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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 07/05/2008 12:48:25
it's pretty faulty logic people use when they claim goons are fail and that everything they accomplish is due to RA or AAA or TCF or the "coalition" (i'm assuming guys like avon are just trolling and don't actually believe what they post)
Goons have in fact been ridiculously successful in EVE so far, much more so than anyone expected of them and this whole coalition people say goons would be nothing without is pretty much entirely the creation of their leaders and diplomats, they were also its backbone while it was still active, not RA (impressive, but few in number and often suffer from apathy, lack of participation etc) or TCF (highly active for short bursts, but no stamina).
They may not have succeeded in wiping out GBC yet, but they have accomplished a lot, and they've survived everything that's ever been thrown at them, and constantly grown stronger while wiping out first LV's coalition and then many of BoB's allies..
GBC's strength was pretty severely reduced until the recent comeback, and while BoB like to make up fancy stories about how outnumbered they were, those are just that.
Doesn't really matter how many alliances are hostile to you if most of them don't show up to fight you, BoB almost always outgunned the forces arrayed against them in Querious and Delve, often to a ridiculous extent, when they didn't outright have more numbers they still had much much more battleships than the coalition gangs fighting them.
"80% of eve are here to kill us buhu" is nice propaganda and all but it never even came close to matching the reality, might as well set everyone red and go around yelling that everyone in EVE is trying to dine in NOL and that you're REPELLING THEM.
It was more funny before you edited it and stated that Goons didn't fail but BoB was stronger than ever.
BoB got what they wanted, and apparently no one can stop them unless another massive nap train is formed.
If anything THIS will weaken BoB more than the entire coalition, BoB will be bored.
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:23:00 -
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Aha O but "80%" (or at least the majority of the alliances if 80% is some random number) of 0.0 was attacking us, and coordinated with eachother (that's different to just setting everyone to -10). Remember 1000+ coalition pilots in 49-u when some titan was under attack or ~200 coalition capitals in TPAR?
Not our fault the coalition started to drop in numbers up until the point where we started outnumbering them >;( |
Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:24:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Larry Wong
post with your main
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Aha O but "80%" (or at least the majority of the alliances if 80% is some random number) of 0.0 was attacking us, and coordinated with eachother (that's different to just setting everyone to -10). Remember 1000+ coalition pilots in 49-u when some titan was under attack or ~200 coalition capitals in TPAR?
Not our fault the coalition started to drop in numbers up until the point where we started outnumbering them >;(
How is 1000 pilots, 80% of 0.0?
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Aha O but "80%" (or at least the majority of the alliances if 80% is some random number) of 0.0 was attacking us, and coordinated with eachother (that's different to just setting everyone to -10). Remember 1000+ coalition pilots in 49-u when some titan was under attack or ~200 coalition capitals in TPAR?
Not our fault the coalition started to drop in numbers up until the point where we started outnumbering them >;(
How can 80% of 0.0 be attacking you if the GBC itself was far more than 20% can you explain that to me because I'm confused and perplexed
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Shinori
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:09:00 -
[426]
Guys, it's too late, we're not going to make any sweet burns on page 16.
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Post
Man Pat And His Black And White Cat
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:11:00 -
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Congrats on driving BoB out of all their stations and making them hide in NPC ones. Postman Pat
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:13:00 -
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Hey guys, look at me learning from Tyrrax about honesty!
I'm so lucky to have such a great teacher help coach me on these here forums.
If Tyrrax says that the Goons acheived everything, and the rest of the coalition were riding on *thier* coat-tails, who am I to argue?
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Kaplanelle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:25:00 -
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Does anyone know of any really famous sweedish comedians? I'm just wondering 'cos I'm trying to understand if Swede humor is a lot like the dorky middleschoolers in band-class type of humor.
And the war in Delve was mostly tedious for all parties. Anyone claiming otherwise is revising history or loves the kick-yourself-in-the-******* kind of fun game mechanics.
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EvilChipmunk
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:31:00 -
[430]
Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!
