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NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 15:04:00 - [1] Hello. This topic will be about petition to get the Logserver changed or ban BACON. Or at least try. Before i start, this topic should ONLY be for those who agree with me and i will only see replys with peoples that have a reason why CCP should change Logserver or ban BACON, because just saying signed can be taken as spam. Discussion about BACON can be taken in the other BACON topics. By reading this link here: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp you can clearly see that there is nothing written about the actual Logserver there, it's only written about the actual EVE there. So since there is nothing in the EULA about using 3rd party apps on the Logserver, then they ofc will say it's allowed. But the TERMS OF SERVICE might be way out of date there, but as long it's documented there and not updated, then we have to go after what's beeing written there. But the EULA there still say something that makes BACON against the rules. The first rule i see it break, is about the 3rd party apps. The users of BACON say that it doesn't have any communication with the EVE server, so it's allowed. That might be true. But they don't seem to get the point. NO 3rd party apps that gets ANY information of what's happening ingame shouldn't be allowed in any ways. Whatever the reason is. The second rule i see it break is about advantage over other players. Yes, BACON takes an advantage over me for example, because i don't use BACON, and will never do. And as far as i know, the reason why UI modification is not allowed in EVE, is because you can easily make add-ons to EVE then that takes an advantage over other players. So that's why that's forbidden. And it will stay like that forever. BACON takes an advantage over other players because it makes a sound when some hostiles or whatever enters local and then does the job for you so you don't have to check local when some hostiles or whatever jumps in. While i have to manually check the local all the time, and play like other loyal players are doing. BUT.., BACON is not the worst thing here, but that's not the point, the real problem here is that BACON might be a start on something that can be a REALLY REALLY big nightmare / problem for CCP soonÖ if they don't fix the Logserver or at least ban all types of 3rd party applications like BACON. That's the point. While BACON only makes a sound, that sound can be used to make tons of other apps that can do nasty stuffs like, Log off automaticly when that sound is played. Automaticly warp to a safespot and cloack when that sound is played, and so on, you see my point here???. By allowing this app, CCP will then let stuffs like this happens. Things like this might already be happening, but even when that's happening it shouldn't continue. It should STOP right NOW before it's to late. You might think i'm very desperat now when making this topic, but i'm not, i'm making this topic because i want to continue to play EVE for many many more years, and that without 3rd party apps that will slowly kill EVE. I have been playing EVE Online for over 4 years now, and i'm sure CCP will still love to have me here. But then CCP have to listen to us to. This topic is only to hope that CCP will make EVE Online a better game, and to hope that CCP will listen to us loyal players on what's good for EVE and that. So by this topic i want EVERYONE that support and those who are signing this topic to write CCP a petition on WHY you want them to change the Logserver or at least ban apps like BACON. A petition always helps, so the more who write CCP a petition about this, the more the chance it will be that they are doing something to get this changed. So here is the e-mail address you can send your petition to if you want or at least try to make EVE a better game: [email protected]. May the cheaters burn in hell. NightmareX
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 15:10:00 - [2] I forgot to say that you can tell me the right place to send a petition if the Support address is not the right place to send a petition to.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 15:16:00 - [3] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 15:17:48 CCP have said that they are gonna do something with the Logserver, but it's not confirmed yet that it will happen. If someone from CCP can confirm in this topic that the Logserver will be changed, then i'm getting happy, and ofc this topic isn't actually needed. And also, BACON lovers can stay out of this topic.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:12:00 - [4] Like i said earlier here, if CCP can confirm 100% that they are changing the Logserver for REAL, then we don't need this topic, but like i also said, it's not been confirmed that it's actually happening. It takes the Devs 2 mins to write a reply here and confirm that they are changing it or not, so i see no problems with that. As long it's not confirmed, then i see a good reason for this topic to be here.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:28:00 - [5] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 16:29:19 Oh i forgot to say IN BEFORE THE BACON BEARS. Say what you want, but any communication with ANYTHING that can get information about something that is happening ingame, and then makes a program to use the info from that to take an advantage over others is as bad as it can gets. Well, if the petition thing or signing thing isn't allowed, then it's fine, but then at least show your respect to CCP here and write something that is against the BACON or support that you want Logerser to be changed ASAP. SHOW CCP SOME RESPECT.