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RebelWithACause
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.22 23:58:00 -
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Trolling aside, let's look at the evidence:
1) CCP is the final word in interpretation of the EULA/TOS. They wrote it, they interpret it, they enforce it. Any arguments to the contrary are moot. CCP has neither endorsed nor condemned BACON, but has stayed in the middle.
2) BACON is a side-effect of the information available in the logserver. Due to the nature of the logserver, it is technically unfeasible to even detect the use of it. Contrary to a previous statement, it is EXTREMELY easy to randomize the process and executable name of any similar tool.
3) CCP's own statement is that they have known that there are "many similar tools currently used", and it's an "unintended use of information" link, which openly shows previous knowledge and inaction for similar tools.
4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it. Defending CCP by saying that we shouldn't have released it because it uncovered a hole is silly. Security through obscurity never works, and we even specifically ASKED them about it BEFORE we released it. They could have said no then.
Where does this leave us? Simple.
- If a hole exists, ASSUME a tool will be written to take advantage of it, EULA-compliant or not. Whether you like it or not, don't blame the tool; instead, plug the hole.
There are few options to accomplish this:
Q) Incorporate BACON functionality into the EvE Client, or do nothing and declare the use of the information free and clear. A) Unlikely, given previous statements by CCP.
Q) Change the EULA to encompass 'unintended use' of the LogServer and cache information A) Pointless. Fine, if you catch someone (yeah, right), ban them. All this does is sweep the problem under the carpet, and once again provides security through obscurity.
Q) Encrypt the logserver and cache information, only decryptable by CCP. A) Iffy... while hard to break if done right (unlikely), the issue with trust concerning CCP and 'favored' alliances is too disturbing to think about.
Q) Remove Local Chat. A) An interesting solution that has been discussed. Solves problem, but is a sweeping change to the game.
Others (constructive)?
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Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.23 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cori4n on 23/04/2008 00:29:23
Originally by: Maliber I also encourage ppl to find security holes in bacon so i can post code in local and crash/freeze bacon using ppl and gank em while they are ratting. Maybe inject some kind of malicous code or something. As local is for chat only and the logserver wont be affected i would technicaly not break any eula or tos rules.....
I posted earlier how it might be possible to cause BACON to incorrectly log an arrival/exit. I would really appreciate if someone who can actually get BACON to work would try it out.
And no, Ki An, despite having read every post in the thread, I cannot understand why it would not be possible for CCP (if this is what they wanted) to announce that using BACON is now an exploit.
I do not agree with RebelWithACause's statement regarding "eula compliant or not". The information is available if you are willing to violate the EULA (assuming they encrypt the logserver, I can think of 3 ways offhand) and there is nothing anyone can do about that. However, most people, like me, would not use a eula violating application.
P.S. Don't drag MachoNet into this, it is CCP approved like the logserver had been, however unlike the logserver it is delayed. The only information it has (aside from a version of what we already get from the static data dump) is some misc not very useful things like market orders (but only for items that you looked at) and corp standings (should be in the API anyway).
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RebelWithACause
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n
I do not agree with RebelWithACause's statement regarding "eula compliant or not". The information is available if you are willing to violate the EULA (assuming they encrypt the logserver, I can think of 3 ways offhand) and there is nothing anyone can do about that. However, most people, like me, would not use a eula violating application.
Same here. My point was just that don't assume that for others. I would not use a tool deemed against the EULA, as determined by CCP. However, I DO make the assumption that others do and will. It's the tenet of ANY good security person that if a hole exists in any protocol or data structure, assume people will take advantage of it. I completely expect there to be people that write non-EULA-compliant hacks, just as much as I expect people to write valid tools, as we believe we did (hence the openness).
Originally by: Cori4n
P.S. Don't drag MachoNet into this, it is CCP approved like the logserver had been, however unlike the logserver it is delayed. The only information it has (aside from a version of what we already get from the static data dump) is some misc not very useful things like market orders (but only for items that you looked at) and corp standings (should be in the API anyway).
I will concede this point - the only reason I included it was for the 'unintended' clause. If there were a way to use MachoNet cache info to do something that gave someone an advantage in ANY way that is yet undiscovered, you know the fervor would be just as strong.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sekhen
Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
*Bra bla bla*
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Translated: If you want to play a game that has lots of "mods" that help you in your gameplay, one of our competitors (Blizzard/Vivendi) offer exactly that product (Worlf of Warcraft).
Here we play the game as it is and on equal terms.