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Kazimiera Bak
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kaplanelle Does anyone know of any really famous sweedish comedians? I'm just wondering 'cos I'm trying to understand if Swede humor is a lot like the dorky middleschoolers in band-class type of humor.
And the war in Delve was mostly tedious for all parties. Anyone claiming otherwise is revising history or loves the kick-yourself-in-the-******* kind of fun game mechanics.
Jokes on you.
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enjoi
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kaplanelle Does anyone know of any really famous sweedish comedians? I'm just wondering 'cos I'm trying to understand if Swede humor is a lot like the dorky middleschoolers in band-class type of humor.
And the war in Delve was mostly tedious for all parties. Anyone claiming otherwise is revising history or loves the kick-yourself-in-the-******* kind of fun game mechanics.
Your poasting style is defensive goon. This is a flaw. - Real men structure tank.
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Glitch 10240
Pant-E Raiders Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Glitch 10240 on 07/05/2008 15:55:32 Does this mean you'll be wanting your vacuum back? -------------------------------- BOB Didn't Want "insert lost region/space" Anyways
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: TWD Aha O but "80%" (or at least the majority of the alliances if 80% is some random number) of 0.0 was attacking us, and coordinated with eachother (that's different to just setting everyone to -10). Remember 1000+ coalition pilots in 49-u when some titan was under attack or ~200 coalition capitals in TPAR?
Not our fault the coalition started to drop in numbers up until the point where we started outnumbering them >;(
How can 80% of 0.0 be attacking you if the GBC itself was far more than 20% can you explain that to me because I'm confused and perplexed
Certainly. The "80%" is quoted from some post above him, nfi if it was 80%. Anyway, from that time around 49-u the GBC numbers were about 7k characters and the coalition peaked at 45k characters. Note that those numbers from the GBC side already means less than 20% of 0.0. To confirm these numbers, search the forum or something. There was this northern part of the coalition which contained alot of alliances from the north and a southern part of the coalition which contained alot of alliances from the south. They attacked BoB. Everyone thought BoB would lose and be spaceless. That didn't happen because the coalition got bored apparently and left us because they felt sorry (?) that they brought so many people as it wasn't really a fair fight and all that. |
Moe Sczyzlak
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Martin VanBuren *Invades goon space*
*Loses a titan and then all of their non delve space*
*Declares victory*
If I can muster the energy I think I'll count the posts in this thread made by goons yapping over "lost regions" You have GOT to have something else to say. |
Moe Sczyzlak
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kaplanelle Does anyone know of any really famous sweedish comedians? I'm just wondering 'cos I'm trying to understand if Swede humor is a lot like the dorky middleschoolers in band-class type of humor.
And the war in Delve was mostly tedious for all parties. Anyone claiming otherwise is revising history or loves the kick-yourself-in-the-******* kind of fun game mechanics.
So basing your view on swedish comedians on molles post? Does that mean all American comedians are racist and sexist white trash living in trailerparks with post-order wives?
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Cptn Obvious
POASTERS UNITED
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Posted - 2008.05.07 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
Originally by: TWD Aha O but "80%" (or at least the majority of the alliances if 80% is some random number) of 0.0 was attacking us, and coordinated with eachother (that's different to just setting everyone to -10). Remember 1000+ coalition pilots in 49-u when some titan was under attack or ~200 coalition capitals in TPAR?
Not our fault the coalition started to drop in numbers up until the point where we started outnumbering them >;(
How can 80% of 0.0 be attacking you if the GBC itself was far more than 20% can you explain that to me because I'm confused and perplexed
Certainly. The "80%" is quoted from some post above him, nfi if it was 80%. Anyway, from that time around 49-u the GBC numbers were about 7k characters and the coalition peaked at 45k characters. Note that those numbers from the GBC side already means less than 20% of 0.0. To confirm these numbers, search the forum or something. There was this northern part of the coalition which contained alot of alliances from the north and a southern part of the coalition which contained alot of alliances from the south. They attacked BoB. Everyone thought BoB would lose and be spaceless. That didn't happen because the coalition got bored apparently and left us because they felt sorry (?) that they brought so many people as it wasn't really a fair fight and all that.
why dont you stop with that all-eve-against-us bullsh1t? there were NEVER 7k, let alone 45k, people in your backyard. also how easy your forgot that you HAD allies, they got owned, and you were left alone. not that hard to understand even for a bobbit huh?
