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Segge Bolled
Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.27 10:30:00 -
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Once or twice only, since Trinity I think, I've seen the route generated by autopilot be a little odd. For example, the "prefer safest route" wanting to send me through some low security instead of high security as it should. Or "prefer less secure" settings trying to send me on a pilgrimage across the galaxy when "shortest route" cuts the trip by more than half and still doesn't involve any 0.0 or high security.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.27 11:45:00 -
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One of the few things in eve that ISNT buggy as hell is the autopilot. :P
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Cori4n
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.27 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth * The overview settings restore to the latest used on log-in when you undock. This means that if I have my PvP setting that only show hostiles and dock up, then go to rat and set my setting to show NPC's and wrecks.. next time I exit the station my PvP setting is back and I have to 'load up' the old setting. It also means it's no point for me using brackets, as I have to restore settings by rightclicking and chose a saved setting each time I swap brackets.. which.. is.. exactly the same thing I do when rightclicking to swap settings already, so the brackets are 100% useless.
Switching to a tab with some chosen bracket/overview settings (even if it requires switching to another and back) should avoid this...
Amiwrong?
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Pwnage Distribution Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.27 12:55:00 -
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Before you all keep trolling or laughing at the OP with, "well you shouldn't have been afk", or when you all stretch it all to "well you should have had an alt scout, and another alt webbing you, and you should've had 10 battleships protecting you etc..." I'd like to note that they do have a very valid point about the autopilot system, it's a piece of crap, I don't use it anymore.
The security status filter doesn't work (lost a cheap ship in a 1.0 sec system due to my security status, I wasn't afk just very surprised and couldn't get it out again as it was webbed immediately), and as we've seen a lot of aspects of the autopilot/course plotting are either very inefficient or broken altogether.
For this reason the OP does have my sympathy, especially for quite a hefty loss, although personally for such a valuable shipment I would've kept an eye on where it was going every so often. I'm not sure if I entirely believe the OPs story, it may have been exaggerated, sounds a lot like they just had lowsec systems on the end of a route that was too long to show correctly on the starmap.
Anyway I don't use the ingame nav route planning anymore, it's a piece of junk, use this link in your ingame browser if you want to plot a route that actually works or a route that's actually more to your benefit.
http://eve.grismar.net/navigator/index.php
You can tell it to avoid single systems, to avoid certain security levels, and much more. Brilliant tool by all means.
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aLtErEgO1982
Caldari The Knighthawks
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Posted - 2008.04.27 13:36:00 -
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.04.27 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
* The overview settings restore to the latest used on log-in when you undock.
There is a new tab in your overviewsettings where you can assign presets to tabs. You have to set those overviewsettings to tabs in this menue, and the tabs will reset to these settings everytime you switch or dock.
To the op: Ouch. As this could happen to me too, i wish you luck with your petition. (i don't fly afk, ever. But i normally set a route with an overview that only shows gates, and just click warp/jump while i do something else on my second monitor. That way i could accidently fly into lowsec too without noticing..)
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 27/04/2008 14:15:35 How vexing.
Well I have noticed on occasion that when I've changed the setting of the autopilot from shorter to safer it hasn't updated the plotted route till I waggled the slider on the autopilot settings back and forth so I agree it does "stick" on occasion.
What I haven't noticed is the plotted route differing from my current setting although that said I tend to check long routes in the map screen anyway.
Seconding Grismar's Navigator as my autopilot route plotter of choice... although it'd be very fiddly manually setting 35 WPs. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Rutoo
Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:34:00 -
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I'm going to guess the OP messed up. he said he checked the first few dots and that was it.
More Often than not people try and blame their mistake on someone or something else.
I often semi-afk 2-3 haulers and one freighter Around EVE space and never once have i ended up going to a low sec or a system i didn't want.
Make sure "Avoid Systems where pod killing has occurred" is not checked also Cause thats the only thing that will change your route all of a sudden (and probably your case) _________________________________________________________ My Second EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.04.27 14:45:00 -
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I'm sorry but how do you not notice lowsec-colored dots on your autopilot?
