that were banned were as a result of people pushing the report a bot butan.

not that i think we should be policing a game that we pay money to play when CCP must have better ways of working out who is a bot and sorting it out themselves.... i still dont think this is anything more than PR for them to be able to stand up at fanfest and say "arn't we great!"

Im hoping that i will be proven wrong... but it happened last year.

You guys should of done the ban AT fanfest in front of a huge crowd.

And now we would like to ban all these botter accounts with a push of this large shiny red button.

To the gasps and horrors of 1 in 10 in the crowd. HA!

Hey CCP I know MD is the bastard orphan child of the forum, but our brave Jita traders noticed a sudden death in many of the .01 ISK warriors. Mind popping your head over and giving us a shout?

We do not nor have we every discriminated based on location. Any insinuation otherwise is simply false.

It's always worked this way. We're doing a few new things this time but we always hit everything.

It's a good thing then that learning skills got removed so the effective time to get a new bot-alt up and running is fast enough to keep the roubles pouring in.

Lets bring learning skills back, then.

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They're dead and buried, let the learning skills set R.I.P.

It's a good thing then that learning skills got removed so the effective time to get a new bot-alt up and running is fast enough to keep the roubles pouring in.

Last year what we said was that the very system you're seeing in action here today was going to be in action in perpetuity, with a lot more intelligence being involved in the long run. You're not seeing anything different today.

I said specifically that this would be a slow burn and that there would be gaps and some games involved up front. I agree that from your perspective this could be taken that way, but I'll also point out that I've never promised anything other than results which would at times appear sporadic.

In my blog I hope to go into more details regarding the timing but believe me please that Fanfest wasn't a factor whatsoever. Hopefully I can flesh it out better tomorrow or the next day and get something satisfactory published for you. :)

:edit: One thing I'd also like to note is that we didn't make an announcement. The community carried that on its own and while there's some things that need to be cleared up regarding motivation this is exactly what I'd like to see. I shouldn't be convincing you guys that we're effective, it should be apparent and that's the only real measure of success I can care about from a player perspective.

It's always worked this way. We're doing a few new things this time but we always hit everything.

Latest: Translation from Italian Newspaper (has to do with ban !):

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quilivorno.it%2Fcronaca-nera%2F2-livorno%2F8116-studente-su-internet-qse-mi-buttate-fuori-dal-gioco-mi-uccidoq-dallislanda-scatta-lallarme-a-livorno.html&act=url

TLDR: You do not joke about committing a suicide in your petition to GMs (for example, when they ban you for botting). Doing so will trigger a fairly standard response - a report to the local police with IP address and subscriber info (if available), to check if the guy is not joking.

This has happened before on various MMOs and many times over. Every single time it has resulted in police officers at the door. Unless you feel like explaining to the police about your "funny" "joke", don't do it. Customer support people everywhere will thank you. It must be a massive hassle to track down local law enforcement contacts in a hurry and try to convince them to send someone over - because that's what the poor support guy, by standard procedure, has to do. Otherwise if the "joker" actually isn't joking, there would be a massive drama bomb how the game caused the suicide and the support didn't intervene when they could have. CCP (or any other MMO publisher) can't take that risk.

Oh, and saying so won't get you unbanned if that's your idea with the "joke".

Nobody around here will accept "some people might be wronged so don't do anything" arguments. Botting is bad enough that people are willing to accept the risk of an error from time to time. This game is not run like real life where giving your neighbor the power to rat you out to the cops on anything they can make up means it's garunteed to happen. (you are probably safer in the game from this kind of false reporting than such shenanigans in RL).

but believe me please that Fanfest wasn't a factor whatsoever.

non-******** botters use a launcher that spoofs the fingerprint (and monitors the fingerprint code for any changes), hides injected dlls from the client and prevents crashes from getting reported (doing this via the official client setting might be a red flag, who kows?).

I loved reading the tears on the Fail Heap Challenge. Now I have to go look into my list of people I scouted earlier to see if they went poof because of Mr. Ban Hammer.

EDIT:

I also noticed that CCP never made an announcement about this. It was merely just us forum dwellers who noticed the bot forums being flooded with bountiful, yet tasty, tears. If this really was a pre-fanfest PR stunt by CCP, then this is a very odd way of announcing the bans. In fact, this would have been swept under the rug had it not been for us forum dwellers who thankfully spy the bot forums for intel on how to catch them.

Anyways, I always wondered... if there was ever a mathematical formula for calculating the quality of the tears on the bot forums, what would it look like?

Another question: When will the DEV BLOG?

A lot of people (especially software developers) disable all automatic crash reporting due to NDAs and such.