Equal terms?I don't think so,if CCP bans Bacon and such tools while allowing other alliances/corp to use similar tools EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n
Originally by: DigitalCommunist The EULA/TS are a series of enforcement guidelines and nothing more. They're not there to describe, in detail, every possible situation. They're not taking any action because they can't prove you're using this tool, not because they don't want to, or because the EULA says not to. Otherwise, why would they be frowning upon this tool?
Oh yeah, cause you just modified gampelay with a completely new mechanic. Damn cheaters. I would punish you in the name of the Moon, if it didn't involve stepping off my gloriously high horse.
Well, CCP could easily declare BACON and exploit and delete/lock this thread. However, it remains open. Do you think that because in many cases you can't prove that someone's not using a macro, CCP will allow a topic with a link to download a macro, and discussion of the same?
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Personally I see this as a double standard which doesn't promise much for fairness
Who said this game is fair?
Seriously. If some alliances have sufficiently competent members to create EVE tools, why should they not thereby gain an advantge?
I am not talking about alliances and corps.Any alliance/corp should make as many legal tools as possible and keep them secret as much as they wish. My point on fairness is about CCP and also about all the complainers.Until Bacon was released to the public nor CCP, nor the complainers went in such a "posting" state,however as soon as BACON was made public and provided a great tool for the masses,we see people complaining and CCP "reacting". Now if CCP bans all such tools and provides proof that no alliance/corp is allowed to use such tools,no matter CCP preferances, then that would be fair. But if they only ban BACON and still leave that loophole, then it is not fair and it is a double standard. Bottom line for CCP and the complainers is that you cant't have it both ways.You can't say BACON is immoral,illegal or a cheat,while having alliances/corps using the same type of tools under the rug.
Which brings me to my next point.BACON is not a cheat.It is a tool that makes live easier and more secure.It is also a tool that can provide additional tactical opportunities. It is additionally not a cheat since to quote CCP "it doesn't technically violate the EULA/ToS".
As far as being moral,since when has war become moral? |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kvirie
Originally by: Cori4n
Originally by: Sekhen If you want to play a game that has lots of "mods" that help you in your gameplay, one of our competitors (Blizzard/Vivendi) offer exactly that product (Worlf of Warcraft).
Here we play the game as it is and on equal terms.
And what the heck is this? Does WoW have static data dumps? An API? A dev blog titled "Third Party Development"? Tools like evemon and EFT which are made possible by the former?
Since when was the spirit of EVE ultraconservative with respect to development?
You fail in realizing EFT and EVE-mon do not automate any aspect of game play for you. EVE-mon does not change skills, and EFT doesn't fit your ship for you. BACON watches local for you.
And,your point? Last I checked BACON doesn't modify skills nor fit your ship for you.All it does is provide a warning system equal to the military radar and warning systems |
Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cori4n on 23/04/2008 01:44:32
Originally by: RebelWithACause I will concede this point - the only reason I included it was for the 'unintended' clause. If there were a way to use MachoNet cache info to do something that gave someone an advantage in ANY way that is yet undiscovered, you know the fervor would be just as strong.
I'm just a bit worried that if CCP amends the EULA to deal with BACON, they will also prohibit access to the cachefiles; since there are a few apps like RDB that make use of them, it would be a shame if they were included in a blanket prohibition. |
Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Last I checked BACON doesn't modify skills nor fit your ship for you.
This :D
Just from a utility perspective, Evemon and EFT change the game much more drastically than BACON ever could. Certainly, I am too lazy to use evemon, and I am punished for it by missing days' worth of training.
I suspect that the fervor about BACON is not due to the advantage it gives to those who use it, but rather that if everyone used it, some groups (carebears) would benefit more than others. Which, I suppose, is fair, since it could then disrupt the balance of the game...
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 23/04/2008 01:53:49
Originally by: RebelWithACause 4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it.
If BACON doesn't automate a thing, why did you advertise it with the slogan "Never be surprised again"?
Could it be that BACON automates watching your own back?
Bandures > tommy you like a cowboy harry ) |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 23/04/2008 01:51:02 Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 23/04/2008 01:50:30
Originally by: RebelWithACause 4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it.
If BACON doesn't automate anything, why did you advertise it with the slogan "Never be surprised again"?
Could it be that BACON automates watching your own back?
It doesn't automate anything except giving you warning sounds. Like I have said before.BACON is the Eve version of a military radar and warning system EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 23/04/2008 01:51:02 Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 23/04/2008 01:50:30
Originally by: RebelWithACause 4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it.
If BACON doesn't automate anything, why did you advertise it with the slogan "Never be surprised again"?
Could it be that BACON automates watching your own back?