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:32:00 - [6] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 16:33:07 Originally by: Cori4n Originally by: NightmareX Say what you want, but any communication with ANYTHING that can get information about something that is happening ingame, and then makes a program to use the info from that to take an advantage over others is as bad as it can gets. Did the API kill EVE...? No but that's a totally different story. The API key is something totally different from this BACON thing, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 16:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Aaetos Lets start a petition to remove the 1% of people that think bacon is really having a massive impact on eve. Sorry, but you fail to understand this topic.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Cori4n Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 16:33:07 Originally by: Cori4n Originally by: NightmareX Say what you want, but any communication with ANYTHING that can get information about something that is happening ingame, and then makes a program to use the info from that to take an advantage over others is as bad as it can gets. Did the API kill EVE...? No but that's a totally different story. The API key is something totally different from this BACON thing, so it doesn't have anything to do with this. But it can "get information about something that is happening ingame" Does the API key makes you take an advantage over other players?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:16:00 - [9] Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 17:57:00 - [10] Originally by: cyt0matrix Originally by: NightmareX Every good minded person knows that what i'm talking about here is like it should be. I know you bears will defend your cheating program because your to lazy to play the game like everyone should, so no wonder why. You picked the wrong forum to post this. You should have posted in feature and ideas forum. General discussion is full of bears. . True true.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Look! Look at how stupid you are! (CCP already said they are changing it. stfu.) Yes a GM have said something about changing the Logserver, but there is no answers from ACTUAL CCP Devs about it. I want to get confirmed by the CCP Devs and not the Game Masters, that the Logserver is beeing changed.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:46:00 - [12] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:47:27 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:39:27 Yes a GM have said something about changing the Logserver, but there is no answers from ACTUAL CCP Devs about it. The GM doesn't have anything with the development of the Logserver to do so. I want to get confirmed by the CCP Devs and not the Game Masters, that the Logserver is beeing changed. GM's = CCP. I somewhat doubt a lead GM that I would guess likes their job will come announce some change that isn't actually happening. Again, look how stupid you are. Again, the GM's are not CCP Devs. Yes they are a part of CCP, but not Devs.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 18:52:00 - [13] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 18:53:08 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Originally by: NightmareX Again, the GM's are not CCP Devs. Yes they are a part of CCP, but not Devs. Why does that change anything? Because i feel better if a CCP Dev can confirm or deny it. And many others are probably thinking the same. Oh boi, /me loves the bears who are trying hard to defend the cheating software.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:08:00 - [14] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:08:13 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Where did I defend it? I'm quite against it actually. Ok good. But don't post in a way then that can make others think that you are defending BACON then. And no, i'm not a terrible poster, i'm a honest poster.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Cori4n By bear, do you mean carebear? Yes that's right, it's carebear.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:33:00 - [16] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:35:29 It's bad when more and more programs like this is beeing made to work with EVE. Don't you see that i'm only trying to stop a trend that is to make more and more apps like this? Or at least i'm trying.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:41:00 - [17] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:44:04 Originally by: Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh ffs, this coming from the clown who was carebearing in low sec (yeah, gate camp ganks is carebearing) while the rest of LV was fighting people who actually shot back No I have never used bacon No I dont plan on using it No I dont bottom feed like TwitmareX No I cant understand how that clown got into Quam LOL, yeah it's coming from a player that have been a crappy carebear like 2+ years ago, but that doesn't mean i'm that today. And you had to use an alt to say that, wow.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:54:00 - [18] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 19:55:38 I at least used NightmareX to post this topic, and not use an alt to do it. Because i'm not scary of posting with my main. That was to the alt Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 19:59:00 - [19] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 20:03:49 Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 04/05/2008 19:55:33 So Nightmare X what part of GM Grimmi's post about CCP not liking BACON and are in the process of changing the client to nullify its use didn't you understand? I understand that a GM have said it already, but that doesn't make sense, because i have seen so many times that a GM have said something, and then later a Dev is telling something totally different that the GM are saying. It's not always that the GM's are 100% right about things. That's why i want an officially answer from a CCP Developer now. I'm beeing an attention *****? LOL, not actually, i'm only trying to proove that BACON and eventually programs like that in the future will most likely kill EVE slowly but surely. But meh, i'll guess EVERY carebear would love to sit in a game with 475467467 add-ons (specually the BACON cheaters) that have made most part of the PVP playerbase to leave EVE, then you can sit in another WoW simulator and suck on your roids. What's fun in that?