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Sasha Lyre
Gallente Blood Music
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Posted - 2008.05.11 20:56:00 -
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I've spent several days now browsing various killboards and also a small trip in a cov-ops (thx mm for releiving me of that ship :p) to access the situation 'up north'.
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
I have a heap of respect for celes and some old mates in the likes of ganja, so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Also what are tri doing, very little input for their friends in insurgency, apart from some frankly epic failures. Are they next ? Could they and all their residents, realistically numbering 'a lot' have done more ?
Discuss please. Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins |
Sexy Cynos
Hardcor3 Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.11 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Sexy Cynos on 11/05/2008 21:14:41
edit: as said celes and tri just want to have fun and not be part of the huge nap blob.
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Kaleeb
Gods Unwanted Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
Obviously you haven't done enough research because if you had you would know that Darth/Celes/Insrg play eve to have fun so showing the eve community how eve should be played seems like a damn good idea to me
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Sasha Lyre
Gallente Blood Music
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Originally by: Sasha Lyre
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
Obviously you haven't done enough research because if you had you would know that Darth/Celes/Insrg play eve to have fun so showing the eve community how eve should be played seems like a damn good idea to me
I think you should check how many capitals they've lost and how camped they have been, if thats fun then blow me a bubble.. Your Blood Goes to my Head and the Music Flows through my Veins |
Jaini Hotori
GTE Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:11:00 -
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I don't think you "Get" insurgency. Furthermore.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:12:00 -
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I'd use an alt (or a goon character) if i wanted to start a thread this bad too ------------------ x-DSMA (Menta) x-CA (OMEGA/BOS) x-.5.(ATUK) BOB (DICE) |
Fendragun
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre I've spent several days now browsing various killboards
very dull few days _______________________________________________ S T A N Former DICE ceo Former ATUK director Former MACE ceo
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Yes: we found some Dysprosium while rummaging through the bins in Branch and it all went downhill...
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Fear Not
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Have we ganked your main or something?
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre I've spent several days now browsing various killboards and also a small trip in a cov-ops (thx mm for releiving me of that ship :p) to access the situation 'up north'.
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
I have a heap of respect for celes and some old mates in the likes of ganja, so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Also what are tri doing, very little input for their friends in insurgency, apart from some frankly epic failures. Are they next ? Could they and all their residents, realistically numbering 'a lot' have done more ?
Discuss please.
This is just my personal take on things, not an official 'INSRG post'...
Its no secret that INSRG made a decision not to join the northern NAPtrain. We like operating alone. And we were offered the opportunity to join the NC on several occasions (MM/RZR offered us the BKG/LXWN stations for example). Its not a decision any of us regret, we've had a really good time, and we enjoy the attention and a target rich environment.
We kind of took our space 'by accident', in that we placed some POS to force fights, and ended up taking the space as a result, but it was never part of our gameplan initially, it just rolled forward.
We talked about selling the stations before and after we took them, perhaps we should have done that, but then we wouldn't have had 5 amazing weeks of fighting and a Titan kill under our belt :)
Internally I think most people are very proud of what we've done and how long we've held out. We always honestly said we couldnt hold out against IRON, MM, RZR, ME, STPL, MH, PURE, HYDRA and anyone else I've forgotten. Its a mark of our determination we've made them bleed for every inch of space and our killboard campaign is a testament to that. We've done better than we expected. 260bn ISK is what its cost the NC to take the space from our alliance, in ship losses alone. I'm very pleased with that.
I've heard talk of 'failure cascade' but that doesnt really apply to us. Yes, we're burnt out, who wouldn't be with what we have arrayed against us. But not a single corp has left. Member numbers have been 100% stable. Whenever there is a reasonable chance of fighting we do so. We had 330 online this evening and 230 in fleet. Sure, NC had a lot more, with their member numbers they surely will without breaking a sweat. For INSRG though, thats no failure cascade :)
You talk about my corps influence. What do you really know about us? I'm guessing not very much. Its no secret that my corp don't like the gameplay approach of the NC, but thats up to them. Also we hold as much influence in INSRG as any other corp, no more or less. We certainly didn't force the alliance to not join the NAPtrain, it was a collective agreement and one I think everyone in INSRG still believe was the best thing to do, with the most enjoyable consequences.
We've had fun, what more can you ask from a computer game?
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Prez21
coracao ardente Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre I've spent several days now browsing various killboards and also a small trip in a cov-ops (thx mm for releiving me of that ship :p) to access the situation 'up north'.
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
I have a heap of respect for celes and some old mates in the likes of ganja, so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Also what are tri doing, very little input for their friends in insurgency, apart from some frankly epic failures. Are they next ? Could they and all their residents, realistically numbering 'a lot' have done more ?
