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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.04.20 14:50:00 -
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Well, I suppose it would be useful to have some statistics on wars. I don't think that there have been any yet in any of the QENs, or anywhere else. Let's not derail the thread too much, though My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.20 14:53:00 -
[152]
I feel sorry for anyone who thinks they need a tool like this.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cori4n on 20/04/2008 15:14:34 I think this mass outcry is pretty funny considering that this stuff has been discussed for a long time in the EVE Technology Lab forum.
Besides, I don't think it breaks any "spirit of the game". On the contrary, I think that as long as an app can't perform any actions and just gets information from the client, then it ought to be fine and in fact encouraged.
In fact, I would say that there should be a "client side API" to allow this + more.
But you can flame me for that.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:10:00 -
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ok.. my opinion on this.
i dont give f*** if this is legal.. ccp compliant... transparent.. GPL...
it BREAKS the spirit of the game... its a MACRO...as it tells you stuff that you should have to check yourself otherways.
this thread should be nuked... the program or any of that kind should be made illegal.
whit a 3rd party app you can hack another app to use its functions and cheat even more.
im strongly against it... legal or not... it breaks the spirit of the game and should be banned from use. ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Undocumented worker
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Undocumented worker on 20/04/2008 15:15:07 I could make good use of this tool!!!!
Especially when La Migra comes poking around
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Karunel
Princeps Corp T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:24:00 -
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Hands down terrible. ____
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:30:00 -
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I am against this app! Be good for farmer in 0.0 and really I thought EVE was working on a team building? you sure wont need to with this!
I think only thing that's ok as a 3rd party program is evemon tells you when your skills trained and plan ahead. BACON give advantage to some player! and shouldn't too so Ambushing a corp that's mining in 0.0 is not gone! or at least ask what people think!
I think the CCP should of thought about this for a bit!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:36:00 -
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If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game.
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Exortius Amarrus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Exortius Amarrus I never thought i'd say this.
But **** bacon.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:46:00 -
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Im not a computer techie geek type person who understands programming and encryption or anything. So I wont say "turn off logs" or "encrypt logs" or suggest any technical solution, becuase Im smart enough to know when I dont know.
What I will say is, disable the method of getting this information. If encrypting logserver logs is the best way, then do this. As SOON AS ******* POSSIBLE. In the meantime ban the author of this program and in the next version of the EULA, explicitly forbid this sort of thing.
I cant imagine how ******* stupid you'd have to be to allow this sort of thing, let alone endorse it. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces |
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta In the meantime ban the author of this program and in the next version of the EULA, explicitly forbid this sort of thing.
Banning the author would be wrong. Just state that its not allowed and take steps to stop such programs from beeing developed.
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CogInTheWheel
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: LordMordred Edited by: LordMordred on 20/04/2008 08:28:47 The first thread was nuked it would seem.
So here we go again.
This is simply crap in a can.
There is no way this should ever be made legal by CCP. This will effectly make roaming very hard to catch people off guard. Tactics are ruined enough by local as it is.
On top of all that. THIS IS A MACRO. There is no ands, ifs, or buts about it. It may find a loop-hole in the EULA, it may not.... but it breaks the spirit of the game and this spirit of the EULA
Macro(in the sense we are talking about here): A program that does something automatically. It is third party software that gives an unfair advantage to people who want to play EVE with out paying attention to EVE.
If the first thread was nuked as a result of my reporting the thread... then I hope this one gets the same threatment and an official and timely reply from CCP on this matter be made.
I dont see it as a macro at all. IMO a macro as concerns MMOs actually have an effect on the game client, this does not. This simply converts a visual indicator (local etc) with audible indicators.
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Nicholai Stropkov
Article 58
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cori4n Edited by: Cori4n on 20/04/2008 15:19:07 Edited by: Cori4n on 20/04/2008 15:14:34 I think this mass outcry is pretty funny considering that this stuff has been discussed for a long time in the EVE Technology Lab forum.
Besides, I don't think it breaks any "spirit of the game". On the contrary, I think that as long as an app can't perform any actions and just gets information from the client, then it ought to be fine and in fact encouraged.
In fact, I would say that there should be a "client side API" to allow this + more.
But you can flame me for that.
EDIT2: Besides, macroers can already do this a heck of a lot easier, BACON on the other hand causes lag and is a pain to use, because it has to abide by the eula
best post in ****ty thread
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QuantumX
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: El Yatta Im not a computer techie geek type person who understands programming and encryption or anything. So I wont say "turn off logs" or "encrypt logs" or suggest any technical solution, becuase Im smart enough to know when I dont know.
What I will say is, disable the method of getting this information. If encrypting logserver logs is the best way, then do this. As SOON AS ******* POSSIBLE. In the meantime ban the author of this program and in the next version of the EULA, explicitly forbid this sort of thing.
I cant imagine how ******* stupid you'd have to be to allow this sort of thing, let alone endorse it.
/agree ========================== I came i saw i got blown up!
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Koala Bare Edited by: Koala Bare on 20/04/2008 14:15:40
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Cesar Malari
BACON's method of interaction with the log server and logs are EULA and TOS compliant and approved by CCP. Please see this thread for further information. (Specifically, CCP Lingorm and CCP Grimmi's statements)
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Please do not take this as CCP approval
False advertisement. This program has NOT been approved by CCP.
Please let's try and stay constructive, as opposed to just quoting in and out arbitrarily based solely on private opinions (though tbh we're in agreement on the concept). This is yet another major milestone for EVE, and should be handled with care by everyone for that reason.