Soon!

Nobody around here would take my post as "some people might be wronged so don't do anything" arguments, except you.

I just want the players to have the *instruments* to eventually prove they were innocent in case they are banned wrong.
CCP HAVE to do anything vs cheaters, but players should then be able to do *something* in case they were picked by mistake.

Now reread this sentence and look how different it reads compared to your belief.

People with high visibility are naturally exposed to all sorts of vendettas and competition.
If you are a 3rd party service or similar, you WILL deal with fiercely opposing factions and then you WILL be subject to "emergent meta gaming".

Getting in position of being an auditor / collateral holder / 3rd party service (and others) is not the same as levelling a new Retriever alt. It takes years and years. This is why I don't like the complete inability to defend. Whatever happens just because one day or week or month I decided to do some missions / ratting and even mining (!) will forever destroy my main activities (in the signature in case it's not evident enough).
Guess what happens if I'd even get 10 days ban (or whatever is the minimum) and I had to contract a Supercarrier in my possession back to a loanee during those 10 days? People would cry scam, "he cashed out", whatever and I'd be thrown in the mud. Just because I did PvE sometimes earlier.

What to do to PROVE that someone gamed the system against me? There's nothing available at all.


Edit: practical example that happened in the past: a guy had to give collateral for an IPO (read: he wanted to start a BPO copy corp and asked Market Discussion investors for some billions).
I was chosen as collateral holder. After some months they guy contacted me in terror, as one of those who borrowed him money was banned for RMT.
Now what happens? That the game has ZERO mechanics to defend him (or me). To CCP it would just look like the other guy laundered RMT money. And in turn with that money the IPO investee bought the BPOs I held as collateral. How would I prove I don't matter at all with those two, in case CCP decided a chain investigation before I returned the BPOs?

soon or soontm

If true, then the null bots did in fact get hit, without favoritism.

I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.

I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.

I had no idea people even thought that was a thing. Talk about pushing the ol' tinfoil envelope.

Seriously. I can't fathom why people would believe that a company who spent a lot of development hours on a bot detection system would subsequently spend more hours making sure it ignored 2/3 of the game it's supposed to work on.

Oh yes. Sreegs, as you were once part of the goons they obviously thought you would show your loyalty to them. Other players have made similar comments, about how goon bots will get a free ride.

I guess they forgot to notice who signs your check, or consider that you actually take pride in doing a good job.

soon or soontm

That's not what he's referring to and there's not a single NDA in the world that allows you to violate the EULA. If you can't play by the rules you agreed to then don't.

:edit: And unless what he's referring to is within the client (It's not that I'm aware of) then it is a EULA violation and you will be permanently banned for it the first time.

Et tu Johnny Marzetti?

http://i.imgur.com/mi9Gh.png

This is a EULA violation? I'm pretty sure he's referring to "red-flagging" anybody who disables it.

Oh yes. Sreegs, as you were once part of the goons they obviously thought you would show your loyalty to them. Other players have made similar comments, about how goon bots will get a free ride.

I guess they forgot to notice who signs your check, or consider that you actually take pride in doing a good job.

Once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity.

This is beautiful.

/and about damn time.

BUT WAIT, THERE IS EVEN MORE! From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account. This means that once you've received a warning for botting your character transfer privileges have been revoked in perpetuity. This is to prevent people trying to circumvent the rules by recycling accounts. Yes we know people pointed out this could happen last time around and if you'll remember we said "We'll keep an eye on it and if it becomes a problem we'll deal with it". Here is us dealing with it. We'll probably have to come up with some form of timing solution for the future, but as it stands today it's forever. If you care about your dudes don't to bad things.

The crash dump disabling is perfectly legal and there's a button for it right in the client so no. :)

From now on, and this current wave is included, characters who receive a warning such as this will have the characters locked to the account.

So if someone got their account banned last year they can still transfer their characters?

As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.

THNX A LOT


and,

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE THAT PERMANENT!!!!!

If you put it on timer botters will make a little more accs and when time pass out sell the old one that was locked and buy new one for reserve. And you will have that bad circle of recycling chars started again, only circles will be a little bigger (more chars in the same circle).
You see that we were right last time and you didn't listen, listen us this time and keep locked chars permanently locked to that account.

As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.

As bad as bots are, it's not a good precedent for CCP to change their terms and then retroactively apply punishments based on them, so yes, any botters who got caught once before, have not yet transferred their characters, and have not been caught again - should be allowed to transfer their characters. If they're bad again, they'll get caught and punished like everyone else.

Shandir, dear, you seem to be very sensitive about this issue....

burned have we?