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Virtuozzo Originally by: NightmareX That's why i want an officially answer from a CCP Developer now. Go to iceland, camp the station. Err, office. LOL.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:10:00 - [21] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 20:13:28 Franco Caruso, you seems to not understand all of my replys in this topic. Well maybe the petition thing is not the best idea, but at least give CCP a reason why you want a cheat free game, or at least support it by trying to get rid of more programs like this.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:16:00 - [22] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 20:16:55 And seriously, i don't want EVE Online to get into a new WoW v2.0 with tons of L33T script kiddies from WoW that are destroying such good game as EVE Online with tons of 3rd party apps / add-ons, that's the last ting i want to see EVER. But sadly, it might happen if things like BACON doesn't get stopped. like i said earlier, please stop it before it's to late.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:18:00 - [23] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 20:24:59 Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou Originally by: NightmareX And seriously, i don't want EVE Online to get into a new WoW v2.0 with tons of L33T script kiddies from WoW that are destroying such good game as EVE Online with tons of 3rd party apps / add-ons, that's the last ting i want to see EVER. So basically, now you are trying to justify your attempt at dev attention seeking by posting the same thing over and over again just reworded. Nice. Ehh no, i'm just saying it to someone that might not have understanded it so far in the topic. And yeah, FYI, please keep the topic on topic to please. It have been mostly on topic so far, and it's good.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 20:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Franco Caruso Edited by: Franco Caruso on 04/05/2008 20:28:46 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 20:13:28 Franco Caruso, you seems to not understand all of my replys in this topic. Well maybe the petition thing is not the best idea, but at least give CCP a reason why you want a cheat free game, or at least support it by trying to get rid of more programs like this. Please read this post http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=761629&page=3#72 carefully. You know what?, i totally agree with that. The only positive i can see in BACON is that it forces CCP to change the Logserver (IF they do), and then makes the game more secure to such programs like BACON in the future.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 21:06:00 - [25] Originally by: hydraSlav I support the petition to get BACON banned. This is as good as macroing. Even though people may find loopholes that make it "technically" valid, it doesn't change the intent and action of the program. Why are macroers not allowed? Because they automate certain actions. CCP doesn't want it's game to be played by automated actions, CCP wants players to be actively at the controls. This does the same. Instead of the player doing the job of checking local (which is an exploit in itself if you ask me... read my sig), the program automates that action for them. Therefore, this is a macro. A 3rd party macro application giving an unfair advantage to the user. Get it banned ASAP! Thanks. Finally someone that see my WHOLE point of this topic. I'm amazed that so many fail to see it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 22:15:00 - [26] Ok ok, calm down a bit here. I was just talking with a dev on mIRC here, and after what he said, we have good news. [23:20] <Atropos\|other> the logserver is now being used in ways that were never intended, and we'll deal with this recent sea change [23:22] <Atropos\|other> the logserver was meant for _us_ to gather data to help _us_ fix problems [23:23] <Atropos\|other> not to give players aningame advantage [23:25] <Atropos\|other> theres been a lot of internal talk about the use and abuse of the logserver [23:25] <Atropos\|other> and none of us like the way it's being used [23:41] <Atropos\|other> there are plans afoot about the logserver [23:41] <Atropos\|other> but, you'll understand if i don't give you any specifics So by this, it's confirmed by a Dev that they ACTUALLY are gonna change the logserver. Was all i wanted to get confirmed by a Dev. And the dev even said it was beeing an ingame advantage by using the BACON the way it's beeing used now. So the question is then, why are you guys still contimue to defend BACON?, it's clearly that CCP don't like it and are changing the logserver. If CCP had allowed BACON to be used like now, they wouldn't start to change the Logserver right?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.04 22:34:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 04/05/2008 22:35:36 Thank you very much Atropos, was all i wanted to get here, a Dev reply telling exactly that.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 03:28:00 - [28] So many good points here now that it's actually fun to read this topic. And this also shows WHY i love CCP. CCP remember to me to give all of the devs a free beer when i'm coming to a FanFest sometime in the future. Isn't that about 250+ devs right now?, OH SNAP, my wallet will hurt. But meh, CCP deserve it anyways.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:00:00 - [29] Edited by: NightmareX on 05/05/2008 09:10:06 Oh my god, i love troll posts like above, it only shows that i utterly pwned a BACON user in this topic. And no, i will not get any bans, i'm actually the last person in this topic to get that.