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MIrk Kross
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Posted - 2008.05.04 06:48:00 -
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I started training towards the Rapier based on old forum information which at the time I didn't realize was irrelevant.I'm wondering if it's still possible to take down a BC or bigger flying a recon since damps and nos were nerfed. Essentially I want to be able dictate range, keep theirs down and pound away hoping i can kill them before backup arrives I'm thinking the Arazu fitted with 3 damps may be a viable option. Although I'd love to continue towards the rapier if there was a fitting that could accomplish what i have in mind. SO what is the best recon for 1 on 1 pvp and belt piracy, and what fitting would you use? |
Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.04 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Aadi Grox on 04/05/2008 06:51:46 nmeh fitted rapier raped a lot of triumvirate ratters
3x tech 1 650mm arties, cloak mwd, warp disruptor, 2 webs, LSE, sensor booster WCS, nano, 2 ODI
kin/therm shield rigs |
achoura
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Posted - 2008.05.04 07:34:00 -
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Well those raipers put out alot of damage Arazus can work well too with scan res scripts and blasters however you need to be 100% sure you can take your mark, be sitting with a stopwatch and a lock time chart (so you know how long you have before it shoots back). If you're doing it right tho it'll be dead long before it can fire a shot.
Personally i'd take the raiper every time for solo 0.0, simply because it can do 3 km with the mwd making it practically impossible to kill even with a large bubble. However the pilgrim is a close second if you're relatively sure you won't find bubbles, the egress pilgrim is bardly cap stable but very effective if you use the rats dps too, or you can fit it like a raiper (i.e. all guns) a bit like this..
[Pilgrim, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
..swapping the ccc for polys and a gun for nos if you don't mind (and don't like being booster dependant in hostile 0.0) and yes, i fly that. Or if you're feeling particularly pimped you can fit 3 damps, 2 rigs and range scripts and 3 an a-type nos, almost not worth it really but possible. It's a more flexible ship than the raiper at any rate and worries ratters more usually |
MalVortex
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.04 08:38:00 -
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Arazu can do this. Would take a long time though. Pilgrim would have higher DPS, but faces different risk factors in getting close. Rapier probably can't kill ships that big without getting BBQed. Falcon *can* fit for DPS, but it will wind up as a comedy killmail at some point.
Curse can kill pretty much anything it catches, if you don't mind the lack of covop cloaking. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.04 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Angelonico on 04/05/2008 09:15:50
Originally by: achoura [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
..swapping the ccc for polys and a gun for nos if you don't mind (and don't like being booster dependant in hostile 0.0) and yes, i fly that. Or if you're feeling particularly pimped you can fit 3 damps, 2 rigs and range scripts and 3 an a-type nos, almost not worth it really but possible. It's a more flexible ship than the raiper at any rate and worries ratters more usually
Did you seriously suggest a laser pilgrim for solo pvp? Wow. I'm not sure if you're a genius or a madman. Pilgrims are complete rubbish.
Rapier or Curse is the way to be - slap a set of snakes in and the curse really starts to shine. |
achoura
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Posted - 2008.05.04 09:26:00 -
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Edited by: achoura on 04/05/2008 09:30:16 Not true, it suck when used in web range, like most recons, and most eve players don't use or have access to snakes. The real problem when flying a curse is finding a target that won't run screaming the second they see you, shis made of glass but no one ever even wants to try Anyway i though the ops was asking about cloaking recons (raiper?) but i agree fully, cruse pwns, pulg in a 3% cpu implant, or buy a domi disruptor, and you can fit a recon launcher too. Fair trade for no claok imo, get me more kills than a claok ever would have too.
Anyway, Raiper can kill sloppy ratters, it's dps is relatively speaking low but is usually enough to tip them over the edge, especially if you pick your damage type. Curse can pretty much kill anything but it's heavily dependant no boosters and only carries 7 800s anyway, + smart ravens fit smarties or shoot he drones
If you really wanted to fly something cloaked and nanoed (yes, i am a little bias atm ) try something like this...
[Pilgrim, New Setup 1] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x5
At least passable for nailing ratters, k it lacks a web but no biggie, most ratters are too slow.
It's 20% slower than the raiper, but does 50% more damage and has a more generous drone bay (variable damage, spares + possible ecm aka. get out of jail free card), higher resists & better regen rate. Cheaper too
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chiefyuk
Amarr Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Star Buccaneers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 10:32:00 -
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achoura is quite obviously trolling... no one can surely be that ********... |
Sajuukar
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Posted - 2008.05.04 11:25:00 -
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pilgrim is gd at 1v1 and piracy in belts . iuse this setup
1 med nuet, 1 med nos, 1 small nos , cloak disruptor, web, 2 tracking disruptor, 10mn mwd 1 med rep , co-proccesor, 1600mm plate, energized adaptive nano t2
10x t2 medium drones 5x med ecm drones
can't think wth rigs would be best, tho it ant need them.