Discuss please.
So you think it would have been a better idea for insurgency to nap the rest of the north and just sit in there space with very few targets to shoot? that sounds like real fun
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Miss Behavin
Strangers With Candy
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:31:00 -
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You keep calling them the NAPTrain, however, your alliance has been so shockingly ignorant that the monkeys would finally brush off your little bee sting with a 100 megaton warhead.
Its not like there hasn't been history of the NC's having extremely violent reactions to any one of their entities.
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Sasha Lyre
Gallente Blood Music
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sasha Lyre on 11/05/2008 21:38:56
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Sasha Lyre I've spent several days now browsing various killboards and also a small trip in a cov-ops (thx mm for releiving me of that ship :p) to access the situation 'up north'.
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
I have a heap of respect for celes and some old mates in the likes of ganja, so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Also what are tri doing, very little input for their friends in insurgency, apart from some frankly epic failures. Are they next ? Could they and all their residents, realistically numbering 'a lot' have done more ?
Discuss please.
This is just my personal take on things, not an official 'INSRG post'...
Its no secret that INSRG made a decision not to join the northern NAPtrain. We like operating alone. And we were offered the opportunity to join the NC on several occasions (MM/RZR offered us the BKG/LXWN stations for example). Its not a decision any of us regret, we've had a really good time, and we enjoy the attention and a target rich environment.
We kind of took our space 'by accident', in that we placed some POS to force fights, and ended up taking the space as a result, but it was never part of our gameplan initially, it just rolled forward.
We talked about selling the stations before and after we took them, perhaps we should have done that, but then we wouldn't have had 5 amazing weeks of fighting and a Titan kill under our belt :)
Internally I think most people are very proud of what we've done and how long we've held out. We always honestly said we couldnt hold out against IRON, MM, RZR, ME, STPL, MH, PURE, HYDRA and anyone else I've forgotten. Its a mark of our determination we've made them bleed for every inch of space and our killboard campaign is a testament to that. We've done better than we expected. 260bn ISK is what its cost the NC to take the space from our alliance, in ship losses alone. I'm very pleased with that.
I've heard talk of 'failure cascade' but that doesnt really apply to us. Yes, we're burnt out, who wouldn't be with what we have arrayed against us. But not a single corp has left. Member numbers have been 100% stable. Whenever there is a reasonable chance of fighting we do so. We had 330 online this evening and 230 in fleet. Sure, NC had a lot more, with their member numbers they surely will without breaking a sweat. For INSRG though, thats no failure cascade :)
You talk about my corps influence. What do you really know about us? I'm guessing not very much. Its no secret that my corp don't like the gameplay approach of the NC, but thats up to them. Also we hold as much influence in INSRG as any other corp, no more or less. We certainly didn't force the alliance to not join the NAPtrain, it was a collective agreement and one I think everyone in INSRG still believe was the best thing to do, with the most enjoyable consequences.
We've had fun, what more can you ask from a computer game?
I applaud your sentiments but would ask if you could comment on a few things.
Are you now the spokesperson for insurgency and can you confirm that you took all those systems and placed all the many 100's of pos with the express intention of sellng them all?
While none of us would argue with ur status of standings, when it was revealed on caod that you intended to invade one of ur neighbours and then negotiated 'nap' standings with Triumvirate, Phalanx Alliance, Destiny, ATF, to name a few, would you concede that you boarded a seperate 'naptrain', but perhaps not the train that your enemies were on? Surely your huge alliance, coupled with your new allies massive cap fleet and experienced pvpers could have provided more of a challenge for these northern monkeys, who were steam rolled by MC, easily ?
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 11/05/2008 21:39:15
Originally by: Prez21 So you think it would have been a better idea for insurgency to nap the rest of the north and just sit in there space with very few targets to shoot? that sounds like real fun
They were perfectly happy to NAP and befriend us, MM and a bunch of other northern alliances for about half a year while they established themselves in Branch, so your argument doesn't really correspond to their actions.
When these NAPs ended, it was in most cases the other alliance - i.e. not INSRG - that ended the NAP.
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Arendis
The Phoenix Confederacy Raging Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Please mods lock this right now before there is another flame fest.
The hate between the two forces is to big and this will result in bad wording once again.
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BoB sucks
Burning Bush Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Sasha Lyre I've spent several days now browsing various killboards and also a small trip in a cov-ops (thx mm for releiving me of that ship :p) to access the situation 'up north'.
Having checked previous intel and politics it would beg the question, why did insurgency take the decision to alienate themselves from the neighbourhood ?
I have a heap of respect for celes and some old mates in the likes of ganja, so was it anything to do with the influence from corps like hobos?
