• Dont fly solo (But kind of stoopid to say since drone boats can fly in gangs as well)

• Fit Smartbombs

• Fit ECCM modules

• Have a support ship fitting Projected ECCM

Originally by: General Coochie

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Edited by: General Coochie on 21/04/2008 09:21:53
Edited by: General Coochie on 21/04/2008 08:47:18

Originally by: Corstaad

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We did some testing last night and there was no noticable difference with the racial ECCM fitted against light ecm drones. Funny thing was mid fight I switched to a old drones overview setting and proceeded to wtf destroy my own drones .

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So in your testing did you also count the number of jams vs a target? Cause I did today.

Thorax vs my alts harbinger (16 sensor strength which is high compared to minmatar cruisers I admit).

Test lasted 16min.
I used 5 medium ECM drones.
Harbinger was fit 7 heavy beam, ab, ship scan, 3 heatsinks, 2 tracking enhancers, 1 DCU II

Total cycles: 48
Nr of successful jam cycles: 16
Nr of unsuccessful jam cycles: 32
Time jammed: 320 sec or 5min
Time not jammed: 640 sec or 10min.

Chance of jam: 16/48 = 1/3 = 33% Or once every minute. Which means that in general you wont get first jam with 5 medium ECM drones until after 40sec. note that EFT lists 5 med ecm drones chance to jam a harbinger to 38.5% fairly accurate indeed.

If this was my thorax vs my own thorax fighting, same fitting. (5 electron II 2 magstabs II)

DPS ECM drones saved me from during these 16min: 124480
DPS damage drones would have done in these 16min: 151680

So why do I use ECM drones myeslf? Well if I am loosing / cant get close to a nanod target / etc, and get a jam cycle I can warp out.

Versatility > DPS

But in PvP performance 1v1 dps drones have advantage over ECM drones if not fit full gank, but thats irrelevant as a gank setup will die to a non gank setup. Also once dps drones has aggrod ECM drones they go down quick.

ECM drones also enables you to have luck and take on targets you otherwise would have lost against. However you can also have bad luck and not get a jam for 2min during that time ure ECM drones should be dead.

Now you some might say that ECM drones are superior as it enables say 5 thorax to easy take down a battleship without him locking.

Interesting facts then

5 thorax global jam chance against a megathron: 84.3% according to quick fit

A blackbirds chance to jam a megathron with 5 multispecs and 2 signal amps: 88%

Switching one rax for a blackbird looses you 530 turret dps if they are fully gank fitted with full skills (unlikely),

The 4 thoraxes left uses dps drones and gets 632 more dps.

And to end my post: How to handle ECM drones. Watch garmon's pvp video named Garmonation 2. In the very start he kills a deimos with ECM drones using a rupture with ECM drones. In response to "My rupture always looses to a thorax with ECM drones"

Yes gallente has bigger drone bays, minmatar has lesser sensor strength. But PvP has more to it then that. Like choosing dmg type so you can tear a HAC apart, and using neuts and nos to disable your opponent cause ure guns aren't using cap.

Then again its so easy blaming you loosing on "I was perma jammed the whole fight". So do you really want ECM drones nerfed? Cause it sure is an easy way explaining your looses..

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Originally by: Corstaad

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This is not suppose to be ECM nerf thread.

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