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Goons have in fact been ridiculously successful in EVE so far, much more so than anyone expected of them and this whole coalition people say goons would be nothing without is pretty much entirely the creation of their leaders and diplomats, they were also its backbone while it was still active, not RA (impressive, but few in number and often suffer from apathy, lack of participation etc) or TCF (highly active for short bursts, but no stamina).
If by backbone you mean cannonfodder..
I would actually agree to some extent, although it wouldnt be like you to try and make something relatively unexciting more dramatic.
In some aspects their leadership has been better than most.. but this is more in PR than anything (possibly logistics too). Getting RA on-side was much more important than you state.. it gave them credibility with other alliances.. that combined with game mechanics favouring zerk tactics, they sold an idea that ppl wanted to believe in.. that is was possible to beat BOB.. The question you raise is, was it them selling it? or the ppl buying it because they wanted to believe it..
Goons are an incompetent PVP group in terms of actual ship to ship combat.. without support particularly from RA, nearly any major alliance would walk over them.. Their success has been avoiding having to fight anyone alone sofar.. ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE) |
OldPueblo
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:18:00 -
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Haha it really burns everyone up how good goons are while also being the most uncoordinated half-assed alliance in the game.
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Scavok
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Scavok on 07/05/2008 17:25:00
The whole numbers argument so BoB can stroke their ***** faster is pretty stupid. Maybe the coalition had around 45,000 people, but as long as BoB was able to get 250-300 in a system for any significant fight then 45,000 doesn't really matter because the game doesn't function with much more than 600. This resulted in only a few core alliances fighting BoB while the fairweather coalition members would have a rotation of sorts sending pvpers down, but never dedicating themselves to anything but hoping for a fleet fight.
If it was at all possible to bring down thousands of people to deal with BoB's 200-350 person fleets then it would have been done ages ago. Just like BoB would have done to us about 1 year ago when they held the massive number and space advantage http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/20.06.109.jpg , but obviously they didn't. Is that because the RSF+AAA was just pure ******* awesome compared to BoB, BoB were incapable of summoning their pets and allies to the front, or because the game is limited and both sides were playing within those limitations?
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Iva Soreass
Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 07/05/2008 17:27:33 Oh looky more pubbie goon tear's and awwww now some RA tear's.
Cryalition living upto your name thats for certan!
Go on make more Cyno Jammer and Titan threads, will make you feel better.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:46:00 -
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So the toon changed from '*****train has no breaks' and 'NOL will fall in a week' to 'Cyno jammed systems impossible to take' and 'system cap saved BoB'. Classic fail.
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Scavok
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:47:00 -
[443]
quick use a third alt to make a third post
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.07 17:51:00 -
[444]
Edited by: Tzrailasa on 07/05/2008 17:56:44
Originally by: Scavok Post #470
You're saying this as if this is something completely new, and in that you're ignoring the whole EVE history about how alliances loose (or don't loose) wars.
Wars in EVE are generally not won by taking territory. It's not too difficult to hold your territory against even a numerically superior enemy (and rightfully so imho) as long as your fighting spirit is intact. ASCN, LV, the northern alliances when MC attacked them, MC lately, they didn't die from loosing territory, but because they lost the will to fight.... THEN they lost their territory!
Why did they all loose the will to fight? Because they lost the fights they were in!
You didn't manage to kill BoB's will to fight at any time during the conflict, because whenever our fleets met, 9 times out of 10 we'd slaughter yours for trivial losses. After QY6 was lost, there was some doubt as to whether we could hold Delve, but the spirit remained high for one simple reason: People were getting loads of kills and fun! For a PvP centric alliance like ours, that's bread, butter, cake and icing on top!