Also what are tri doing, very little input for their friends in insurgency, apart from some frankly epic failures. Are they next ? Could they and all their residents, realistically numbering 'a lot' have done more ?
Discuss please.
This is just my personal take on things, not an official 'INSRG post'...
Its no secret that INSRG made a decision not to join the northern NAPtrain. We like operating alone. And we were offered the opportunity to join the NC on several occasions (MM/RZR offered us the BKG/LXWN stations for example). Its not a decision any of us regret, we've had a really good time, and we enjoy the attention and a target rich environment.
We kind of took our space 'by accident', in that we placed some POS to force fights, and ended up taking the space as a result, but it was never part of our gameplan initially, it just rolled forward.
We talked about selling the stations before and after we took them, perhaps we should have done that, but then we wouldn't have had 5 amazing weeks of fighting and a Titan kill under our belt :)
Internally I think most people are very proud of what we've done and how long we've held out. We always honestly said we couldnt hold out against IRON, MM, RZR, ME, STPL, MH, PURE, HYDRA and anyone else I've forgotten. Its a mark of our determination we've made them bleed for every inch of space and our killboard campaign is a testament to that. We've done better than we expected. 260bn ISK is what its cost the NC to take the space from our alliance, in ship losses alone. I'm very pleased with that.
I've heard talk of 'failure cascade' but that doesnt really apply to us. Yes, we're burnt out, who wouldn't be with what we have arrayed against us. But not a single corp has left. Member numbers have been 100% stable. Whenever there is a reasonable chance of fighting we do so. We had 330 online this evening and 230 in fleet. Sure, NC had a lot more, with their member numbers they surely will without breaking a sweat. For INSRG though, thats no failure cascade :)
You talk about my corps influence. What do you really know about us? I'm guessing not very much. Its no secret that my corp don't like the gameplay approach of the NC, but thats up to them. Also we hold as much influence in INSRG as any other corp, no more or less. We certainly didn't force the alliance to not join the NAPtrain, it was a collective agreement and one I think everyone in INSRG still believe was the best thing to do, with the most enjoyable consequences.
We've had fun, what more can you ask from a computer game?
Stop crying about picking a fight with RZR/MM/IRON, they have always violently reacted to anyone attacking each others space. period. fullstop. you always fight them together.
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Destruct
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Blah, blah and yet more blah.
Bitter much? Do as you preach... Stop whining and play the game.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Fear Not
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog This is just my personal take on things, not an official 'INSRG post'...
Originally by: Sasha Lyre Are you now the spokesperson for insurgency
... ?
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Sexy Cynos
Hardcor3 Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:42:00 -
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agreed, lock this thread its obviouse flameage.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct
Originally by: Butter Dog Blah, blah and yet more blah.
Bitter much? Do as you preach... Stop whining and play the game.
I see only one bitter person in this thread and thats an op. Hi majesta/stellapolar/whatever alt !
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De Vito
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:43:00 -
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o/
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct
Originally by: Butter Dog Blah, blah and yet more blah.
Bitter much? Do as you preach... Stop whining and play the game.
You forgot to troll with your alt. What part of my post seems bitter? The part where I've said we've had fun and enjoyed it?
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Stephra Parle
Dark Angel Security
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct
Originally by: Butter Dog Blah, blah and yet more blah.
Bitter much? Do as you preach... Stop whining and play the game.
Are you an idiot?
I don't see any whining in that post - more like a "so long and thanks for all the fights" post! ---------- Never fly faster than your angel can |
Destruct
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Stephra Parle
Originally by: Destruct
Originally by: Butter Dog Blah, blah and yet more blah.
Bitter much? Do as you preach... Stop whining and play the game.
Are you an idiot?
I don't see any whining in that post - more like a "so long and thanks for all the fights" post!
it just contains so much bs it makes my eyes hurt. that's all.
You can get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. - Al Capone
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Lodhi
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:48:00 -
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alt + post = fail
simple isnt it?
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Serena DeVire
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: BoB sucks
Stop crying about picking a fight with RZR/MM/IRON, they have always violently reacted to anyone attacking each others space. period. fullstop. you always fight them together.
You appear to be misinformed. First up, they didn't react at all at first, in fact the general consensus seemed to be sux2bu for their tenants. It wasn't until RZR were asked to take down a dyspro pos that any of this kicked off.
Second: no fight was picked tbh, all standings were mutually reset by all parties involved, the root cause being said pos removal request and it's replacement with a faction deathstar.
Third: IRON have only recently entered the fight, somewhat of a suprise to some INSRG members because of the help they have given them in the past.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sasha Lyre I applaud your sentiments but would ask if you could comment on a few things.
