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Gnue
Caldari Star High Industries and Technology
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:22:00 -
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I would like to know what the candidates look at stealth bombers!
i used to get so mad about SB's not have the opportunity to fight like RL sub's or Stealth planes like B-2 bomer og F-117 Fighter! it is above all in space! so i get mad when i can't lock, shoot, before i have to uncloak! you do not see a submarine surface to get a fire solution, fire fish, then submerge down to 100 m debth, in RL warfare!! so if that not can be done then let's us not have SB's - what do the canditae look at the above issue!
Gnue
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Jess Ica
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jess Ica on 06/05/2008 13:37:21
Well there is a slightly difference.
The B-2 or F-117 have no real cloaking device! They are just invisible on radar. So we could introduce a Radar/sensor invisible cloak which takes u out of the overview but click and lockable on the space view and leave the cloaking device as it is....cause after uncloaking the system might not be able to react that fast.
I think this kind of ballance would be nice for cloaks....existing both of these makes the game more intresting!
Added: It would be maybe intresting if we could like in Star Trek add some kind of residum that ships that are cloaked leave behind and which with skills and a special device fitted u can track down the flight path. than when u find the final point where they warped u can try to fly around and uncloak them or add some kind of special missiles that can track on these emissions and find cloaked ships once u found the final warp in place....this way cloaking wouldn't be so easy and would make the "hunt" more intresting! Vote me for CSM! |
zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gnue I would like to know what the candidates look at stealth bombers!
i used to get so mad about SB's not have the opportunity to fight like RL sub's or Stealth planes like B-2 bomer og F-117 Fighter! it is above all in space! so i get mad when i can't lock, shoot, before i have to uncloak! you do not see a submarine surface to get a fire solution, fire fish, then submerge down to 100 m debth, in RL warfare!! so if that not can be done then let's us not have SB's - what do the canditae look at the above issue!
Gnue
how many cloaking spaceships do you know?
space shuttle? no cloak. no weapons.
you get teh point.
why do you expect a space-game to parallel archaic athmosphere or even submerged vehicles?
however, lets have it your way for a moment:
your "above all" fighter would still be taken down by an 20 years old mig 23 on visual contact whih have the better airodynamics and manuverability in dogfight
the "cloak" is not a cloak, it is a signature radius reducer which is cool and hi tech and not water resistant as ive been told
a heat seeker or radar missile can still lock on with some luck, and weapons that just do a barrage rain on fire will get it down w/o a lock.
(the us navy usses this barraging shield in their naval formations around carriers.)
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uboats, submerged vehicles are not cloaked either. they can be locked on from sky and water they can be seen by sonar. they can be heared and tracked by hydrophonic measure not to mention radio triangulation catching their comms.
a cloak is a new technology unparalleled in real life (except some experimental combat suits leaning towards what weve seen in that "predator" movie)
in sci-fi , i.e. star treck - ships have to decloak in order to shoot.
yeah i wish i could hit and get away unpunished and my opponent would have zero chance to catch me... but.. would that be fair and balanced?
recruiting -forum
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Jess Ica
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:41:00 -
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Quote: yeah i wish i could hit and get away unpunished and my opponent would have zero chance to catch me... but.. would that be fair and balanced?
But that's exactly what i mean! U can't get away and u shouldn't with a cloaking device! A anti radar/overview cloak though would be like these marine things u talk of. With the proper unit installed on ur ship u can counter that anti radar effect.
It's a discussion that surely can be evolved in something productiv for CCP to come up with. Vote me for CSM! |
Conq Er
Sweetrock Mining
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:57:00 -
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RL Reference==Insta Fail Thread.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:08:00 -
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Quote: Name: Manticore Hull: Kestrel Class Role: Stealth Bomber
Specifically engineered to fire cruise missiles, stealth bombers represent the next generation in covert ops craft. Advanced techniques in spatial distortion technology enable them to potentially fly faster when cloaked than when uncloaked - a fact which, coupled with their considerable firepower, makes them extremely dangerous in the hands of an accomplished pilot...
Next generation of Covert Ops Craft... that can't use a Covert Ops Cloak...
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Learn and be informed, because a Politicians worst nightmare is an informed voter...
So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gnue I would like to know what the candidates look at stealth bombers!
i used to get so mad about SB's not have the opportunity to fight like RL sub's or Stealth planes like B-2 bomer og F-117 Fighter! it is above all in space! so i get mad when i can't lock, shoot, before i have to uncloak! you do not see a submarine surface to get a fire solution, fire fish, then submerge down to 100 m debth, in RL warfare!! so if that not can be done then let's us not have SB's - what do the canditae look at the above issue!
Gnue
Hello Gnue. Luckily you have a candidate here that has fought using Stealth Bombers in eXceed under the excellent and unfaltering command of Admiral Goberius.
We've used these extensively against our pvp playmates (all good fights thank you all) and quite successfully too.
The thing with Stealth Bombers is that you cannot use them alone, you do need tacklers in the gang because there is the targeting delay effect of having a cloak fitted anyway and uncloaking. If you could insta uncloak and target at normal speed then we'd see everyone in SB's and that wouldn't be a fun game.
SB's are far from broken though.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.06 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gnue I would like to know what the candidates look at stealth bombers!
i used to get so mad about SB's not have the opportunity to fight like RL sub's or Stealth planes like B-2 bomer og F-117 Fighter! it is above all in space! so i get mad when i can't lock, shoot, before i have to uncloak! you do not see a submarine surface to get a fire solution, fire fish, then submerge down to 100 m debth, in RL warfare!! so if that not can be done then let's us not have SB's - what do the canditae look at the above issue!
Gnue
Eve cloaking/stealth is more akin to Star Trek "bird of prey" style antics where they move, find targets, de-cloak, fire, re-cloak to escape. And game-balance does come into the equation, being attacked by invisible enemy ships with no vulnerability would be problematic and if you had ships that could fire "submerged" you'd need counter ships with "sonar" "depth charges" and whatnot to give a fighting chance. Does open a huge can of worms really.
Course, you can still work wonders with Stealth Bombers: I love them and Star Fraction makes a lot of use of these ships and the techniques they allow, tale a look at these links and see what you think!
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All the best.
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