since u can dictate the range at which u start the battle i get to about 15km then uncloak and then burn it straight towards target and get as close as possible. the tD fitted with tracking speed scripts will render their turrets unable to hit ya .plus if ya can get to 0km then no turrets can hit u anyway. then its just a case of using yr drones to kill them , or killing thier drones , then start on them. you have to chose your targets carefully , for example i wouldnt try taking on a missle ship with this setup
as soon as i get recon 5 i can take tht co-pro off . then can fit something useful :) |
MIrk Kross
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Angelonico Edited by: Angelonico on 04/05/2008 09:15:50
Originally by: achoura [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
..swapping the ccc for polys and a gun for nos if you don't mind (and don't like being booster dependant in hostile 0.0) and yes, i fly that. Or if you're feeling particularly pimped you can fit 3 damps, 2 rigs and range scripts and 3 an a-type nos, almost not worth it really but possible. It's a more flexible ship than the raiper at any rate and worries ratters more usually
Did you seriously suggest a laser pilgrim for solo pvp? Wow. I'm not sure if you're a genius or a madman. Pilgrims are complete rubbish.
Rapier or Curse is the way to be - slap a set of snakes in and the curse really starts to shine.
As I said, I'm training towards recon so all my knowledge is theoretical, and outdated at that. So excuse my noobness. It seems it used to be a curse could take out your cap and leave you floating impotent, and the rapier could damp you and stay out of range and again you're a sitting duck. Since that's all been nerfed what are the tactics used now, how does a curse or rapier take out a bc or a bs solo?
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Insidi Us
Amarr Suicidal Mercenaries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:48:00 -
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Most rapier setups don't include damps. 2 LSE 2 Webs MWD 24km scram (I think) is what my setup is, with nano stuff in the lows, 650s in the highs.
Your targets aren't usually BS, because they have a lot of armor and you ideally want to get in, kill, and get out ASAP. My preferred target in my Rapier is a HAC. I see them often enough belt ratting, and their loss stings the owner more than an insured BS does. |
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Guilty Man
Minmatar Guilty People
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:46:00 -
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Nano curse is still the best recon for solo pvp piracy. It deals nice dps and dictates range. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Guilty Man Nano curse is still the best recon for solo pvp piracy. It deals nice dps and dictates range.
and eats...
YOUR CAPZ!!!!!111!!!oneone.
I agree though the curse is just scary. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.05 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: MIrk Kross As I said, I'm training towards recon so all my knowledge is theoretical, and outdated at that. So excuse my noobness. It seems it used to be a curse could take out your cap and leave you floating impotent, and the rapier could damp you and stay out of range and again you're a sitting duck. Since that's all been nerfed what are the tactics used now, how does a curse or rapier take out a bc or a bs solo?
Well for starters the pilgrim is the worst recon. In addition to that, neuts/nos go in the highslots - and lasers on a ship that is already so strapped for cap, is... well... silly.
The nano curse will cap out any bs/bc in a few cycles, pop drones and go to work. Takes a little while, but as long as he doesn't have friends - he's a deadman. The rapier I can't vouch for as I haven't flown one post "script" damp nerf.
Sell your pilgrim, buy a curse and 2 poly's. Fly with some smarts and the ship can be the most fun in the game outside of ceptors.
Enjoy :)
ps - never put lasers on any amarr recon ship, if anything stick HAMS on there. |
Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.05 04:01:00 -
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a 425 II autocannon rapier with dual LSE and falloff rigs is very nice, as is a pilgrim with pulse lasers, I dont bother with nos or neuts on a pilgrim because you dont get the range bonus, stick pulse lasers and 5x hammerhead II's or valk II's and do loads of dps instead.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow a 425 II autocannon rapier with dual LSE and falloff rigs is very nice, as is a pilgrim with pulse lasers, I dont bother with nos or neuts on a pilgrim because you dont get the range bonus, stick pulse lasers and 5x hammerhead II's or valk II's and do loads of dps instead.
Mind copy/pasting your laser pilgrim setup?
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mama guru
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.05 07:18:00 -
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Why lasers over lets say 425mm II's?
If you nano the pilgrim you'll have both cap and cargohold issues.
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.05 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru Why lasers over lets say 425mm II's?
If you nano the pilgrim you'll have both cap and cargohold issues.
I personally stick to HAMs, which is why I want the PL guy's setup. The curse/pilgrim beg for cap-less weaponry.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:03:00 -
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curse is the answer I think. with max skills and some cap mods it will run 2 medium neuts, mwd, disruptor, tracking disruptor all day long and still manage to fly 3kms.
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:12:00 -
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Oh boy.... so much misleading information.
Rapier dies or must run, if the opponent has a Large Neutralizer. Also, a Standard T2-fit Rapier without 2x Polycarbons and maybe some Imps can't outrun Cruise Missiles, so it's a tricky one.
Pilgrim... look at the Amarr-Recon-Thread pls.
Falcon has not the damage, nor the speed to be a solo-ship.
Arazu is the only viable option imho, as you can safely sit @ 30km with 3 Damps. 3x 250mm Rail does not do the biggest damage, but with a little help from the NPCs it's easy. With 2x OD and 1x Nanofiber fast enough doing 2.5km/sec. .
