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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:02:00 - [1] Even though BACON (the new real-time intel-gathering 3rd party app from a Hydra Alliance corp) is not a violation of the EULA, it breaks the spirit of the game. There are reasons that safeties have been put in place to prevent this sort of thing. The fact these guys have found a workaround to a system set in place to prevent people from doing this sort of thing frustrates me. Not because I didn't do it, but because it is available to players. First let me say this: I have local open 23/7. Everyone has access to it and I choose to leave it open. That is personal choice. If I downloaded this program and (this is a stretch here) I was mining in a lowsec belt with eve minimized (lol), I could be alerted to gtfo without even paying attention. But the root of the issue still stands. It takes away from the fact that EVE is a game where you need to focus and be attentive to play. If we allow this sort of thing to come into regular play what will be next? Some sort of combat tool to calculate the enemies' dps and say "you are going to explode in X number of seconds at this rate" or some other hogwash? CCP this needs to be stopped right now before more plans move further to develop more around this client/user loophole. Even though the data is accessed locally and does not involve the client, it reports realtime information that the client is delivering to you anyway. That's where the spirit of the game is broken and needs to be fixed. I really don't have any respect for the people that made this whatsoever. Why? Because first of all they say on their website they're proud members of the Hydra Alliance, yet they all post without their alliance tag. Sounds proud. That shows me they're hiding rather than being a part (this is all skepticism). Finally, they have really touted themselves as being the saviors of not-paying-attention gameplay: Originally by: Cesar Malari BACON's performance is, quite simply, real time. You can rely on BACON to let you know when someone enters the system you are in. If you happen to be in a different conversation window than Local, you still are alerted to system entries. If you happen to be quickly checking a forum, or momentarily distracted from EVE û BACON will save your ship. AKA "I don't have to actually be paying attention to EVE, my ship will be safe!" CCP, you yourselves have said hundreds of times that you want EVE to be an "at-keyboard experience." By allowing this sort of software (not this software per se, but this SORT of software) you are reneging your statements to your clients and consumers who put faith in you to keep this stuff out of the game. Come on CCP. Keep yourselves in check. Thanks.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:02:00 - [2] Even though BACON (the new real-time intel-gathering 3rd party app from a Hydra Alliance corp) is not a violation of the EULA, it breaks the spirit of the game. There are reasons that safeties have been put in place to prevent this sort of thing. The fact these guys have found a workaround to a system set in place to prevent people from doing this sort of thing frustrates me. Not because I didn't do it, but because it is available to players. First let me say this: I have local open 23/7. Everyone has access to it and I choose to leave it open. That is personal choice. If I downloaded this program and (this is a stretch here) I was mining in a lowsec belt with eve minimized (lol), I could be alerted to gtfo without even paying attention. But the root of the issue still stands. It takes away from the fact that EVE is a game where you need to focus and be attentive to play. If we allow this sort of thing to come into regular play what will be next? Some sort of combat tool to calculate the enemies' dps and say "you are going to explode in X number of seconds at this rate" or some other hogwash? CCP this needs to be stopped right now before more plans move further to develop more around this client/user loophole. Even though the data is accessed locally and does not involve the client, it reports realtime information that the client is delivering to you anyway. That's where the spirit of the game is broken and needs to be fixed. I really don't have any respect for the people that made this whatsoever. Why? Because first of all they say on their website they're proud members of the Hydra Alliance, yet they all post without their alliance tag. Sounds proud. That shows me they're hiding rather than being a part (this is all skepticism). Finally, they have really touted themselves as being the saviors of not-paying-attention gameplay: Originally by: Cesar Malari BACON's performance is, quite simply, real time. You can rely on BACON to let you know when someone enters the system you are in. If you happen to be in a different conversation window than Local, you still are alerted to system entries. If you happen to be quickly checking a forum, or momentarily distracted from EVE û BACON will save your ship. AKA "I don't have to actually be paying attention to EVE, my ship will be safe!" CCP, you yourselves have said hundreds of times that you want EVE to be an "at-keyboard experience." By allowing this sort of software (not this software per se, but this SORT of software) you are reneging your statements to your clients and consumers who put faith in you to keep this stuff out of the game. Come on CCP. Keep yourselves in check. Thanks.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:05:00 - [3] Not to be banal but.. /signed The Trit Must Flow!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:05:00 - [4] cheerfully reported as spam already plenty o'threads I don't need another Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:05:00 - [5] Not to be banal but.. /signed The Trit Must Flow!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:05:00 - [6] cheerfully reported as spam already plenty o'threads I don't need another Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:05:00 - [7] agreed -----------------------------------------------
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:06:00 - [8] Originally by: midge Mo'yb agreed Yep, its spam Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Tortun Nahme cheerfully reported as spam already plenty o'threads I don't need another Cheerfully reported as trolling. :D You haven't had a single useful thing to say in any bacon-related thread, so you are the spammer/troll.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:09:00 - [10] actually comedy has plenty of uses Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
PwnzDeLeOwnz Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You haven't had a single useful thing to say in any bacon-related thread, so you are the spammer/troll. Did someone call?