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Aria Vetronas
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Posted - 2008.04.27 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Vetronas on 27/04/2008 18:34:37 as i've said before ppl i had been travelling the exact same route for 2 days before hand and had become quite familiar with it and so i can assure you that on the true "prefer safe" route thare are NO systems lower than 0.5, not hidden in the middle, at the end, or anywhere...
in this case the first few systems were green and being that i had travelled the route many times over the previous 48 hours i thot it not necessary to open the starmap once more, but the first several systems visible were all green and consistent with what i'd travelled so i had no reason to suspect that the route would part with the one i'd been travelling many times over just a few systems beyond what i could see
yes i know now to check the route in starmap last once more...
rutoo, i never blamed anyone else for the fact that the charon got blown up, the point of this whole post is that IF the autopilot hadn't messed up, i would have never been in the situation to worry about the charon blowing up, charon blowing up is completely a separate issue from the creation of the circumstances that led to its demise, this has has also never happened to me before, hence i had no reason not to trust the autopilot, lets check the knowns:
1) previously travelled, known to be completely safe route 2) i trusted the autopilot (my mistake) 3) i also went semi afk, like i said i alt tabbed, its not like i went on vacation... 4) a few minutes later pirates were showing how pro they could be at blowing up a charon...
i know its a chore ppl but please read at the very least all my previous posts because i've already addressed all these issues...
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Khorin D'tael
Caldari D'tael Contracts
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Posted - 2008.04.27 18:42:00 -
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Exactly the same thing has happened to me except I saw 2 jumps out I was going to end up in those lowsec systems around Rancer and corrected it.
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Joe schmuckatelli
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Posted - 2008.04.27 18:56:00 -
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I may know the origin of the bug you describe. I have had similar autopilot bugs on several occasions.
If you have a destination set, and are looking at the Solar System Map. If you change autopilot settings from prefer safer to prefer shorter (or vice versa), the route will not change. This may result into heading into a system that should not be enroute with the actual autopilot settings.
The problem you have is likely related to this bug.
I have noticed other bugs with autopilot, such as it shutting off on its own. Or even warping to a gate, but not approaching it, even though autopilot is still on. The ship will just sit there indefinitely with autopilot on, and more hops to the destination.
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Cybele Lanier
Amarr The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.27 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx I'm sorry but how do you not notice lowsec-colored dots on your autopilot?
Happened to me sometimes when it was a 20+ jump trip, and the last few systems were lowsec. --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence." |
Lisento Slaven
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.27 20:13:00 -
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I rarely turn on autopilot anymore these days. But the routes I get for set destination are always accurate and consistent with "Prefer shorter" or "prefer safer" and the security thing set to 1.
On a side note I have yet to see the security slider effect my routes in the slightest...no idea how that thing works.
On another side note I would ask all the tools in this thread to re-read his post. He's been running this route for two days with prefer safer and going on autopilot. For some reason it apparently ran him into a low-sec system (that is not on the route) as if he had prefer shorter instead of safer set, when he indeed had safer set.
That right there is a bug if you know for a fact your route is 100% safe and you can confirm you were on "safer" and not "shorter". ---
Put in space whales!
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.04.28 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx I'm sorry but how do you not notice lowsec-colored dots on your autopilot?
35 jump route. EVE RELATED CONTENT |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.04.28 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Vetronas i panicked and close the program immediately but if course that did me no good, awhile later when i logged back on, i saw my pod warping back to the scene of my charon's demise, and no sooner did i finish warping back in than i got podded by multiple smartbombs going off... and the next thing i saw was the station where my clone was...
1) unlucky with the autoplitot
2) Congratualtions to the guy who waitied at your log off spot with smartbombs for podding a logger.
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Felix Underwood
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Posted - 2008.04.28 07:02:00 -
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1st off, i am a friend with author.
2nd this isn't a post to argue how to fly a freighter it is about a bug that contributed to the loss of a ship.
3rd I have had this same problem, maybe 3-4 times. The 1st semi afk, and I was reading and watching what was going on. I caught it and didn't lose my shuttle, thank god, have you seen there price lately. Ever since then when I set my route I double check the route. Only thing I have found was to log and start up.
4th Good luck working with the GM's.
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Evita Achura
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.28 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Vetronas
If a bug or glitch in the game caused someone a loss, it is arguable whether or not it should be reimbursed, however it is not your call, if i wish to petition it, there is nothing for you to say on the matter...