Are you now the spokesperson for insurgency and can you confirm that you took all those systems and placed all the many 100's of pos with the express intention of sellng them all?
While none of us would argue with ur status of standings, when it was revealed on caod that you intended to invade one of ur neighbours and then negotiated 'nap' standings with Triumvirate, Phalanx Alliance, Destiny, ATF, to name a few, would you concede that you boarded a seperate 'naptrain', but perhaps not the train that your enemies were on? Surely your huge alliance, coupled with your new allies massive cap fleet and experienced pvpers could have provided more of a challenge for these northern monkeys, who were steam rolled by MC, easily ?
As I said I'm just speaking for myself, its a personal perception not an official INSRG stance :)
Selling the stations was discussed both during and after taking them. I can't say it was our definate plan, we didnt have a definate plan as we didnt expect to take the space. You're exaggerating the POS numbers somewhat, we originally had about 5 per station system so thats 20 rather than hundreds (/me shudders at the though of refueling hundreds). In the end, just before the NC arrived, we were starting to rent out the space as we werent using it for mining etc. Most of it was going to waste.
You talk about the COAD revelation, but that was false intel. We didnt intend to assault RZR or MM at all. Firstly because we didn't think we could (Sov 4, and we knew the North would rally together in defence), and secondly we didn't want to. Our target was actually to remove SRBI from the area, and we did make a start on reinforcing their POS just a day before RZR & Co reset standings toward us.
TRI were red to us until they offered assistance once the NC has started the steamroller. So I can't really comment on your last point, looks a little like trolling to be honest. As I've already said we had no plans or desire to assault RZR/MM space and nor did we think we could do so, even if we wanted to.
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Jon Hawkes
The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Destruct it just contains so much bs it makes my eyes hurt. that's all.
Sorry bud, but you've got no idea how high morale still is in Insurgency. We've had some *****ing fights, netted a Titan kill, ****ed a lot of alliances off and gained a lot of respect. Now we can look forward to not having to deal with an inbox full of POS screaming out for fuel every morning and run some smaller, less blobby and laggy gangs. I for one can't wait!
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Frygok
Minmatar M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:55:00 -
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I'm out of game, so I have only been forumwhoring during all this :)
The one thing I wonder about is why Insurgency chose to attack the North. I thought that Celes would forever be deadly enemies of BOB, and thus they could have had ton of fighting BOB. Or even have a threesom with BOB and BRUCE. Basically, the reason for fighting the north instead of the traditional enemies of CELES (And arguably Eve Defense Force, ASCN-time).
It seems that everything turned out great though, as both sides have seemed happy with the current conflict. I wish I could have been a part of this struggle, but alas!
Good fights to everyone!
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Sasha Lyre
Gallente Blood Music
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Posted - 2008.05.11 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Sasha Lyre I applaud your sentiments but would ask if you could comment on a few things.
Are you now the spokesperson for insurgency and can you confirm that you took all those systems and placed all the many 100's of pos with the express intention of sellng them all?
While none of us would argue with ur status of standings, when it was revealed on caod that you intended to invade one of ur neighbours and then negotiated 'nap' standings with Triumvirate, Phalanx Alliance, Destiny, ATF, to name a few, would you concede that you boarded a seperate 'naptrain', but perhaps not the train that your enemies were on? Surely your huge alliance, coupled with your new allies massive cap fleet and experienced pvpers could have provided more of a challenge for these northern monkeys, who were steam rolled by MC, easily ?
As I said I'm just speaking for myself, its a personal perception not an official INSRG stance :)
Selling the stations was discussed both during and after taking them. I can't say it was our definate plan, we didnt have a definate plan as we didnt expect to take the space. You're exaggerating the POS numbers somewhat, we originally had about 5 per station system so thats 20 rather than hundreds (/me shudders at the though of refueling hundreds). In the end, just before the NC arrived, we were starting to rent out the space as we werent using it for mining etc. Most of it was going to waste.
You talk about the COAD revelation, but that was false intel. We didnt intend to assault RZR or MM at all. Firstly because we didn't think we could (Sov 4, and we knew the North would rally together in defence), and secondly we didn't want to. Our target was actually to remove SRBI from the area, and we did make a start on reinforcing their POS just a day before RZR & Co reset standings toward us.
TRI were red to us until they offered assistance once the NC has started the steamroller. So I can't really comment on your last point, looks a little like trolling to be honest. As I've already said we had no plans or desire to assault RZR/MM space and nor did we think we could do so, even if we wanted to.
Fair enough, good answer, so sounds like you were just defending your space and then were set upon by several alliances, as you say it seems strange that all these alliances banded together to attack you, especially iron as I see lots of join kills on their killboard.
Are you being completely honest with us ?
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