It doesn't automate anything except giving you warning sounds. Like I have said before.BACON is the Eve version of a military radar and warning system
Well clearly, you're wrong and not so clever as your alliance claims.
Military radar and warning systems are automated systems.
So is BACON.
Bandures > tommy you like a cowboy harry ) |
0prah
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:56:00 -
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It's an alarm BOT! Designed to serve Macro Miners!
Whoever designed this tool should be castrated, oh wait.. I guess that isn't possible due to a lack of dangleberries which is why the tool was created right?
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Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.23 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds If BACON doesn't automate a thing, why did you advertise it with the slogan "Never be surprised again"?
ITT: My web browser is a cheat because it automates the mundane task of waiting for rats to come in range by loading my home page, whereas otherwise I would have to type in a url manually
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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 02:00:00 -
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Quote: Military radar and warning systems exist due to a lack of dangleberries which is why they were created, right?
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.23 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi Greetings,
The LogServer output is solely intended by CCP as information for developers to help identify and fix bugs. While BACON, and the many similar tools currently used by a large number of players, may technically not be in violation of our EULA/TOS, we frown upon the use of this information for any other purpose and we are currently working on changes to prevent this sort of unintended use of information provided by the LogServer.
Regards,
GM Grimmi Lead Game Master
Coming home to this definitely made my day
<3 CCP, I promise I'll never (rarely) badmouth you again. |
Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: DroneBay Diva
Edit: Yes, I would also like to thank (you heard me) Gunfleet for bringing this to the public eye and therefor level the playing field for everyone.
Honestly, we're not married to BACON. And you're welcome.
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Lurana Lay
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Posted - 2008.04.23 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: RebelWithACause Trolling aside, let's look at the evidence:
1) CCP is the final word in interpretation of the EULA/TOS. They wrote it, they interpret it, they enforce it. Any arguments to the contrary are moot. CCP has neither endorsed nor condemned BACON, but has stayed in the middle.
2) BACON is a side-effect of the information available in the logserver. Due to the nature of the logserver, it is technically unfeasible to even detect the use of it. Contrary to a previous statement, it is EXTREMELY easy to randomize the process and executable name of any similar tool.
3) CCP's own statement is that they have known that there are "many similar tools currently used", and it's an "unintended use of information" link, which openly shows previous knowledge and inaction for similar tools.
4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it. Defending CCP by saying that we shouldn't have released it because it uncovered a hole is silly. Security through obscurity never works, and we even specifically ASKED them about it BEFORE we released it. They could have said no then.
Where does this leave us? Simple.
- If a hole exists, ASSUME a tool will be written to take advantage of it, EULA-compliant or not. Whether you like it or not, don't blame the tool; instead, plug the hole.
There are few options to accomplish this:
Q) Incorporate BACON functionality into the EvE Client, or do nothing and declare the use of the information free and clear. A) Unlikely, given previous statements by CCP.
Q) Change the EULA to encompass 'unintended use' of the LogServer and cache information A) Pointless. Fine, if you catch someone (yeah, right), ban them. All this does is sweep the problem under the carpet, and once again provides security through obscurity.
Q) Encrypt the logserver and cache information, only decryptable by CCP. A) Iffy... while hard to break if done right (unlikely), the issue with trust concerning CCP and 'favored' alliances is too disturbing to think about.
Q) Remove Local Chat. A) An interesting solution that has been discussed. Solves problem, but is a sweeping change to the game.
Others (constructive)?
Great post. The highlighted part is the most compelling statement in this entire monster thread.
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NCTaark
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Posted - 2008.04.23 03:20:00 -
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Congratulations GFL! Three days old as a topic and 26 pages worth of inferno, that is pretty impressive!
GFL and I have had our issues in the past; I told them putting 'Logistics' at the end of the name made them look like carebears, but they just didn't listen to me. They can flame away as they please, because I know they all want to turn me into a frozen squishy that they can trophy collect in their hangers. . . they can try at least
This uses publicly available data in a new, inventive, and transparent method. EULA violation: maybe, maybe not, leave that for the lawyers.
Early warning radar? Please . . . If you are that concerned about it unbalancing your carebearwargankage; overload the 'sensor' by jumping a shuttle with a zero skill point alt, into system every 5 minutes for about two hours. By the end of the hour you have a bunch of panicking station huddled carebears, on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and you are laughing at their terror. OR they start to ignore the system (or turn it off) and they are available for killing. Be creative, stop complaining.
