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Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:32:00 -
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With present skills my trusty Kestrel has a max targeting range of 48k. Best I can do with the Rifter is 28k. Anything I can do to make that better? Currently training Long Range Targeting to V. |
Seetesh
Caldari Pixels Docks
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:48:00 -
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Sensor booster :) |
Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:57:00 -
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You don't need it to be better than that on the Rifter anyway. |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:43:00 -
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Thanks for the replies. I've been playing around with a ratting fit. I like that the Rifter is faster (about 1860 m/s continuous with below setup), can jump farther, and is easier to shield. Less missile punching power but present skills give a good rate of fire and damage. I guess the Rifter is usually used as a phone booth fighter but this seems to work well for it's intended purpose.
High 2 x Arbalest (Caldari Bloodclaws) 1 x Auto Targeting I (easier to keep multiple rats at bay) (Empty fourth slot)
Medium 1 x 1MN AB II 1 x Medium Regolith 1 x Fleeting Warp Scrambler (for non-rat targets of opportunity)
Low 1 x Ballistic Control 1 x APC 1 x Overdrive
If isk is not an issue rigs like low friction nozzle joints or aux. thrusters make things a bit better.
Anyway thanks again for the input.
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Blood Daemon
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jonn Stryker Thanks for the replies. I've been playing around with a ratting fit. I like that the Rifter is faster (about 1860 m/s continuous with below setup), can jump farther, and is easier to shield. Less missile punching power but present skills give a good rate of fire and damage. I guess the Rifter is usually used as a phone booth fighter but this seems to work well for it's intended purpose.
High 2 x Arbalest (Caldari Bloodclaws) 1 x Auto Targeting I (easier to keep multiple rats at bay) (Empty fourth slot)
Medium 1 x 1MN AB II 1 x Medium Regolith 1 x Fleeting Warp Scrambler (for non-rat targets of opportunity)
Low 1 x Ballistic Control 1 x APC 1 x Overdrive
If isk is not an issue rigs like low friction nozzle joints or aux. thrusters make things a bit better.
Anyway thanks again for the input.
lol your DPS will be pathetic >.<... Rifter gets bonus to projectile weapons... so fitting 2 missile launchers onto a rifter is pointless unless it's a last slot extra DPS |
Spud Gunn
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:31:00 -
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You're fitting two launchers to a ship which has three bonussed turret points... Why, why would you do such a thing? Do you really hate the Minmatar so much that you feel the need to make a mockery of their best frigate? If you must ruin a perfectly good frigate, at least use a Breacher (you know, the one that's actually designed to be a missile boat?) |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Spud Gunn ... Why, why would you do such a thing? Do you really hate the Minmatar so much...
Actually some of my best friends are Minmatar
Originally by: Spud Gunn ...If you must ruin a perfectly good frigate, at least use a Breacher (you know, the one that's actually designed to be a missile boat?)
You mean the one that looks like Ann Coulter, all paper and sticks and butt ugly? That one? Now the Rifter just looks bad ( I mean that in a good way). It should have been Caldari. If only it had one more launcher hard point. Ah well, life is short and then you die...maybe a little faster in my Caldari Rifter but at least I'll be a good looking corpse. Which my friend is more than I can say for you. |
Orrelious
Minmatar The Umbrella Union Fleet
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:29:00 -
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Terrible. Just use a Kestrel. |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Orrelious Terrible. Just use a Kestrel.
I do...but the Rifter is still faster, easier to shield, and a better jumper. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:06:00 -
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You're in a rifter. Concerned about ratting in your rifter. Training long range targetting to V (?!). And using that ****ty setup?
Just lol. I'd think you were a troll, but are the trolls even this creative? |
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DanKills
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:08:00 -
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I'm praying this is a troll...
Anyway, let's figure this out together.
"Special Ability: 10% Bonus to Kinetic missile damage per level" USE MISSILES "Special Ability: 5% Bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage per level" DO NOT USE MISSILES |
Tuncan
Minmatar Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:20:00 -
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I don't get the point. the whole build is awesome =) but u should use FOF missiles and please fit drone modules on high slots
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Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well Concerned about ratting in your rifter.
Never said I was concerned. It works for me. If it offends your sensibilities then you should probably try to get over it. Thanks for the comments though. Interesting reactions. |
Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:13:00 -
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That my friend, is a crappy setup.
Drop the missiles for 3x projectiles: its a minmatar frigate, not a caldari one.
