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Taron Phae
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:00:00 -
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End game is a relative term. To me this will be the perfect, or ultimate nightmare build, but I am having issues with the idea behind it. What would this setup look like? What officers stuff should be included? Or...keep it true TS?
Thoughts? Ideas? Pricing estimates?
Thanks!
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Lona Lwyd
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:19:00 -
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Minmatar is end game
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Bertn Erney
The Fudge Packers Union
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:22:00 -
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if that is your endgame you will get bored with this game quick.
I would recommend just playing the game and finding out what you enjoy flying and keep the endgame considerations as only background speculation until you have enough wealth to get what you want and then make the decision.
doing it the other way around can lead to disapointment when you get what you wanted and it isnt what you want.
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Taron Phae
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Posted - 2008.05.01 22:50:00 -
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Alright...how about a chapter in my life then, forget about the endgame aspect.
What is the ultimate Nightmare build?
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Hydrian Alante
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.01 23:56:00 -
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Laz0rs!!!!!!11one pew pew
If you are ever in the position to buy and properly fit a Nightmare you should have enough experience to find out a fitting that suits you without aksing others for help. If not, then you fail and should go back to WoW.
And even then, there are no ultimate fittings on ships. Every Pilot takes his ship to another part of the game and every pilot has personal preferences on how to fit out his/her ship.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.02 03:24:00 -
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Id go with something like this...
4x amarr navy tachyon beam laser 2x other junk
100mn ab domination web *cap junk as needed* *TC's in spare slots*
deadspace/storyline LAR 2x officer/deadspace hardeners 2x heatsinks
Whatever rigs you want. |
Taron Phae
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Posted - 2008.05.02 03:25:00 -
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Truth be told, I have never played WoW. I dont understand why so many people have issues with helping. If you are so unhappy, maybe you need to look at yourself and fix some things.
Lets rephrase this question yet again...
Are there any OFFICERS that FLY NIGHTMARES? And if so...who? I would like the ship for collection aspects. |
Taron Phae
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Posted - 2008.05.02 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Id go with something like this...
4x amarr navy tachyon beam laser 2x other junk
100mn ab domination web *cap junk as needed* *TC's in spare slots*
deadspace/storyline LAR 2x officer/deadspace hardeners 2x heatsinks
Whatever rigs you want.
Thank you for this post! Are there any others? |
Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.05.02 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Id go with something like this...
4x amarr navy tachyon beam laser 2x other junk
100mn ab domination web *cap junk as needed* *TC's in spare slots*
deadspace/storyline LAR 2x officer/deadspace hardeners 2x heatsinks
Whatever rigs you want.
Forgive me if im slow, but I thought the nightmare got changed to shield tanking ?
To the OP : The wonderful thing about eve is that there isn't really end game as such. You fly whatever you want/need to fly at the time,and you'll always find something new to do with it.
Right now im down my third races HAC/Command ships becuase I felt just minimatar/gallente was too restrictive... |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.02 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Originally by: Lance Fighter Id go with something like this...
4x amarr navy tachyon beam laser 2x other junk
100mn ab domination web *cap junk as needed* *TC's in spare slots*
deadspace/storyline LAR 2x officer/deadspace hardeners 2x heatsinks
Whatever rigs you want.
Forgive me if im slow, but I thought the nightmare got changed to shield tanking ?
To the OP : The wonderful thing about eve is that there isn't really end game as such. You fly whatever you want/need to fly at the time,and you'll always find something new to do with it.
Right now im down my third races HAC/Command ships becuase I felt just minimatar/gallente was too restrictive...
Yep, it was ^^
2x hardeners and a deadspare LAR, maybe some tanking rigs if you dont want a AB on there (grid/cap problems), you can get some good tanks with a single rep and 2 hardeners. |
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Awox
Minmatar Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.02 05:28:00 -
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Crappy fits listed above. Here's a decent PvP:
[Nightmare, PvP] Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Damage Control II RADAR Backup Array II
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster Domination Warp Disruptor Hakim's Modified Stasis Webifier Domination 100MN MicroWarpdrive Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Brokara's Modified Heavy Nosferatu Cynosural Field Generator I
Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard II Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard II Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5
Could probably use tweakings, but that's pretty good. |
bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:23:00 -
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My cheap ass Nightmare fit:
4x Tachyon II, 2x TS Heavy Nos
XL Booster II, 2x SBA II, 2x Hardener (usually Invulns),2x Cap Charger II
2x HS II, TS CPR, 2x PDS II
2x CCC
Just about cap stable with the nos running and does a silly amount of DPS with AN MF, or Gleam when the oppurtunity presents itself.
