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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:16:00 -
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If this gets allowed it's another blow to pira... Suprise deconstruction. We've had enough of that, it's difficult to catch aware players already, wanna make it afk business?
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth
Originally by: Karentaki STUFF
First Bold: Your not modifying anything! Your not changing how the game is played either your changing how you react to the game not the playing of the game as it does not affect gameplay for anyone else the gameplay itself is not changing.
2nd Bold: Your NOT MODIFYING ANYTHING! 2nd part of that your not gaining beneficial actions you wouldn't otherwise have in the normal game play. i.e. local and standings
last bold: Your not creating any 3rd party apps for the game your creating them for the logs that the log server produces so it would be more closely related to apps for the logserver but thats not covered. Even then its for the logs and not any of CCPs software if ya have a problem with it ask them to remove the logserver. The last part of this bold is ******** because CCP has already stated in another post these are offcially not breaking any rules so encouraging others to use is is not any violation.
That's just bending words so they suit you.
This is****gotry, no more, no less.
You have my utmost contempt.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix And if you are so much against such a tool,create a 3rd party tool that acts as countermeasure. You create a tool that allows a small advantage and then your opponent creates something that counters your invention.
Please do share you idea of a countermeasure against this.
Please.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: eeevans even if ccp outlawed it, i'd love to see anybody be able to prove someone was using bacon - or more importantly, a derivative thereof... ho ho...
They should alter logfile code so it broke bacon.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 22/04/2008 15:28:16
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix The bottom line guys is that CCP has approved that tool and so there is no point,nor good reason to discuss. If you don't want to use it,don't use it.If you want to use it,use it. It is each pilot's choice and no one has any business telling a pilot how to play,from the moment the pilot doesn't break the EULA and ToS. And CCP has said that as of now BACON doesn't violate the EULA or the ToS. So,all of these discussions are pointless.
I weep for your lack of brain.
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
And if you are so much against such a tool,create a 3rd party tool that acts as countermeasure. You create a tool that allows a small advantage and then your opponent creates something that counters your invention.
Oh, well that's just fine and dandy then. Hey fellas, let's create a program that lets us warp directly to any player in a system. I mean, if the carebears don't like it, they can just create a program to counter it. That's how Eve should be played. Create a program that does what you want.
A question: Is this BRUCE's official stance on this issue?
Ki An, this is my personal stance. I am in no leadership position at BRUCE and I don't speak for anyone but myself.
I have said it before,it is my personal opinion that no one has a reason to complain because CCP approved that tool Also,I have said that each and every pilot has the right to choose how to play a game from the moment,that said pilot doesn't break any EULA or ToS.And CCP has said that BACON doesn't break the EULA or the ToS
Why should this be used? Why should you be warned if you aren't aware.
This is yet another nail in the coffin for suprise deconstruction (Sound nicer than piracy). This is another nail in the coffin for non-mutual pvp.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Euriti on 22/04/2008 15:39:41
Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Edited by: Kaimon ValDreth on 22/04/2008 15:37:48
Originally by: eeevans even if ccp outlawed it, i'd love to see anybody be able to prove someone was using bacon - or more importantly, a derivative thereof... ho ho...
Great point... I do remember a game once cant remember what its called. Anyway when you started the EXE it scanned your computers active processes. If it found a process named the same as a hack program it instantly banned you. I think it was a CS 1.6 server mod, not sure though. So when you joined the server and auto downloaded the mod or something.
Could CCP legally employ that? An active scan of your computers active processes paired up to a list of known hack/cheat programs for insta banning?
*you start eve and BOOM "we have dectected eve altering content on your computer and we exorcise our right to ban you forever."*
WoW has "Warden" which scans for illegal processes and then notifies a GM.
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view) |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: Euriti
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view)
Good,then why not create a thread to demand that against the Goons tool?which by the way is private to the goons. Why have multiple threads against a publicly released tool that as of now is allowed by CCP,when tools such as the Goons one exists?To me that sounds like double standard.
A former goon told me he was amazed people still believed beetracker was real and also look around the text, looks like it's done in paint.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9655/beetrackerth9.jpg
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Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.22 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Made my day.
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