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:18:00 - [30] Tatoed Goat, i recommend you to read the dev reply on page 4 before you say anything more in this topic. The devs is confirming that i'am right about the BACON thing. So STFU please.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 09:56:00 - [31] Edited by: NightmareX on 05/05/2008 10:01:01 Originally by: Dario Wall You're doing nothing but flaming the OP for raising a very valid point and finally getting a statement from CCP on the matter. But wait, you probably use the tool and are just upset that it's going to get removed. Exactly, all i wanted was an answer from a Dev that told how they was feeling about this BACON thing. CCP didn't had commented anything exactly about it anyways, so it was nice to get that answer from CCP Atropos. Because the GM answer alone about it was not enough in my eyes, but now both the GM and the Dev have said it, so i'm happy.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 10:40:00 - [32] Even when BACON is not the end of the world or one of the worst thing here in EVE, it's at least a little start on something good to get rid of things like BACON.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:39:00 - [33] Edited by: NightmareX on 05/05/2008 22:45:43 The op that is me have made some very good reasons on why BACON is against some rules and that, and why it HAVE to stop. And the dev have confirmed that i'm right about what i'm saying to. So why i'am such a terrible poster then? And the reason i said that there should only be posts from those who agree on me is because if i didn't had done that, this topic would most likely end up in a massive flame fest. No matter on how you are looking at BACON, it's decleared as cheat and as a tool that takes an advantage over other players. END OF STORY.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:50:00 - [34] Originally by: KarGard Originally by: NightmareX No matter on how you are looking at BACON, it's decleared as cheat and as a tool that takes an advantage over other players. END OF STORY. That is not at all what has been stated. So taking advantage over other players is not cheat?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto No, you made a few long-winded rambles about how you don't like it. I'm not alone in not liking BACON FYI. There is a reason why we don't like it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:50:00 - [36] Face it already guys, BACON is decleared dead soon anyways, no point by TRYING to save it by all this jabba jibba talk. The dev have said it all, and nothing more is needed to be said.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:53:00 - [37] Edited by: NightmareX on 05/05/2008 23:54:19 Originally by: Sunbird Huy btw, NightmareX, Quam Singulari is Crax McGee's corp, right? Yes he's in Quam atm, but it's not his corp. But you seems to be very desperate now since you KNOW BACON will soon die.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:16:00 - [38] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 00:24:17 Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: NightmareX Face it already guys, BACON is decleared dead soon anyways, no point by TRYING to save it by all this jabba jibba talk. The dev have said it all, and nothing more is needed to be said. Normally I like civilized discourse, but this is just too good an opportunity for ad hominem to pass up. ahem "Jabba jibba"? Seriously, how much of a cretin are you? If you're going to quote Mr. T, at least have the decency to do it right, foo'! (Warning: NSFW language) Ok if you really want to be that way. By jabba jibba talk i meant all of this crap posting why BACON is good for EVE. Clear enough for you? Just stop to defend BACON already, you are just making you look much much worser than you are by trying to defend it.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:30:00 - [39] Well if the dev reply on page 4 and 6 is not clear enough for you guys, then you can get out of this topic, please, because you simply don't understand what have been said by the dev and others in the topic, so you wont listen anyways.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:39:00 - [40] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 00:39:57 Originally by: Reuser Originally by: NightmareX Well if the dev reply on page 4 and 6 is not clear enough for you guys, then you can get out of this topic, please, because you simply don't understand what have been said by the dev and others in the topic, so you wont listen anyways. Actually, they aren't terribly clear at all. Could you tell me what was settled, oh king of jurisprudence? Reuser, please don't make you look like an idiot by saying that. CCP Atropos said exactly how they was feeling and thinking about BACON there. I don't think they couldn't have had been any more clear on what he said there.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Reuser While you're thinking that question through, let's think about the below, from the other thread... 1. Given: Instant communication is possible in the EVE universe. Support: You can talk to your mates in Syndicate when you're in Delve, instantly. Evemail, Voice comms, etc. See: http://www.eve-online.com/background/communication/ 2. Given: The EVE interface gives feedback on events via sound. Support: Warp scram sounds, jump gate sounds, uncloaking sounds, enemy guns firing, etc. For the technical, there is no way that you can hear the enemy guns in space. That is a synthesized sound by Aura/your crew/something. 3. Given: EVE technology is FAR, FAR in advance of our current Terran technology. By several orders of magnitude, at least. Support: Self evident. 4. Given: EVE stargates are ancient, pre-Jovian technology reproduced by the four races. Support: http://www.eve-online.com/background/jump/jump_02.asp 5. Given: EVE's computer science is at least as advanced as our own. Support: Working technology based on quantum computing, region wide markets, etc. 6. Given: Local channel exists. There is an event when a new starship joins local. Support: Self evident. 