It is an arms race. This is the evolution of weapon smith vs the armorer; Ventrillo and TS offered the same advantage to fleet coordination once upon a time. Then tactics changed and evolved, to match that development. When people saw fleets enter their system they all hit their 'pushtotalk' and screamed "DOCKSKI!", so people started using scout/tacklers, so local wouldn't jump as much and the tackler could go unnoticed, when that stopped working people started using bait tanks, and then bubbles Blah blah etc etc.
This is just combat evolving: predator vs prey. Deal with it as a fact of an ever changing life, evolve around it, adapt to it, or develop something better. Keeping it open and available, to all, is better then having it locked away, creating segregated and advantaged communities. Everything has consequences, intended and unintended, this is no different, if anything, this serves to level some playing fields, as much, (if not more) then it effects the empire wars. Because it breaks the holds of the small advantaged communities. Offering that advantage to all, makes no one an advantaged community.
Taark
(PS: Interesting idea guys. I probably won't use it because I'm happy with my local undocked on the left side of my client. I've been swimming in reds for the last 10 months, so I have no interest in listening to warnings every 15 seconds as they come and go.)
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Eronysis
Caldari Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Eronysis on 23/04/2008 03:34:36
Dear CCP,
After digesting all of this and hearing my beloved corpmates whine/debate/whine/cry/cheer etc... I think I have come up with a final and even more profitable solution! Step 1 Encrypt logserver
Step 2 Release HAM(tm) you know that product you have had in "development" for almost a year now and in "testing" with certain "select" peoples...the one that monitors logserver data and now has value added ENCRYPTION KEYS.
Problem solved and status Quo maintained...
Step 3 Release MOM(tm)(Moans over Myhammy) as PREMIUM content!
Step 4 Profits! More brennivin and rotten shark for all!
Warmest Regards,
Eronysis
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.23 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: NCTaark Congratulations GFL! Three days old as a topic and 26 pages worth of inferno, that is pretty impressive!
GFL and I have had our issues in the past; I told them putting 'Logistics' at the end of the name made them look like carebears, but they just didn't listen to me. They can flame away as they please, because I know they all want to turn me into a frozen squishy that they can trophy collect in their hangers. . . they can try at least
This uses publicly available data in a new, inventive, and transparent method. EULA violation: maybe, maybe not, leave that for the lawyers.
Early warning radar? Please . . . If you are that concerned about it unbalancing your carebearwargankage; overload the 'sensor' by jumping a shuttle with a zero skill point alt, into system every 5 minutes for about two hours. By the end of the hour you have a bunch of panicking station huddled carebears, on the verge of a nervous breakdown, and you are laughing at their terror. OR they start to ignore the system (or turn it off) and they are available for killing. Be creative, stop complaining.
It is an arms race. This is the evolution of weapon smith vs the armorer; Ventrillo and TS offered the same advantage to fleet coordination once upon a time. Then tactics changed and evolved, to match that development. When people saw fleets enter their system they all hit their 'pushtotalk' and screamed "DOCKSKI!", so people started using scout/tacklers, so local wouldn't jump as much and the tackler could go unnoticed, when that stopped working people started using bait tanks, and then bubbles Blah blah etc etc.
This is just combat evolving: predator vs prey. Deal with it as a fact of an ever changing life, evolve around it, adapt to it, or develop something better. Keeping it open and available, to all, is better then having it locked away, creating segregated and advantaged communities. Everything has consequences, intended and unintended, this is no different, if anything, this serves to level some playing fields, as much, (if not more) then it effects the empire wars. Because it breaks the holds of the small advantaged communities. Offering that advantage to all, makes no one an advantaged community.
Taark
(PS: Interesting idea guys. I probably won't use it because I'm happy with my local undocked on the left side of my client. I've been swimming in reds for the last 10 months, so I have no interest in listening to warnings every 15 seconds as they come and go.)
Very nice post. Love it. And you said the word: arm races. And again,I will repeat what I said before.If you so don't like the tool,find a way to code a counter tool or something.Then the BACON guys will probably find a way to bypass your counter and the arm race continues. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3 |
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.23 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: NCTaark Congratulations GFL! Three days old as a topic and 26 pages worth of inferno, that is pretty impressive!
It is pretty impressive
Reminds of the 'Why BoB are Losing' series by James 315.
/me awaits a 'Why Goons are Losing' thread. |
MrYellow
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Posted - 2008.04.23 08:44:00 -
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My eve-job is sitting in a system all day reporting any incoming.
My real-job at home and at work is programming.
As such although I can have eve open I can't always have it up infront of what I have focus on. Such as now when I write this post.
This tool allows me to better enjoy eve without wasting hours looking at local when I could be making money to pay CCPs fees.
