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MadMax Miner
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Posted - 2008.05.07 21:13:00 -
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I have been reading a lot of forums about mining related things and have seen a lot of people complaining about mining and how it is pointless espetially in 0.0! I just have started mining in 0.0 and I am making around triple what i have been making mining in high sec per hour. Like in the real world people that make things with lil risk dont make as much compared to jobs with lots of risk involved. So stop comparing mission running and mining like it is the same thing and say that miners get under paid and mission runners get paid too much. To be really effective in mining is as much skill intensive as taking out rats in missions and if you dont have the right skills one will definatly waste time and money doing something their Avatar is not set up to do. If you are a dedicated miner and your still complaining about traveling 40 jumps to get to the high end ore you probebly need to look for another place to mine it in. Im not going to fly to china to get some good fireworks, I will find a place that has just as good fireworks closer by. Thats where maps and scouting comes in! EVE is set up to work with other players and if you plan on mining in 0.0 by youself you will be learning a lot of hard lessons. Thats about enough to get this Topic going....put in your imput and any hints/Ideas that have not been disscused in other forums
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OakRavin
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Posted - 2008.05.07 23:11:00 -
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being a solo miner is one thing, its just you and your Hulk your risking
the downside is when you start playing Timmy the target to the local prat or corp or alliance who know that its their space thus their roids, especialy when your dealing with an outfit thats a bit eratic on what/when/where exactly their "homespace" is, or when your "team mining" or start dealing with the local "hide and seek and destroy" groups.
and as for the mining teams, well with haveing to switch from say 3 "Maxed mining and Cargo" riged hulks + Mining drones and a hauler to 1 "Unbreakable tank" hulk with combat drones + 1 hauler and 1-2 escorts rideing shotgun, and the "big margin" you see on thoes "more valuable" ores tends to go away fairly quickly.
add in the minerals that come flowing in from ratting and missions and you have to wonder why anyone bothers to mine 0.0
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.07 23:39:00 -
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Last I checked solo 0.0 mining nets 18 mil an hour with the best ores (yeah, better than hi sec, by the time you make enough ISK you're replacing your hulk again). Mission running nets about 30 mil an hour.
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MadMax Miner
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Posted - 2008.05.07 23:49:00 -
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Like stated before, Planning makes everything, mining solo in 0.0 will teach you painfull lessons and you dont intrude into someones 0.0 with out asking. if you dont think their terms are fair then look for another place. So far i see 2 guys that did bad planning and now complain about it. If ur lossing a hulk every few mining ops then ur definatly not learing on YOUR PAINFULL LESSON.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 08/05/2008 00:35:29 Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 08/05/2008 00:30:31
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Like stated before, Planning makes everything, mining solo in 0.0 will teach you painfull lessons and you dont intrude into someones 0.0 with out asking. if you dont think their terms are fair then look for another place. So far i see 2 guys that did bad planning and now complain about it. If ur lossing a hulk every few mining ops then ur definatly not learing on YOUR PAINFULL LESSON.
Who said I'm complaining? Who said I've lost low-sec/0.0 hulks? Think I'm not learning my "Painful lesson"? I've got nothing to learn. You, on the other hand, obviously need to learn a thing called reading, since you clearly missed the part where I said
Quote: Last I checked solo 0.0 mining nets 18 mil an hour with the best ores. (...) Mission running nets about 30 mil an hour.
Sure, it verifies your statement, most Hi-sec mining makes 6-8 mil an hour with an identical 0.0 fit. Doesnt mean missions dont make you more.
EDIT: I'll be generous and say you're running a fully fledged mining fit. You're still only making on-par with missions.
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MadMax Miner
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Posted - 2008.05.08 00:39:00 -
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I already stated that mission running makes more money then mining. that is a fact. But it also comes with more risk. If u say mining in 0.0 has more risk then running level 4 missions then ur just mining wrong in that area. You are the one that implied that you need to buy a new hulk ever few mining ops.
