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Leina Kubyeshev	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:09:00 - [1] I strongly believe that the development of economical sustainable energy, and its immediate utilization is of the utmost importance to the continuance of our society and its stable lifestyle. Currently, I believe that sustainable energy is the most important aspect of sustainability in general that the world is faced with. Past generations have grown up in a world of relative stability at the cost of the depletion of many of the worldÆs resources for energy. Existing environmental practices have to be changed, quickly, or our civilization is in jeopardy of falling apart. While some sustainable energy sources have been developed, they have proved to be uneconomical on the large scale up to now, and in a capitalist economy will go nowhere until more cost efficient sources such as fusion power are utilized. It is my belief that fusion power, once developed, is the only source of power that will allow the continuation of our heavily energy dependent lifestyle while, at the same time, being cost effective. EvE here we come. Just hope we figure the science out behind the concept.
Dengen Krastinov	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:12:00 - [2] While I was barely able to see the connection here I do realize the importance of an infinite energy source. Fusion technology is required for the space travel of the future. I too would like to see our society one step closer to EvE. Cheers.
Leina Kubyeshev	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:16:00 - [3] Thank you. Pardon me the post kinda seems like it came out of nowhere doesn't it? It's a good topic to discuss seeing as Earth is at a tipping point.

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Chris Liath	Posted - 2008.04.28 18:21:00 - [5] I also believe that we will have to use fission heavily at first, in order to sustain our lifestyle. It's the only stuff that gives 'nuff punch, relatively cheap and doesn't frak up zee environment. (Chernobyl'll never happen again, come on.) Hopefully we'll develop fusion after that, and energy problems will be solved. Imagine, practically the power of a star in your backyard. And for what? Hydrogen! Which we have loads of, to say the least ^^ CERN is working on a plasma fusion reactor as we speak, and I do believe some of the reactors have reached the rumoured zero-point, where energy in=energy out. Our only problem is sustaining the reaction.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.04.28 18:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Chris Liath I also believe that we will have to use fission heavily at first, in order to sustain our lifestyle. It's the only stuff that gives 'nuff punch, relatively cheap and doesn't frak up zee environment. (Chernobyl'll never happen again, come on.) Even Chernobyl wouldn't have happened but for the awful design of the reactor and the ineptitude of its staffers. Originally by: Chris Liath Hopefully we'll develop fusion after that, and energy problems will be solved. Imagine, practically the power of a star in your backyard. And for what? Hydrogen! Which we have loads of, to say the least ^^ I still don't think we're gonna see fusion in my lifetime (I am 20, for reference). Perhaps if I live to the 2060s. Originally by: Chris Liath CERN is working on a plasma fusion reactor as we speak, and I do believe some of the reactors have reached the rumoured zero-point, where energy in=energy out. Our only problem is sustaining the reaction. I haven't heard of any reactors that have reached breakeven yet. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:13:00 - [7] I believe there was one design for a fusion reactor that actual created energy from the reaction, but it required massive (when compared to what we have available) amounts of some rare elements. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Chris Liath	Posted - 2008.04.28 20:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Chris Liath on 28/04/2008 20:41:34 Originally by: pwnedgato I believe there was one design for a fusion reactor that actual created energy from the reaction, but it required massive (when compared to what we have available) amounts of some rare elements. Fusion only requires hydrogen which through the reaction is merged into helium. o_O' But the actual materials for the reactor can get quite expensive, yes.
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.29 09:44:00 - [9] We already have zero-point technology through hydrogen and electricity. It's funny, because the inventor of the original design was ~~murdered~~ killed in an accident before he could release the design to the masses. It has taken people decades just to reverse-engineer the design through concepts, and with the help of the internet, there's no way to suppress the technology. Look up zero-point or hydrogen energy on youtube, and you will see working machines that, while offering little output, produce more energy than they consume, and are completely self-sustaining. The machines look very similar to the large tanks you see in the movie "Chain Reaction," which is really cool. Also check out water-powered cars, and the Tesla Roadster. Very neat stuff! ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Sodium Phosphate Gallente Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.29 12:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Christopher Scott We already have zero-point technology through hydrogen and electricity. It's funny, because the inventor of the original design was ~~murdered~~ killed in an accident before he could release the design to the masses. It has taken people decades just to reverse-engineer the design through concepts, and with the help of the internet, there's no way to suppress the technology. Look up zero-point or hydrogen energy on youtube, and you will see working machines that, while offering little output, produce more energy than they consume, and are completely self-sustaining. The machines look very similar to the large tanks you see in the movie "Chain Reaction," which is really cool. Gimme a source and a name, otherwise I'll still believe in the conservation of energy.

Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.29 13:48:00 - [11] Originally by: pwnedgato I believe there was one design for a fusion reactor that actual created energy from the reaction, but it required massive (when compared to what we have available) amounts of some rare elements. There are several different kinds of fusion reactions that can be performed if you have the right sorts of fuel. You're probably thinking of fusion with helium-3. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Chris Liath	Posted - 2008.04.29 17:26:00 - [12] You can actually use any fuel you want. It's just about merging atoms into a heavier atom. In order to do so effectively, you'll need fuel that has few nuclei, e.g. hydrogen into helium. It goes the other way around with fission, where you have heavy atoms like plutonium, which turn into uranium, thorium and so on. What's similar for both nuclear reactions is that it gives energy up to Iron. So you can either merge atoms up to iron, or split atoms down to iron. This is also the point where every star dies, when the reaction reaches iron.
Zora Xen	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:05:00 - [13] Do you guys think interstellar travel is realistically possible though? And if it were possible...could our bodies withstand the forces? Unless we end up rewriting the physics books, develop some very exotic technologies or morph our consciousness into something else altogether I get a little depressed with regard to full-scale interstellar travel listening to physicists talk about it.
Admus Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.29 19:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Admus on 29/04/2008 19:15:23 Originally by: Christopher Scott ...you will see working machines that, while offering little output, produce more energy than they consume... This is impossible. You cannot create a perpetual motion machine, so to speak. It violates the second law of thermodynamics; it is analogous to trying to refrigerate a room by lighting a fire in it. Heat only flows one way, and energy is no different. Originally by: Christopher Scott Also check out water-powered cars, and the Tesla Roadster. Very neat stuff! That said, there are some very cool alternatives. The Tesla Roadster is one awesome machine. ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.04.30 07:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Zora Xen Do you guys think interstellar travel is realistically possible though? And if it were possible...could our bodies withstand the forces? Unless we end up rewriting the physics books, develop some very exotic technologies or morph our consciousness into something else altogether I get a little depressed with regard to full-scale interstellar travel listening to physicists talk about it. Accelerating at 9.8m/s/s gives you just beneath the speed of light in under a year. We have the technology now, its just too expensive to build. They would need to lift it into space (could be done with nukes, drop a few nukes beneath it and ride the shockwave, wrinse and repeat), then have an engine powerful enough to get it up to speeds acceptable for interstellar flight. For stars close to us, maybe C/2 would be acceptable. Engines needed would be fusion rockets - and one mother of a fuel tank to accelerate both the mass of the fuel tank and habitation module. I have no idea what the numbers involved are, but I am 80% certain with current tech it could theoreticly be built, just highly impracticle. All in all I would expect a one way trip on the fuel to a system, thats 2 burns of ramping up to speed then decelerating, after that..... hope to god theres a Hydrogen based gas giant in the system and that you brought decent processing equipment Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Admus This is impossible. You cannot create a perpetual motion machine, so to speak. It violates the second law of thermodynamics; it is analogous to trying to refrigerate a room by lighting a fire in it. Heat only flows one way, and energy is no different. I'm sorry for necro'ing a thread a month old, but I think this is very important. The technology does exist, it is on youtube as we speak, it is very simple to make, and it does not involve perpetual motion. It involves using electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen/oxygen, and absorbing the electrons that are released. Through reverse-engineering the original design, people have found ways to output more electricity than is used to sustain the reaction. It is a self-sustaining device that creates 'free energy.' It's important that everyone knows about what's going on with the technology, so that it isn't silenced by those who want to destroy it. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Jastra Stardream Research	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:36:00 - [17] absorbing article in New Scientist about the investment silicon valley people are now making in renewable enrgy as they see it as the next huge growth are, interesting to note they dismissed nuclear as the innovation time was too long (i.e you could develop three new technologies and get them to market in the time it took to build a reactor Solar is the way to go
Havok Dryke Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Havok Dryke on 01/06/2008 08:39:03 Originally by: Christopher Scott Originally by: Admus This is impossible. You cannot create a perpetual motion machine, so to speak. It violates the second law of thermodynamics; it is analogous to trying to refrigerate a room by lighting a fire in it. Heat only flows one way, and energy is no different. I'm sorry for necro'ing a thread a month old, but I think this is very important. The technology does exist, it is on youtube as we speak, it is very simple to make, and it does not involve perpetual motion. It involves using electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen/oxygen, and absorbing the electrons that are released. Through reverse-engineering the original design, people have found ways to output more electricity than is used to sustain the reaction. It is a self-sustaining device that creates 'free energy.' It's important that everyone knows about what's going on with the technology, so that it isn't silenced by those who want to destroy it. Then link it. When making a statement, the onus is on you to prove it's true Searching Youtube by ourselves is time-consuming and would require hours of sifting out tinfoil theories, whereas you apparently have the link already. --- Kaboom: The process by which large objects are broken down into many small objects. Originally by: Alz Shado Chribba doesn't mine Veldspar -- the ore offers itself to him in tribute.