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:30:00 -
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I've soloed Drakes in my Blaster Arazu. ^-^ Bellum Eternus
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.05.05 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus I've soloed Drakes in my Blaster Arazu. ^-^
Hehe ... Blarazu :) Now thats a fine word
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.05 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus I've soloed Drakes in my Blaster Arazu. ^-^
Blasters + ecm drones + 3 damps with locking time scipts? ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
If real men fly amarr, what does a nbermensch fly then? ---> Gallente ^(>_<)^ |
Iseult Kross
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Posted - 2008.05.05 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok Oh boy.... so much misleading information.
Rapier dies or must run, if the opponent has a Large Neutralizer. Also, a Standard T2-fit Rapier without 2x Polycarbons and maybe some Imps can't outrun Cruise Missiles, so it's a tricky one.
Pilgrim... look at the Amarr-Recon-Thread pls.
Falcon has not the damage, nor the speed to be a solo-ship.
Arazu is the only viable option imho, as you can safely sit @ 30km with 3 Damps. 3x 250mm Rail does not do the biggest damage, but with a little help from the NPCs it's easy. With 2x OD and 1x Nanofiber fast enough doing 2.5km/sec.
3 damps with range scripts? What locking range would that bring your average bs to? I'm asking, not being rhetorical. |
Euriti
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.05.05 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: mama guru Why lasers over lets say 425mm II's?
If you nano the pilgrim you'll have both cap and cargohold issues.
I personally stick to HAMs, which is why I want the PL guy's setup. The curse/pilgrim beg for cap-less weaponry.
Sometimes you just don't want his setups (thinks of "the leipnir" aka laser sleipnir)
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.05 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Iseult Kross
Originally by: Grytok Oh boy.... so much misleading information.
Rapier dies or must run, if the opponent has a Large Neutralizer. Also, a Standard T2-fit Rapier without 2x Polycarbons and maybe some Imps can't outrun Cruise Missiles, so it's a tricky one.
Pilgrim... look at the Amarr-Recon-Thread pls.
Falcon has not the damage, nor the speed to be a solo-ship.
Arazu is the only viable option imho, as you can safely sit @ 30km with 3 Damps. 3x 250mm Rail does not do the biggest damage, but with a little help from the NPCs it's easy. With 2x OD and 1x Nanofiber fast enough doing 2.5km/sec.
3 damps with range scripts? What locking range would that bring your average bs to? I'm asking, not being rhetorical.
20km, and if the BS has a SB with Range Script, then you'll bring it down to 30km. .
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Sniggerdly Hater
The Abyssmal Spire
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Posted - 2008.05.05 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Euriti
Sometimes you just don't want his setups (thinks of "the leipnir" aka laser sleipnir)
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.05 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: chiefyuk achoura is quite obviously trolling... no one can surely be that ********...
not trolling, check the tri killboard
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Gneeznow a 425 II autocannon rapier with dual LSE and falloff rigs is very nice, as is a pilgrim with pulse lasers, I dont bother with nos or neuts on a pilgrim because you dont get the range bonus, stick pulse lasers and 5x hammerhead II's or valk II's and do loads of dps instead.
Mind copy/pasting your laser pilgrim setup?
I used this for a while....
[Pilgrim, armour] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II
Warp Disruptor II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 10MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Tracking Disruptor II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
then switched to this...
[Pilgrim, pulse] Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Hammerhead II x5
and I dont know why I use lasers on it instead of auto's but auto's would do the job fine on it if you wanted capless weapons.
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.05.05 14:32:00 -
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Because with a relay or two pdu IIs you've got 1/3 of your recharge still free, 22k optimal and scroch pwns but then again what do i know? I'm "obviously trolling"
Use those rig slots to plug that em hole btw, they're only 1.3 mil each these days ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
xenodia
Gallente Mortis Incarnatus
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Posted - 2008.05.05 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: MIrk Kross I started training towards the Rapier based on old forum information which at the time I didn't realize was irrelevant.I'm wondering if it's still possible to take down a BC or bigger flying a recon since damps and nos were nerfed. Essentially I want to be able dictate range, keep theirs down and pound away hoping i can kill them before backup arrives I'm thinking the Arazu fitted with 3 damps may be a viable option. Although I'd love to continue towards the rapier if there was a fitting that could accomplish what i have in mind. SO what is the best recon for 1 on 1 pvp and belt piracy, and what fitting would you use?
Really depends on A) how long it takes whatever youre attacking to cap out and B) how long it takes his friends to arrive. If B is greater than A, then yes you can do it. While the Arazu's solo ability took a punch to the nards with the dampener nerf, it IS still possible to solo stuff in it, you just have to be more choosy about your targets, and you have to fit a bit differently.
Of course, if you dont mind the lack of covert ops cloak, Curse or Lachesis (nano fit) are probably your best options. They will kill stuff a bit more quickly. The curse is nasty still with nos/neuts, and the Lachesis can scramble from over 40k away, and you can still run 3 dampeners on it with a nano setup, which should be enough to hose the locking range of a typical ratting BC and even some battleships. If the target has a sensor booster, or is a ship with a naturally long lock range though (like another recon), nano lachesis isnt so immune to being shot at, although the nano setup should still be damn hard to hit (mine goes close to 5k per second, which is fast enough for most situations).
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