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OakRavin
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Posted - 2008.05.08 03:40:00 -
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ok lets examin
in the time it takes you to skill up to a 00 fited Hulk you could have also skilled up to a 00 fitted ratter-mission runner.
for the cost of a T2 fitted hulk with a 00 ready tank you could have fitted out a Domi or Mega with lots of wonderfull toys.
And have the ability to make solo prats think twice about tangleing with you.
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Nul Settys
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Posted - 2008.05.08 14:57:00 -
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Quote: If u say mining in 0.0 has more risk then running level 4 missions then ur just mining wrong in that area.
This doesn't make much sense. Running level 4 missions in empire has no risk; how could mining in 0.0 be less risky?
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Greenbolt
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nul Settys
Quote: If u say mining in 0.0 has more risk then running level 4 missions then ur just mining wrong in that area.
This doesn't make much sense. Running level 4 missions in empire has no risk; how could mining in 0.0 be less risky?
Let me say..
Mining in the right 0.0 is alot safer than running L4 missions in the wrong high sec.
Heresy you say?
I know of many 0.0 systems that you can fly a pimped out hulk back n forth to your refining pos in system and jump out the minerals via rorqual/dreadnaught/carrier/jump freighter and never see a non blue. (And if you do see a non blue..your corp mates and blue friends can come gank him freely.)
I know of certain high sec (especially Caldari Mission hubs) that I wouldnt dare fly my pimped out mission ship in .. and definately wouldnt fly through the gates.
So I will agree with the post with one caveat.
If you say mining in 0.0 has more risk than running level 4 missions then your just mining wrong in that area...or not mission running in a primary hub. --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi? |
sgt carlini
Caldari The 10th Order
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Posted - 2008.05.08 16:45:00 -
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Also, you have failed to factor in that many mission runners can tank the rats and make double money with NO risk. Hell, people farm missions with NO risk. Mining in 0.0 in a safe place is called clever. Less risk. Mission running in a very busy caldari hub is called not clever. They are different things and contradict the fact that it was said ealier that people aren't clever and doing smart things.
So being smart at mining is good and not being so is bad, yes. Being stupid at mission running isn't really comparible. When the war comes, caldari are going to kick some galleante and minmatar rear! |
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Greenbolt
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.05.08 19:08:00 -
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sgt carlini
good point.I am corrected..
(Although there must be alot of 'less' clever people as the mission hubs in Caldari space still look very busy (based on map statistics)) --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi? |
Dorian 'Gray
Gallente Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.08 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: MadMax Miner I already stated that mission running makes more money then mining. that is a fact. But it also comes with more risk. If u say mining in 0.0 has more risk then running level 4 missions then ur just mining wrong in that area. You are the one that implied that you need to buy a new hulk ever few mining ops.
Mining in 0.0 requires alot more 'work' to be 'safe' than doing Lvl 4 Mission in High Sec. There is alot more work/risk involved mining 0.0. Your statement is false. I am curious how long you have been mining and how many lvl 4 missions you have done ? Its just that your char is only about 2 months old is this an alt if so how long have you been mining ?
In our lifetime those who kill The newsworld hands them stardom And these are the ways On which I was raised......
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Kane Kaldorei
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Posted - 2008.05.09 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs Last I checked solo 0.0 mining nets 18 mil an hour with the best ores (yeah, better than hi sec, by the time you make enough ISK you're replacing your hulk again). Mission running nets about 30 mil an hour.
I make over 40 mil an hour. Have I missed something?
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FlameGlow
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.09 10:27:00 -
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If you're not happy with isk/hour you make mining go thank macrominers for that
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Fivel Ve
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.09 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: MadMax Miner I have been reading a lot of forums about mining related things and have seen a lot of people complaining about mining and how it is pointless espetially in 0.0! I just have started mining in 0.0 and I am making around triple what i have been making mining in high sec per hour.
those whines are posted by people who don't want any competition
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