Obviously if you throw a lot more isk at you can upgrade it massively. A Gist shield Booster would let you drop the power relay at least and still be cap stable. Faction Heat Sinks are another no brainer, and swapping out one of the CCC to a tech2 is also another obvious choice. Dont bother with faction guns as they arent as good as tech 2.
I didnt put any of that stuff on cos mainly os simply flying a faction BS is begging to get suicided. Fitting a load of deadspace stuff on.....
Well, you may as well just self destruct. |
Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Inertial on 02/05/2008 06:30:40 [Nightmare, New Setup 1] Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Heat Sink Chelm's Modified Capacitor Power Relay Chelm's Modified Capacitor Power Relay
Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Selynne's Modified Heavy Nosferatu Cynosural Field Generator I
Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard II Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard II Core Defence Operational Solidifier II
'Augmented' Hammerhead x5 'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
Tanks around 2k DPS, it isn't cap sustainable without the Nos, unless you exchange one Heat Sink for another CPR, but then you loose 100-200 DPS.
EDIT: I would use this setup for PVP, because chances are you will get primaried, and then you will need a tank. I would also drop the heatsink for a CPR so you can permarun if you go into a fleet battle. |
Helen
coracao ardente Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Helen on 02/05/2008 06:31:00 bldyannoyed why only two rigs?
To the OP here is one of my earlier fits. ( yes i did officer fit it)
Nightmare fit |
Endo Scrote
Amarr Magners Marauders ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:55:00 -
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Heres as good as my skills would allow still low SP for this lot
Vizan's mega pulse x 4 Shaqils Nos x 2 (only 1 fits with my skills)
Estamels X-L Shield booster Estamels amps x 2 Estamels photon hardener Estamels heat hardener Luthr Verons invul Dracliras Injector (nowhere near enough cap otherwise)
Draclira's heat sinks x 3 Draclira's cap power relay Suitcase II
Even with not having anywhere near the skills needed to ever undock you'd get ganked in a moment in this |
Lanu
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Helen Edited by: Helen on 02/05/2008 06:31:00 bldyannoyed why only two rigs?
To the OP here is one of my earlier fits. ( yes i did officer fit it)
Nightmare fit
Whats the dps like? Damage mod on the tachs?
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:21:00 -
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All of the Sansha Officers (to my knowledge) fly Nightmares - so as mentioned above the "endgame" would be a full Chelm fit (in the manner that the "endgame" rattlesnake is fully Estamel fit). Unfortunately there needs to be a little compromise there as Chelm doesn't do shield mods - his mods having been fixed before the Sansha moved from a missile/laser based armourtank to a laser based shield tank. |
Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:09:00 -
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OP... When you have about a billion isk PER SLOT you can start fitting the ultimate Nightmare. When you have this ship put together eve mail me and tell me where to find you.
I help you out by pointing you in the right direction to your endgame... find a man named Chelm. |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:22:00 -
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Here's my fantasy EFT setup.
Does 1383 DPS and tanks 4009/3374 DPS (as long as cap boosters lasted, which is probably not long). I have Low Grade Crystals. I suppose I could have popped in high grades but then I might as well have gone to "All Level V" as well, so I drew a line. The purpose of the Large Shield Transporters is that I like to use extensive spider tanking. I also always have dedicated tacklers. Also, I probably wouldn't run an MWD, but I know everyone on the forums loves to see them. With a logistics pumping cap/shield into you this thing would be total_*******_insanity. The Nightmare is just awesome to be quite frank. Other than a Maelstrom it's really the only BS I'd fly in full fleet/spider tank gear- that includes all other Faction and T2 BS.
Any Tobias mods can be swapped for Gist X-Type where applicable.