7. Given: Ships have an advanced on board computer, Aura. Source: EVE tutorial. I think we can all agree that these are the facts about the EVE universe we inhabit. Given these facts, one cannot refute that the potential exists, within the EVE universe to duplicate BACON. Given the military competition between the four races, and the consequences of failing to develop a Threat Warning System, it is extremely, extremely improbable that the TWS did NOT evolve in EVE. Discuss. Uh, wow, just wow. What the hell does that have to do with BACON? BACON IS A CHEAT SOFTWARE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EVE. All of the points above here Reuser is about something that IS ingame and that is something totally different from what this topic is about.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 00:56:00 - [42] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 00:58:32 Originally by: Reuser Edited by: Reuser on 06/05/2008 00:53:36 Originally by: NightmareX Reuser, please don't make you look like an idiot by saying that. CCP Atropos said exactly how they was feeling and thinking about BACON there. I don't think they couldn't have had been any more clear on what he said there. Answer my question... Have you read CCP Atropos' comment? First sentence: Originally by: CCP Atropos Allow me to reiterate, what I've said is neither a CCP condemnation nor endorsement of the BACON project, or any similar tools. I don't think you didn't understand what he did mean by that. He is talking about the BACON project. He's basicly talking about why they can't do anything to stop the actually BACON project. But do still continue to flame me or try to defend BACON, you wont get ANY way with it anyways.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 01:02:00 - [43] Then tell me why CCP is changing the Logserver?, does they do it because they think it's fun? No, they do it for a REASON.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 01:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Reuser That being said, on to making fun of people... NightmareX? Are you ready to respond to any of my last 5 posts? Would you like to respond to my thought experiment? Do you know what a thought experiment is? No, because they are already been answered. Maybe not by me, but maybe by some others here in this topic.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:04:00 - [45] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto I respect CCP, as an entity, quite a lot. I respect this position of CCP's not at all. They're generally a pretty good company, but this whole incident seems to illustrate their complete lack of understanding of the power of a large, active, and passionate game community. I wouldn't expect that from a company that seems to foster that same activity in other fora, and who has gone so far as to hire a real economics prof for a virtual economy, actions which I thought were indicative of an understanding of the value of a large network of actors, but nonetheless it seems to be their stance. That must be the funniest thing i have read so far on this forum. But this whole incident seems to illustrate their complete lack of understanding you say? Wow, just wow.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Reuser Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Reuser I swear to God, you're either just an idiot or you don't care about crapping on CCP. You're like NightmareX, you read what you want to... I don't mind zealots. I mind _stupid_ zealots. Originally by: "CCP Atropos" Allow me to reiterate, what I've said is neither a CCP condemnation nor endorsement of the BACON project, or any similar tools. Originally by: "CCP Atropos" ...the community as a whole is infinitely more innovative and diverse than any testing or design platform we could envisage. It's not always ideal, but it is, in my opinion, inevitable.. Originally by: "CCP Atropos" What has happened is not inherently bad, and at no point does anyone here blame the developers of any of the third party tools. Originally by: "CCP Atropos" I hope this reduces the finger pointing at BACON, and it's Gunfleet developers, as well as the frankly ridiculous branding of both sides as idiots and/or carebears. Discuss. AGAIN, you uberfail to see the point in what CCP Atropos actually are meaning by that.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Reuser Originally by: NightmareX AGAIN, you uberfail to see the point in what CCP Atropos actually are meaning by that. And also, like CCP Atropos said HERE. I'm not going to divulge details on the subject, but the simple fact that players will goto such lengths to get an edge over players disturbs me quite deeply. CCP Atropos said that, and when he say that you ARE taking an advantage or edge over other players in EVE, then ofc it's cheat. Why wouldn't it be a cheat? Edit your posts much? Trying to revise history? It's common in the insane. Shut up about the editing, it's 04:16 AM here in Norway.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:25:00 - [48] Originally by: Reuser Originally by: NightmareX Shut up about the editing, it's allowed to edit a post when you see that you have tons of spelling errors and that. And not only that, it's 04:17 Am here in Norway. I don't mind spelling, you keep adding things... Seriously, at least give me an (EDIT) caption at the bottom of the post so I know which NEW argument to attack. That being said, you should go to bed, as you are making very little sense. I don't want to win against someone who is off his game. I'm making very little sense?, and that had to come from a Hydra member, seriously, get a grip.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa So Reuser, you going to reply to my post or are you just going to blow past it again? It's probably why he is trying to make all kind of excuses to my replys here, so he can talk it away to something else.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:36:00 - [50] Shakuul, have you actually readed the whole topic?