-Ben
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Zurrar
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.04.23 08:57:00 -
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wasnt GFL that cult that was raided in texas (yet again) this past month? |
eeevans
Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: MrYellow My eve-job is sitting in a system all day reporting any incoming.
My real-job at home and at work is programming.
This tool allows me to better enjoy eve without wasting hours looking at local when I could be making money to pay CCPs fees.
funny... so you play a game where you just reporting intel and you should be able to automate that process to a) increase you enjoyment of said reporting and b) earn cashmoneeeeey as a bedroom codemonkey in order to pay for your ability to do said reporting?
how ever did you cope last week when this tool wasn't available to bandwagoneers such as yourself? |
Maliber
TALON'S GRIP Green Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: RebelWithACause Trolling aside, let's look at the evidence:
4) BACON does not automate a thing. It presents information already available in a different way (audible vs visible). That's it. Defending CCP by saying that we shouldn't have released it because it uncovered a hole is silly. Security through obscurity never works, and we even specifically ASKED them about it BEFORE we released it. They could have said no then.
Others (constructive)?
I must disagree with this statement. It does automate a action: looking at local chat and prosessing the changes in local for you. followed by alerting you when a undesired change occors. Thus requiring LESS mental effort and/or capacity of the user. While the information is present you change it to require less effort.
Lets look up automation on wikipedia, i've enboldend the relevant sections: Automation (ancient Greek: = self dictated), roboticization[1] or industrial automation or numerical control is the use of control systems such as computers to control industrial machinery and processes, replacing human operators.[1] In the scope of industrialization, it is a step beyond mechanization. Whereas mechanization provided human operators with machinery to assist them with the physical requirements of work, automation greatly reduces the need for human sensory and mental requirements as well. Processes and systems can also be automated.
While you are correct on the fact that security trough obscurity never works. And i must say its good that you guys made it public. BUT this doesnt explain why you seem to be in favour of the use of such a "exploit/security hole". Its clear that it gains ppl already in a system a advantage and this is probably why there is a heated debate about it.
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MrYellow
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: eeevans funny... so you play a game where you just reporting intel and you should be able to automate that process to a) increase you enjoyment of said reporting and b) earn cashmoneeeeey as a bedroom codemonkey in order to pay for your ability to do said reporting?
Actually I'm a professional programmer with years of experiance but hey.....
My time is valuable. I want to play eve. However.... There isn't always much happening in eve depending on how quiet your area is.
So my enjoyment of the game and life is increased if I can be alerted when fun has arrived. Then I fight.
Currently I have many hours of being on TS and looking at local waiting for fun to arrive.
If I could go on with my life during those hours and then switch windows and start playing when there is some play to be had, that would be great.
CCP please implement these alerts as in-game features..... or just remove local altogether.
-Ben
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: MrYellow Actually I'm a professional programmer with years of experiance but hey.....
My time is valuable. I want to play eve. However.... There isn't always much happening in eve depending on how quiet your area is.
So my enjoyment of the game and life is increased if I can be alerted when fun has arrived. Then I fight.
Currently I have many hours of being on TS and looking at local waiting for fun to arrive.
If I could go on with my life during those hours and then switch windows and start playing when there is some play to be had, that would be great.
CCP please implement these alerts as in-game features..... or just remove local altogether.
-Ben
Maybe you should *gasp* go find fun for yourself instead of waiting for it to come to you? Or you could get a macro to do your pvp for you as you are so pressed for time.
Or, you could play a game that requires less time. After all, if you don't have time to play a game, you probably shouldn't.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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MrYellow
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:28:00 -
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Maybe defending space is more important/fun to me then griefing.
Each to their own, you're obviously upset that this prog allows some to have a slightly increased change of avoiding you trying to ruin their day.
-Ben
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eeevans
Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: MrYellow CCP please implement these alerts as in-game features..... or just remove local altogether.
hehe, so you want alerts; a ccp developed, in-built bacon, so you can "carry on with life" and "have fun" when "fun arrives"...
or...
you want to remove local completely... which is totally the same thing, right?
i'd love to see your code sometime :D
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.23 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ki An on 23/04/2008 09:39:15
Originally by: MrYellow Maybe defending space is more important/fun to me then griefing.
You're pretty dumb for a computer programmer. Don't they teach logic in computer programmer school?
Originally by: MrYellow
Each to their own, you're obviously upset that this prog allows some to have a slightly increased change of avoiding you trying to ruin their day.
Not upset at all, since CCP doesn't like this program and are working to make it useless.
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