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Tortun Nahme already plenty o'threads I don't need another Good, gtfo _____________________________________________________________________________
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:14:00 - [13] Doesn't that mean there was a spirit to Eve to begin with?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:15:00 - [14] Originally by: PwnzDeLeOwnz Originally by: Siigari Kitawa You haven't had a single useful thing to say in any bacon-related thread, so you are the spammer/troll. Did someone call? iunno, are you a spammer or a troll? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:15:00 - [15] Oh, my mistake, I forgot the spirit of relentless griefing. /sarcasm
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Talarn Kalarn Oh, my mistake, I forgot the spirit of relentless griefing. /sarcasm No, at some point you all forgot/never realized you signed up for a 'PvP first' game. Evidently CCP did as well at some point, which is the most disheartening part of all. _____________________________________________________________________________
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:20:00 - [17] Originally by: DroneBay Diva No, at some point you all forgot/never realized you signed up for a 'PvP first' game. Evidently CCP did as well at some point, which is the most disheartening part of all. This is true. In my experience of looking at other MMOs and getting input on them, EVE exists as only one of two games I have ever seen the exalt PVP and not sneer at it. The other is a game called RF Online, where you actually HAVE to PVP to move forward. Every other game I have ever seen penalizes you for PVP, whether by reducing your ability to do normal ingame things or stat penalties and what not. This is disheartening and I hope CCP realizes what is going on.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:21:00 - [18] are you kidding, according to you, us avoiding pvp has been the single MOST effective form of it clearly we are causing much distress Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:22:00 - [19] Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Talarn Kalarn Oh, my mistake, I forgot the spirit of relentless griefing. /sarcasm No, at some point you all forgot/never realized you signed up for a 'PvP first' game. Evidently CCP did as well at some point, which is the most disheartening part of all. They didn't forget. They just realized that a 'PvP first' game cannot grow. But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:23:00 - [20] /signed. ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:40:00 - [21] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 20/04/2008 07:40:48 Originally by: Shakuul Sorry was there something I missed about this? Does it log off for you? I thought it just sounded a tone when someone hostile enters local. This means you have to be 1) at your computer and 2) paying attention. This requires more attention than autopilot...since you're 100% safe with autopilot if you are travelling hisec, not in any empire wars, and not worth suicide ganking. This is really just another way for those of us who cant run at 1920x1080 res (and have enough room in EVE for a huge local window) to "see" local. It's called turning up the volume. Hell, if I walk away from my computer to go to the kitchen to cook dinner, I can still hear what my corpmates are talking about in vent. Don't be so naiive. AT ANY RATE CCP has removed the original thread regarding it so this is over now. Thanks again CCP :)
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:42:00 - [22] Originally by: DroneBay Diva [I never said 'PvP only' I said 'PvP first'. No, but your reaction, and the reaction of pretty well everyone else to bacon, has been that PvP is the only way to play and gain enjoyment from Eve Online. The fact is, a signficant proportion of Eve Online's playerbase does not want to engage in pvp activites because they find pve to be enjoyable enough and it doesn't result in as much grief.
DroneBay Diva AbChao Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Shakuul since you're 100% safe with autopilot if you are travelling hisec Are we playing the same game? Originally by: Shakuul This is really just another way for those of us who cant run at 1920x1080 res (and have enough room in EVE for a huge local window) to "see" local. No, its a way to have local watched for you. _____________________________________________________________________________
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:46:00 - [24] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa CCP has removed the original thread regarding it so this is over now. Thanks again CCP :) I wouldn't set the fireworks off just yet - the other thread was probably deleted because of the abusive language some posters were using - not because of the topic of discussion.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:48:00 - [25] NO! don't unleash your logic in here! it will get messy Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:48:00 - [26] Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Shakuul since you're 100% safe with autopilot if you are travelling hisec Are we playing the same game? Congratulations, you can make out of context quotes. Lets look at what I actually said: "100% safe with autopilot if you are travelling hisec, not in any empire wars, and not worth suicide ganking." Is that an unfair statement? If so please explain how. Originally by: DroneBay Diva Originally by: Shakuul This is really just another way for those of us who cant run at 1920x1080 res (and have enough room in EVE for a huge local window) to "see" local. No, its a way to have local watched for you. You still have to be at your computer and it doesn't act for you (execute ingame commands) at all.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Talarn Kalarn Originally by: Siigari Kitawa CCP has removed the original thread regarding it so this is over now. Thanks again CCP :) I wouldn't set the fireworks off just yet - the other thread was probably deleted because of the abusive language some posters were using - not because of the topic of discussion. Alas the program is still out there so hopefully CCP will plug this hole serverside if possible. The Trit Must Flow!
Talarn Kalarn	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Talarn Kalarn on 20/04/2008 07:52:05 Originally by: Zeba Alas the program is still out there so hopefully CCP will plug this hole serverside if possible. I'm not actually opposed to removing people in system from local - it as an equal effect on hunters aswell as their prey and will make the directional scanner a fair bit more useful in pvp situations.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:53:00 - [29] Originally by: Talarn Kalarn Originally by: Siigari Kitawa CCP has removed the original thread regarding it so this is over now. Thanks again CCP :) I wouldn't set the fireworks off just yet - the other thread was probably deleted because of the abusive language some posters were using - not because of the topic of discussion. In that case CCP would not remove an entire thread from existence simply for a few posts. Rather, Mitnal would come and pwn their post with "Moderated - inappropriate content" or somesuch.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.20 07:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Talarn Kalarn Edited by: Talarn Kalarn on 20/04/2008 07:52:05 Originally by: Zeba Alas the program is still out there so hopefully CCP will plug this hole serverside if possible. I'm not actually opposed to removing people in system from local - it as an equal effect on hunters aswell as their prey and will make the directional scanner a fair bit more useful in pvp situations. /signed but thats a whole other thread. The Trit Must Flow!

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