[Nightmare, wtfpwn] Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Vizan's Modified Heat Sink Damage Control II Estamel's Modified Co-Processor
Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Tobias' Modified X-Large Shield Booster Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Tobias' Modified 100MN MicroWarpdrive
Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Vizan's Modified Mega Pulse Laser, Dark Blood Multifrequency L Large Shield Transporter II Large Shield Transporter II
Core Defence Operational Solidifier II Core Defence Operational Solidifier II Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard I
Ogre II x3
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:36:00 -
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Most of those setups are in price ranges of up to 25++ bill isk =/ |
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:21:00 -
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That was what the OP asked for. I have a much more sensible Nightmare fit that would cost in the range of 2 billion, most of which is the ship itself and a Gist XLarge SB. The rest is standard T2. It's also not nearly as devastating as the full Officer fit and at 2 billion even I don't think it's worth it. My Maelstrom works for what I need. To spend 2 billion for a little more tank and some more DPS is not going to happen.
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Dearest Wish
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dearest Wish on 02/05/2008 15:31:05
True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Tractor Beam Salvager
Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
'Bout as end-game as it gets without burning billions on officer mods.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 02/05/2008 16:05:34 Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Photon Scattering Field Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dearest Wish Edited by: Dearest Wish on 02/05/2008 15:31:05
True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Tractor Beam Salvager
Capacitor Control Circuit II Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
'Bout as end-game as it gets without burning billions on officer mods.
That's pretty terrible. By not fitting a Cap Booster you are really hurting yourself. Your setup might work for NPC hunting or missions but it's not for PvP. Let me help...
[Nightmare, more sensible] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Damage Control II
Gist C-Type X-Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Sensor Booster II, Targeting Speed
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Heavy Nosferatu II Large Shield Transporter II
Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x1 Hammerhead II x2 Ogre II x2
The 4th Heatsink is for lack of anything better to put there. It adds 50dps, which is good enough for me.
I have a 3% reduction of CPU for turrets implant. |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Photon Scattering Field Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger
Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
Once again... what's with the aversion to fitting a cap booster? This is a PVP thread.
Here's a setup along the same theme that is a million times better than yours:
[Nightmare, poo] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink
Gist X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Photon Scattering Field Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier
Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:47:00 -
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So .. where in the OP is stated, that this is a pvp thread MR. Smart? It seems like a bunch of PVE ANDPVP Fits. |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Wildfire So .. where in the OP is stated, that this is a pvp thread MR. Smart?
I guess you're right, but even for PvE those two fits suck! You could do better and if you're spending close to a billion on the ship alone you should probably strive for excellence. |
Red Harvest
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:16:00 -
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Im really suriprised no one used Cormack's Modified PDS so far. But anyways here something utterly expensiv:
4x Chelm's Modified Tachyon 1x Shaqil's Modified Heavy Nos 1x Chelm's Modified EMP Smartbomb 1x Gist X-Type XL Shield Booster 3x Estamel's Modivied Invul 1x Estamel's Modivied Shield Boost Amp 1x Cormack's Modified Tracking Computer (tracking script) 3x Chelm's Modified Heat Sink 2x Cormack's Modified PDS 1x CCC t2 2x CCC t1
5x 'Augmented' Valkyrie (just for the extra dmg type flavour) and of course a full Crystal set.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 02/05/2008 18:25:10
Originally by: Red Harvest Im really suriprised no one used Cormack's Modified PDS so far.
For PVE that might be a good option, though try a Flux Coil if your going strictly for cap/sec. In PvP it's just not needed. What I see here is a lot of focus on cap, way too much. In PvP you don't need to permarun. I've stop watched many battles (a stopwatch is a PvPers best friend). Anything lasting over five minutes is an anomaly. I usually shoot for 6-10 minutes. With even just a T2 cap booster on a Nightmare, if you use a Gist Shield Booster (which you should) you have rig slots you can use for more shield and some free lows. |
Dearest Wish
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Once again... what's with the aversion to fitting a cap booster? This is a PVP thread.
Here's a setup along the same theme that is a million times better than yours:
No it isn't you stupid fuk. You're terrible. Get out. Why did muffin let trash like you in :\ |
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