Originally by: GM Grimmi There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate.
It's only a few posts further in that thread.
I am being constructive..Nowhere does it say that this is approved by CCP. All they've said is that as far as the TOS and EULA goes, it SEEMS to be okay, but it's still under investigation. This is a simple fact, and therefor false advertisement.
As far as your concern regarding my personal opinion, don't be alarmed, I have nothing against this particular piece of software at all. I'm just stating things the way they are.
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Howling Jinn
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:16:00 -
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wow, all these leet pvp'ers complaining about a program which helps ratters and miners mostly.
yeah all we are looking for are good fights.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:27:00 -
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I must say I am a tad disappointed as I came here looking for new insight regarding my favorite pork product.
This tool is a great idea, if for no other reason it (combined with other recent events) may make CCP actually reexamine its game client code and what gets exposed or is exposable.
My crystal and tinfoil ball are telling me the ability for this application to gather the data it uses will either get nerfed, or, CCP will open the client up to visual layout/data organization mods.
However, which do you think is more likely to happen here? /rhetorical
At least I have chicken |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:45:00 -
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Incidentally, adding in-game alert sounds to Local would be the simplest job in the world. CCP could implement this "important intel gathering tool", integrated in to the EVE client, with almost no work.
So why don't they? Laziness? Didn't think of it?
Maybe - just maybe - they didn't put this in to the game because they do not think it'd be good for the game. Maybe they think (well, no maybe about it, it's been discussed by the Devs plenty) that Local is already an extremely powerful intel tool, and that it does not need it's functionality boosted.
And maybe if the Devs don't think it's a good idea, then it isn't a good idea. Maybe BACON needs killing before it digs itself in too deep and forces CCP to make a policy change, as bookmark instas did.
TBH, I eagerly await a more in-depth Dev response to this and other questions, if and when they're due... ------
Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 20/04/2008 16:55:09 Ug, the insane amount of meta-gaming in EVE is un**ckingbelievable.
I'm no Pirate or roaming Nannophagger, but this is just wrong.
A program that makes it easier to avoid a fight? That provides intel effortlessly, thus bypassing the need for an Intel channel and other players?
Bahahahaha CCP will end up nukeing this, eventually.
Also this...
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Lisento Slaven What else can a player monitor through the logserver?
Question of the year.
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Aiolos Caci
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.20 16:59:00 -
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You Dear Sir win the internet medal of the year for the most unnecessary, lame, macro-enabling ghey, taliban-sponsored addy EVE has seen in 2008. Congratulations, let those macro miners, macro-ratters, and macro-whatever-else-they-can-do-afk do it with a peace of mind. Truly a great approach to the game that you're supposedly playing and paying attention to.
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Karentaki
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:01:00 -
[171]
TBH I don't understand why this hasn't been declared an exploit already. It is only slightly less game-breaking than macro-mining software, and it will totally kill roaming gang piracy if everyone starts using it. There have been several threads already made pointing out all the implications this tool has on the game such as real-time maps of hostiles in entire regions. CCP just stop this now, please, before it gets out of control. ========== This is a signature, a cunning ploy used by forum warriors! |
jongalt
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:02:00 -
[172]
LOL.
by the reactions in this thread, youd think elvis thrusted his pelvis for the first time.
-jg.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:06:00 -
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yet more reason why local needs to go. ...
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:22:00 -
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This sort of thing is getting out of hand.
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Elise Randolph on 20/04/2008 17:23:28 PROTIP: The smart farmers - the ones who manage multiple accounts - have very probably been using this **** for years. Anybody who has lived in 0.0 and seen the Ravens piloted by "SwindWater8657"* know what I'm talking about. Thank you for making this cluster**** so ridiculously high profile that CCP needs to react and fix their code so this can't be done anymore.
This program doesn't really DO anything or affect gameplay that much, sure the truly stupid people dying may diminish a little bit, but anyone with half a brain responds to local. Siigari said that he was ice mining in low sec and saw local go up, recognized it, and consciously decided not to move, but if he heard a ping or some alarm that he would have. That's utter bull**** and you know it. What this tool does do is help the real cancer of EVE, and that is isk farmers and macro miners. So thanks, BACON-makers, for making everyone realize that this exists.
tl;dr: I WAS SAVING THAT BACON
*Edit: Apologies to SwindWater8657 if you exist and you aren't an isk farmer.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Koro Kar'Amarr Remove BACON Remove Local
Constellation is local enough.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i'm not a very good gambler
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Cesar Malari
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hai and tanks for the porduct. I am loking at bacon for educasiomal use and I can't donwload the src for 1.0.0.2. I thikn the link is damiged. Pls fix, tansk. Keep up the gut work and ignore the bad kritics.
Sorry about that -- in the hurry to patch up and get 1.0.0.2 out the door, I forgot to grab the source and move it over. The source for 1.0.0.2 is there now. Guess it shows why I shouldn't be allowed to touch the website at that hour of the morning. |
Xerith
Gallente AnTi.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Koro Kar'Amarr Remove BACON Remove Local
Constellation is local enough.
Really wish this would happen, but I doubt it. Would make the game way more interesting if they did. |
Vincent S
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:32:00 -
[179]
I hope this gets banned instantly and you too for releasing it! |
Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.04.20 17:35:00 -
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So this is how hydra allways managed to dock up in a instance when we came roaming, damn i hope this get stopped by ccp. |
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