The auto targeting is meh...
the shield buffer is good, the warp scram is ok if you find something (drop it for a small booster or civvie booster for grid use... APC, good, overdrive, ok. Drop the BCU for a gyro stab. (should free up a bit of cpu as well)
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:25:00 -
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It doesn't offend me in the slightest. But it does make me laugh. |
Xionex
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:49:00 -
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Dude Rifter is the NATIEST T1 frig in Eve and you have gimped it into oblivion with that set up...That said whatever makes you happy rock on...but just know that setup is painful to look at...and I am Caldari |
Radcjk
Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.04 20:09:00 -
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If you're concerned over speed and range you may want to just mount two standard launchers on a Condor mate.
That rifter makes my eyes bleed and I usually try to keep things constructive. |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 21:04:00 -
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I think what most of you ladies are upset about is that it doesn't fit your cookie cutter idea of a Rifter. Too bad. Get over it. It fights well for a rat set-up.
I stay at 17.5 and rarely go below 10 percent shield. My missiles skills are good enough to pop rats with one or two bloodclaws. Sometimes two volleys but that's rare and that's usually against kestrels set up for knife fighting. I can fly at almost 1900 m/s all day and shields are not a problem. The auto targeting is used for four or more rats. It lets me lock two additional targets and tells me when someone's getting too close so that I can stay at optimal. If you don't believe me fit one out and take it ratting. If it's such a crappy setup why does it work so well?
Oh..and Boz?...nice dress, man. |
Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jonn Stryker I think what most of you ladies are upset about is that it doesn't fit your cookie cutter idea of a Rifter. Too bad. Get over it. It fights well for a rat set-up.
No. It's simply a bad fitting that doesn't use the ship's strengths. You could do much, much better with a properly fitted Rifter.
Quote: If it's such a crappy setup why does it work so well?
Because all you're doing with it is shooting small groups of frig rats? God, a Navitas or Bantam could do that. |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Jonn Stryker I think what most of you ladies are upset about is that it doesn't fit your cookie cutter idea of a Rifter. Too bad. Get over it. It fights well for a rat set-up.
No. It's simply a bad fitting that doesn't use the ship's strengths. You could do much, much better with a properly fitted Rifter.
Quote: If it's such a crappy setup why does it work so well?
Because all you're doing with it is shooting small groups of frig rats? God, a Navitas or Bantam could do that.
Let me say it again...this is a ratting setup. What did you think I was using it for, attacking capital ships? I know it doesn't play to the ship's 5% small projectile turrent bonus and the tracking bonus, but so what. That's why I made the phone booth fighter comment for at the beginning of this tirade. It's fast and it's got good shields and it's fun to fly. So one more time, for effect...get over it. |
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Joe Starbreaker
Smoking Hillbillys Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.04 21:49:00 -
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If you must have the pretty explosions of missiles, I suggest going with three autocannons and a rocket launcher. Or if you must, two autocannons and two rocket launchers. Rockets are like missiles but for men. Higher rate of fire = more pretty explosions = more damage. And you get the rat-a-tat-tat of machine guns as a free bonus.
AB and shield stuff in mids. Speed and whatever in lows. |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Rockets are like missiles but for men.
Now that's funny! |
Syniztur
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.04 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jonn Stryker Thanks for the replies. I've been playing ...
High 2 x Arbalest (Caldari Bloodclaws) 1 x Auto Targeting I (easier to keep multiple rats at bay) (Empty fourth slot) Medium 1 x 1MN AB II 1 x Medium Regolith 1 x Fleeting Warp Scrambler (for non-rat targets of opportunity) Low 1 x Ballistic Control 1 x APC 1 x Overdrive
Dude... Ok. I wont flame you... Although You deserve it. But since everybody else has pretty much done it, I'll save my imfamous FAIL for another thread.
You should really follow the strong points of the ship mate. Honestly. Rockets/Missiles on a turret boat is really NOT the way to go. While it may be fairly descent for you at this particular moment, it surely could be tons better. If you are really just trying to stay at range and blast them away, then I'd have to agree that the Kessie is your better bet.
However, with the Rifter's speed, and turret bonuses, you'd be a h3lluva lot better off with projectiles. Honestly. The Rifter is my second favorite ship. First being my Claw.
Take the advice... put ACs on the Rifter and you will notice things going POP alot quicker. Granded you have to worry about speed, distance, falloff, etc etc, but who cares? The Rats will hardly touch you anyway if you are running properly. You could even drop some Arti's on it and pop from a bit further out than your ACs w/ammo will allow. Fun stuff. I'd also trash the AB and use a MWD. You don't need to run it constanly. Learn to feather/play the throttle as you approach, zip around, and engulf your target. Drop the Scram too. You are build for rat specific. No need to waste slots or grid on a scram if you will pretty much never need it... aside from that, a 'target of opportunity' will eat your lunch before he ever has to worry about your Scram on him... whilst he laffs at your silly missiles coming from your TURRET BOAT! (seeing a trend here yet?)