I would say you are wasting time GM's could be putting to use on less trivial issues for starters. You state that it was set to prefer safe but you make no mention of whether you checked the slider or indicated in what position it was in. If you left it set in the wrong place, and you will pardon if I don't remember whether + or - is the correct setting for care bearing, then you could easily have still gone into lowsec. Doubly so if you made the mistake of clicking optimize route at any point in time after selecting your route and before closing the map window. But you don't address any of those issues which again leads me to believe this is more likely a matter of afk luser failure on your part and a waste of time. I look forward to contributing more non "real" posts to your thread.
Stand tall proud troll.
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Aion Amarra
Minmatar Ascent of Ages Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.04.28 09:09:00 -
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Curiously enough, I had the very same problem a few days ago when plotting a freighter course myself. The AP plotted a course through lowsec even though the AP was set to prefer safe. Thankfully, I noticed right away, but it took me several minutes of fiddling with the map to finally get it to plot the safe route (in the end, jerking the tolerance slider back and forth did the job, even though I reset it to the same value it had previously been at...).
Was the first and only time that this happened to me, and so far I couldn't reproduce it. This also happened after flying a route for the third time in one day.
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Willford Bremly
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.04.28 10:59:00 -
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People still use AP?
Your flying an expensive freighter, next time take the 3 seconds to F10 and check your course. »\(¦_o)/»
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/04/2008 11:11:58 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/04/2008 11:09:58 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/04/2008 11:09:14 How come you didn't *see* low-sec systems (red dots) on the upper left side of your screen after you've set the route?
I mean, it's hard to miss.
Edit: ah, read it, 35 jump route.
Ah, well. AFK AP-ing might kill you in high-sec too, it's how things are. Still strange AP didn't work properly though.
Very unlikely they'll do anything with the petition though, since even a screenshot of settings doesn't mean anything (you could've changed them afterwards).
That said, CCP likes breaking things bad on patches and stuff. I remember losing a ship+pod once because combat recons were magically off overview... maybe should've petitioned it, but it was a frigate and no implants, so wasn't too fussed about it.
Originally by: Misanth
* The overview settings restore to the latest used on log-in when you undock. This means that if I have my PvP setting that only show hostiles and dock up, then go to rat and set my setting to show NPC's and wrecks.. next time I exit the station my PvP setting is back and I have to 'load up' the old setting. It also means it's no point for me using brackets, as I have to restore settings by rightclicking and chose a saved setting each time I swap brackets.. which.. is.. exactly the same thing I do when rightclicking to swap settings already, so the brackets are 100% useless.
Omg, this is the most annoying thing ever, anywhere.
I so like the idea of brackets, it's just that they don't work at all. Seriously, whoever does testing for patches really really fails at his job.
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:13:00 -
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check your autpilot security slider is at max. but i doubt a gm will or should reimburse as it wasnt a server problem. If you hadnt gone afk u would have noticed your death.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:30:00 -
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Whenever you change anything on your (autopilot) route, hit "optimize" - because only then the route is actually calculated again. Changing from "prefer safer" to "prefer shorter" or vice versa doesn't seem to update the route. I have made it a custom to always press the optimize button before leaving, to force an update. -------------------------------------------------- I'm a rich person. How I know? I can afford to be a miner. |
Ordon Gundar
Caldari Impending Doom Inc. The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:41:00 -
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I dont know if this is anything to do with some settings somewhere, but I really hate the way the autopilot always warps to 20km from a gate, and then flies in. It makes a 5 gate jump take twice the time than if I am doing it manually using Warp to Zero. I can warp straight in and jump straight away.
Why does the autopilot warp in so short?
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ordon Gundar Why does the autopilot warp in so short?
To make manual warping worth-while.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:46:00 -
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BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! *points and laughs at the OP really really hard*
U got pwned cuz u were too lazy to babysit ur precious cargo u *insert degenerative word here* and now u come to the forums to complain about it.
It would have been even funnier if someone had suicide ganked u in hi sec.
I hope u lost a lot of stuff and made some people in criel happy. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.28 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 U got pwned cuz u were too lazy to babysit ur precious cargo u *insert degenerative word here* and now u come to the forums to complain about it.
Maybe you should actually read the post...
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Evita Achura
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.29 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ordon Gundar I dont know if this is anything to do with some settings somewhere, but I really hate the way the autopilot always warps to 20km from a gate, and then flies in. It makes a 5 gate jump take twice the time than if I am doing it manually using Warp to Zero. I can warp straight in and jump straight away.
Why does the autopilot warp in so short?
So pirates can blow you up if you are dumb enough to autopilot.
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