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:40:00 - [51] OH MY GOD, wall of useless text that doesn't have any sense / meaning at all.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:42:00 - [52] Originally by: Reuser Who are you anyway? Are you the uber-troll that NightmareX has on speed-dial? Don't talk about trolling here, because so far you have prooven to be more of a troll than all of the troll posts in total in this post.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:45:00 - [53] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 02:45:37 Jesus christ man, stop beeing an idiot Reuser.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:51:00 - [54] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 02:52:33 Originally by: Reuser Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 02:48:01 Jesus christ man, stop beeing an idiot Reuser. Oh hey, there is a Report button here, i'm tempted to try it out, because you doing nothing more than trolling and making excuses. ANOTHER EDIT! So what? I can edit my replys a billion times here without having anything to worry about, the edit button is there for a reason. Again, stay on topic. Make one more **** reply, and i will actually Report you.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Christari Zuborov Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 02:49:25 Jesus christ man, stop beeing an idiot Reuser. Oh hey, there is a Report button here, i'm tempted to try it out, because you doing nothing more than trolling and making excuses now. I think at this point he's just trying to get the thread locked - stop posting now so it's preserved in historical context for all to see. I know, and i also know that he see that i'm right and he can't do anything to save his pile of **** program, so he does everything he can do to try and get it locked. But take it easy, sending an Report right now.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 03:09:00 - [56] Again, stay on topic. Someone might get spanked seriously by a forum ban here if you don't keep this topic on topic.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 10:34:00 - [57] Franco Caruso, i agree on that. So the more Reuser are trying to defend BACON the more stupid he is, because BACON is decleared dead anyways by the devs. So why defend it? And again, if you want to discuss BACON here, then do it in a normal way instead of making all kind of excuses and trolls here. Because i think some new topics about BACON is going to get locked pretty fast anyways. So keep it all in one topic, also this one.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:35:00 - [58] Like i told on the reply before this one Virtuozzo, i have told everything i have to say about BACON. There was also a valid point why i made this topic, and it's been told several times in this topic, and i hope you accept it. Not sure if CCP have anything more to say or add though, but if you have, please do so.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Thorradin Edited by: Thorradin on 06/05/2008 12:10:21 Originally by: NightmareX Inability to accept GM Grimmi's post even though he's a lead GM. Your unwillingness to accept what one of the lead GMs (you know, thee guys who make and enforce rules on MMO) has said about a questionable program, and that they are working to effectively kill such programs, is a bit much, but atleast there's a bluebar in this thread. Like i said, what he said didn't explain the things i was after good enough. CCP Atropos explained exactly what i was after. The GM only said that it wasn't against the current EULA or TOS, and that was not enough for me or many others here. And i think you can agree on that to.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:41:00 - [60] Originally by: nastea Wow....All I can say is WAH about the whining about BACON. I think the GM's post sums it up. If you want some spyware on your pc that watches everything you do....Go play a rogue on warcraft, at least that way you will still get to sneak up on people and stab them in the back while having your computer monitored. Just admit your mad that you can't sneak up on certain people anymore and that your now simply projecting. If anything you made BACON more popular by having threads by this. "Whining is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do but gets you know where" Have you readed THIS?.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:04:00 - [61] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/05/2008 13:05:56 Originally by: nastea I have bedderer things to do than readed this. EDIT: BTW I have to thank you NightmareX for pointing this out to me....Considering what I have read. I think I may just install it until its deemed no longer working or its deemed "illegal". I am sure many other people can thank you for pointing it out to them. I will make a special place just for you in the XML file to alert me to if we are ever in the same zone...That I may say hello. Both me and CCP can't stop you or anyone else from using BACON until the Logserver is changed, and we wont stop you either. Simply because we can't atm. So just use BACON while you can. Or at least you could show CCP some respect by not using it. I at least did show CCP respect. Why do you think CCP is not to happy to post on the EVE forum today?, it's because so many players in EVE today doesn't respect CCP, and tbh, it's bad. Because the more CCP communicate with us on the forum, the better it is.
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:23:00 - [62] Originally by: nastea EDIT: If I did not respect them I wouldn't pay them...Besides its not against the Terms as previously stated. Breaking terms would be disrespect. So only because you pay them to play EVE it means you respect them?, you can pay them, but still be an utterly idiot on the forum and not respect CCP there. Not that i'm saying you are it, but you get the point?

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