TimMc Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.06.01 09:06:00 - [19] Edited by: TimMc on 01/06/2008 09:07:02 Originally by: Sodium Phosphate Originally by: Christopher Scott We already have zero-point technology through hydrogen and electricity. It's funny, because the inventor of the original design was ~~murdered~~ killed in an accident before he could release the design to the masses. It has taken people decades just to reverse-engineer the design through concepts, and with the help of the internet, there's no way to suppress the technology. Look up zero-point or hydrogen energy on youtube, and you will see working machines that, while offering little output, produce more energy than they consume, and are completely self-sustaining. The machines look very similar to the large tanks you see in the movie "Chain Reaction," which is really cool. Gimme a source and a name, otherwise I'll still believe in the conservation of energy. The N4zi's supposibly started the Zero Point energy research, along with alot of other energy and various strange research during the wartime. However its all up to debate, most of us don't believe it, the rest of you think the oil companies are doing a good cover up job. Edit: Why the **** is N4zi a starred out work?
Lal QelThyr Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.01 09:29:00 - [20] Edited by: Lal QelThyr on 01/06/2008 09:35:00 I believe you are refering to this? Nice Law of Thermodynamics, we'll take it Also, we have to make sure no mention of N4zi's ever exists. If it does, then the little kiddies brains will be warped! Like what happens when they play Doom. P.S, Until I see a scientifically performed experiment using this technology (Not just the inventor showing it off without any examination of whether or not it was actually using the Water Cell), I will think its a load of phowey. (- Dev Protective Shield. My sig is invincible! -)

goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.01 09:35:00 - [21] Well, we know how to do it...It just takes too much energy. Instead of thinking of the long term, think of the shortterm solution whilst working on the longterm ie- Wind. Solar. Geothermal. fission. These are the best we can get in the form of useability and bang for a buck, as for cars, the price of electricity would go down therefore electric cars. Longterm would look like. Fusion. Antimatter. Slave sun. Graviton. ?Different dimensional energy? After all this, the best way to get energy is to drain it from another universe...Ofcourse this is theoretical.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 01/06/2008 11:01:41 Ok, they are called HHO generators, and are exploding in popularity. There's many different prototypes, so search for HHO generators on youtube. HHO Generators, link for the lazy. Now, this method of zero-point comes from an HHO generator producing more energy than required to sustain itself. The first one built, or at least made famous, was by Stan Meyer, who was ahem killed in a mysterious car accident. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcy3JbGjQwo And since then, many people have tried to reverse-engineer the design, through various working, and the best one's I have seen are actually using plates instead of tubes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=QpQHIO2kw58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSwHO0aXba4 And while there are tube versions that mimic the original design, I see them built mainly for raw output of HHO, which are retrofitted to car engines to make them run on water. Oversimplifying it, a water car is basically an HHO generator feeding oxygen-rich hydrogen (called browns gas) into a normal combustion engine. Of course, it involves much more than that, but it's too much to type.. Edit: Ok, this guy apparently has a copy of the original meyer patent, and is having much more success at using the original tube design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw&feature=related ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
pwnedgato	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:01:00 - [23] Sustainable energy? Hmm... I have an idea for that... Cannibal hamsters. They produce electricity on their little wheels and feed off of their own dead. You would just need to train them to sustain a population that meets all generation needs. Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
Kyrall Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Kyrall on 01/06/2008 19:25:36 Originally by: Christopher Scott it does not involve perpetual motion. Originally by: Christopher Scott It is a self-sustaining device that creates 'free energy.' Do you actually know what "perpetual motion" means? If it creates "free energy", then it does involve perpetual motion, it does contradict the laws of thermodynamics and it is one of the following: scam/deception/misunderstanding/mistake. [edit: I guess "joke" should be added to the list as well really.] My Physics degree allows me to state this without reading anything other than what you have just posted. Seriously, if it was real then people would have been making a lot of fuss about it, if not in the mainstream press then at least in technical circles. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misunderstood or have been deceived. Don't worry about it, these things keep coming up all the time. Steorn anybody? - Originally by: Kyrall Pfft antivirus? Real men use a hard drive tank.
Sigma Dryke Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.01 19:56:00 - [25] FYI Stanly Meyer apparently died of a cerebral aneurism, not of a car crash.
Jonny Lumi PRIMOS LOCOS Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.06.01 20:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Kyrall If it creates "free energy", then it does involve perpetual motion, it does contradict the laws of thermodynamics and it is one of the following: scam/deception/misunderstanding/mistake. [edit: I guess "joke" should be added to the list as well really.] I'm guessing that it produces enough energy to be (sort of) self-sustained, but you still need to add the water ( = energy source ) to it. So not actually free energy. --


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