Rifter's are so much fun, and very versitile boats. You are Minmatar!!! ACT LIKE ONE!! NO MISSILES!!
L8rz |
Jonn Stryker
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Posted - 2008.05.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Syniztur Rifter's are so much fun, and very versitile boats. You are Minmatar!!! ACT LIKE ONE!! NO MISSILES!! L8rz
Good post. The "feather/play the throttle" comment was gold. Thanks. The only thing I can take issue with is that I'm not Minmatar, I'm Caldari.
I like missiles and explosions and the very neat zig-zag fake em out twist and turn thing that missiles do right before they turn ships into pixie dust. That's why I like the Kestrel and why I just finished training for the Manticore.
But I like the Rifter too much to let it go, so maybe I'll try to wean myself off of missiles when I'm flying it. "Hi, I'm Stryker, and I'm a missile-holic. It's been three hours since I fired my last missile..."
Hmmm....I wonder how the manti would do with AC's? |
Xionex
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Posted - 2008.05.04 22:33:00 -
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Bravo...Bravo...Bravo...What he said^^^ Especially the part about the scrambler. If you get a Killmail in that thing from anyone that hasn't just booted Eve up for the first time I will kiss the ground you walk upon. |
Hannobaal
Gallente Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 04/05/2008 22:53:26
Originally by: Jonn Stryker
Let me say it again...this is a ratting setup. What did you think I was using it for, attacking capital ships? I know it doesn't play to the ship's 5% small projectile turrent bonus and the tracking bonus, but so what. That's why I made the phone booth fighter comment for at the beginning of this tirade. It's fast and it's got good shields and it's fun to fly. So one more time, for effect...get over it.
I understand it's a ratting set up, and you're not doing anything more straining with it than the Eve equivalent of beating up a mentally ******** 3-year-old kid in real life (I mean difficulty wise, they're on the same level). However, about the only ship in Eve that couldn't do that efficiently is... a shuttle?
At least take it to an 0.4 system and try killing some cruiser rats with it or something, and then try it with a proper Rifter setup (even artillery would work, although autocannons are better) and you'll see the difference. |
AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.04 23:05:00 -
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if you stick 2x Arbalest launchers on a condor along with the BCU you'll outdamage that rifter setup. Then again, putting 10M+ worth of launchers on a 30k t1 frigate isn't the best idea.
Don't be shy. Slap on autocannons + a rocket launcher and dive right on in. A plated rifter with an SAR can take the abuse. |
Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.05.04 23:55:00 -
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I can kill rats in an Iblis. With a laser. Does that mean it's a good fit? Does it mean it's a good ship to use?
I'll give you 7/10 on your trolling though for creativity. |
Ess Erbe
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.05 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan if you stick 2x Arbalest launchers on a condor along with the BCU you'll outdamage that rifter setup. Then again, putting 10M+ worth of launchers on a 30k t1 frigate isn't the best idea.
Don't be shy. Slap on autocannons + a rocket launcher and dive right on in. A plated rifter with an SAR can take the abuse.
Heck, 3 125s use up less powergrid than a single one of his launchers, so the shield buffer works perfectly.
It's not about "cookie cutter". It's about doing reasonable things.
Sure, sometimes ya wanna go with a laser thorax or whatever for hilarity, but you shouldn't keep saying that "it works". Everything works versus frigate rats. You can put a 75mm gatling rail armed with iron and nothing else on an Ibis and still beat them.
Condor, Breacher, Kestrel would simply fit much more with how you play with that Rifter - ie, you're doing it wrong.
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Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.05 20:19:00 -
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The Rifter has a much shorter base targeting range because it's meant to use short range weapons; namely autocannons and rockets.
Thinking outside of the box is a good thing and I commend you for it.
Mismatching weapons to a ships bonuses and hardpoints (i.e. 2 launchers on a ship with 3 turret hardpoints, two bonuses to projectiles, and no bonuses to missiles) is not thinking outside the box, it's just bad fitting. Unless, of course, you end up with something that you can't do on any other ship, and in your case you haven't since a Kestrel or a Condor would match this fit better than a Rifter. Even a Merlin would be a better choice because you'd still have two unbonused launchers, but you'd have a tanking bonus. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
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