The only way you could have won was if you started actually winning the fights. There's a reason you didn't, and Molle said it SO well: "We're simply better than you!"
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MineralOel Steuer
Amarr OP EC
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 07/05/2008 18:10:51
Originally by: Tzrailasa "We're simply better than you!"
Does this mean we will see Bob jumping into enemy Fleets, instead of camping the gate with caps/supercaps/titans? |
Asred khan
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Asred khan on 07/05/2008 18:21:47
Originally by: Scavok whine about 45k people wasn't enough
So Delve had only one system?
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Moran Trayga
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 07/05/2008 17:25:00
The whole numbers argument so BoB can stroke their ***** faster is pretty stupid. Maybe the coalition had around 45,000 people, but as long as BoB was able to get 250-300 in a system for any significant fight then 45,000 doesn't really matter because the game doesn't function with much more than 600. This resulted in only a few core alliances fighting BoB while the fairweather coalition members would have a rotation of sorts sending pvpers down, but never dedicating themselves to anything but hoping for a fleet fight.
If it was at all possible to bring down thousands of people to deal with BoB's 200-350 person fleets then it would have been done ages ago. Just like BoB would have done to us about 1 year ago when they held the massive number and space advantage http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/20.06.109.jpg , but obviously they didn't. Is that because the RSF+AAA was just pure ******* awesome compared to BoB, BoB were incapable of summoning their pets and allies to the front, or because the game is limited and both sides were playing within those limitations?
Who said you had to get all 45000 in the same system? BoB owned more than one system right? - MORAN TRAYGA - |
Scavok
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:30:00 -
[448]
Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 07/05/2008 17:52:41
Originally by: Scavok Post #470
You're saying this as if this is something completely new, and in that you're ignoring the whole EVE history about how alliances loose (or don't loose) wars.
Wars in EVE are generally not won by taking territory. It's not too difficult to hold your territory against even a numerically superior enemy (and rightfully so imho) as long as your fighting spirit is intact. ASCN, LV, the northern alliances when MC attacked them, MC lately, they didn't die from loosing territory, but because they lost the will to fight.... THEN they lost their territory!
You didn't manage to kill BoB's will to fight at any time during the conflict, mainly because whenever our fleets met, 9 times out of 10 we'd slaughter yours for trivial losses. After QY6 was lost, there was some doubt as to whether we could hold Delve, but the spirit remained high for one simple reason: People were getting loads of kills and fun! For a PvP centric alliance like ours, that's bread, butter, cake and icing on top!
The only way you could have won was if you started actually winning the fights. There's a reason you didn't, and Molle said it SO well: "We're simply better than you!"
Yes, it's common knowledge that morale is how alliances die. I don't see how anything I said contradicts that.
I disagree that we never killed your will to fight though. We did several times, and it was extremely predictable and even manipulatable. We also knew very well what would restore your morale. Contrary to the terrible alliance name probably originally learned from the tv miniseries, BoB is nothing more than a pvp alliance with no outside game ties other than being highly competitive powergamers.
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Idaeus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tzrailasa For a PvP centric alliance like ours, that's bread, butter, cake and icing on top!
I don't think any of us doubt the PVP prowess of BoB. You're a PVP alliance, we aren't, and we never made claims to the contrary. I know the saying "5000 goons" gets tossed around a lot, but it was never that high, realistically. Some of us like PVP, and fighting the GBC was fun and challenging (we're the FPS/RTS crowd). But a large number of goons just want to sit in some quiet corner of the cluster and play "The Sims" in space. Thankfully EVE provides the opportunity for all styles of play.
For those of us that enjoyed the fight against BoB, it took a dramatic turn when you guys turtled, Nobody likes smashing themselves against a wall, over and over again, in EVE or in any other team game. The war stalemated, in terms of overall objectives (I'm sorry, but I'm still holding you to the No Goons/Conquer 0.0 statement, not the "Good Fights"), but the GBC can easily claim a strategic victory.
I apologize ahead of time for this post lacking any catchphrases or other typical CAOD content.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.07 18:42:00 -
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delivers this thread does
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