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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 09:03:00 -
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Defender missiles are not useless. There is at least one application of them for which they function quite well. A corp mate of mine discovered it, but I won't say what it is. It's not fantabulous, but they're not useless.
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Benco97
Gallente Exchangable Properties
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:15:00 -
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Well...you USED to be able to. I remember franticly trying to lock onto missiles before they hit me. Oh well.
Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.
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Kerby Roid
Vaere Family Mining Ltd
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Posted - 2008.05.12 10:37:00 -
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I know for a fact that you can look at missiles once in flight but can they be locked? Even if they can the lockon time would be far to long to be able to shoot one down before it hits. Unless you want ammo that dont need to lockon which would not make sense? (FoF missiles use onboard computers)
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Ryuu Katsu
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ryuu Katsu on 12/05/2008 11:25:47 Edited by: Ryuu Katsu on 12/05/2008 11:18:18 May I direct your attention to the US navy Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS).
This is a current day,active missile defense gunnery platform, so even though it does not have a proven track record and missiles anti-missile defense systems are slowly replacing them. It demonstrates the progress that has been made in such platforms. So in the world of EVE, far into the future, one would expect an effective anti-missiles gunnery system to be available.
Perhaps offer a dedicated gunntype for defending against incoming missiles, that way it would be a strategic decision whether or not to install one just as in the case of defense missiles (unless my memory fails me and you can fire defense missiles from any old rocket/missiles launcher).
*edit 1. update, fixed link *edit 2. updated the text a bit after finishing reading through the whole article nb. "Phalanx in Combat" section. ======================== Real men structure tank.
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Wild Rho
Amarr GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.05.12 11:17:00 -
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Once upon a time an anti missile system would have been very useful but with the current mechanics even defenders aren't really necessary anymore.
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Kami Nodachi
Gallente Lobstosity
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Posted - 2008.05.12 12:03:00 -
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Just to make things clear, all I want is more options. More variables in combat. It really annoys me that PvP = as much gank as you can strap onto a webbing armour tank. Everyone is flying the same kind of ship.
I am all for anti-gun weaponry as well, maybe flak missiles, that disperse an area effect that slows tracking, has a chance of disrupting locks, and severely cuts damage of any rounds that pass through it. Easily fluffed by saying its a cloud of reflective nanites that are attracted to the spectrographic signatures of common ammo types, that covers hybrid, projectile and laser weapons. -Minna miteite kure- |
Kami Nodachi
Gallente Lobstosity
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Posted - 2008.05.12 12:05:00 -
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And a similar flak 'bomb' that you can drop behind you, perfect for getaways -Minna miteite kure- |
Dionisius
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dionisius on 12/05/2008 12:20:22 Why not just use Flak ammo, it could be made to explode between 5 - 10 km, and depend on explosion velocity ,gun tracking and missile size ( ie. sig radious ) to be successfull at detonating missiles and torpedoes.
The smaller the missile, or the faster depending on the case, the harder to hit.
Kinda you could fit that ammo on regular close range weapons like autocannons, blaster and pulses and well it pretty much explodes within a short range. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief. |
Kami Nodachi
Gallente Lobstosity
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Posted - 2008.05.12 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kami Nodachi on 12/05/2008 14:15:44 And yes, I have tried to lock on to missiles. Not that hard, almost got the lock, and then some silly error about the target being 'unlockable'
Addendum: Why shouldn't webbers work on missiles? Or a webber variant? -Minna miteite kure- |
LittleTerror
Caldari MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.05.12 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gan'it Hunhau
Originally by: LittleTerror Edited by: LittleTerror on 12/05/2008 07:49:36 Edited by: LittleTerror on 12/05/2008 07:49:10 Someone get killed by a raven?
There is already weapons that kill torps with one shot and they are large smartbombs
sorry, youre either clueless or a troll, smartbombs dont damage missiles
Well they must have changed them then because last time I used a smart bomb it destroyed torps. |
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.12 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Shionoya Risa on 12/05/2008 15:27:11
Originally by: Gan'it Hunhau
Quote: There is already weapons that kill torps with one shot and they are large smartbombs
Sorry, you're either clueless or a troll, smartbombs don't damage missiles
Epic.
Sorry, you're either clueless or a troll, smartbombs do damage missiles.
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.12 15:35:00 -
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How about lasers that shoot down missiles :/
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.05.12 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon I still think ammar lasers should have a chance to shoot down missles.
only if I can have wind-down windows on my raven so I can stick my hand out with a mirror to reflect your lazorz!
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Mr Siman
Spawn More Overlords
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:05:00 -
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Why would I waste precious highslots to defend against missiles when I can use a variety of modules in mids and lows to do the job even better? As it turns out, most of these modules work well against guns too!
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:20:00 -
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I really wish Defender Missiles worked well, but the unfortunate truth is that they just don't cut it.
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:23:00 -
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It's called ECM... ------------------
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Atreus Tac
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Posted - 2008.05.12 16:36:00 -
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yes im caldari,
but if there is anti missile ammo, make incendiary missiles that burn right through a ship that automatically pods everyone. happens in real life dosent it.
my point being, it a game and is made to be FUN on realistic. -Cheers-
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Hori To
NorCorp Security eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:26:00 -
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I want to see the flak weaponry the battlestar galactica has. |
Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:41:00 -
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Missiles already suck, why bother?
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Hanneshannes
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Posted - 2008.05.12 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Tac yes im caldari,
but if there is anti missile ammo, make incendiary missiles that burn right through a ship that automatically pods everyone. happens in real life dosent it.
my point being, it a game and is made to be FUN on realistic.
The ships in EvE can withstand way too mcuh punishment for it to look realistic anyway but the pvp engagements are really short now, make it more realistic and they will last between 5 and 20 seconds in future :(
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Tizoca
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Posted - 2008.05.12 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes
Originally by: Atreus Tac yes im caldari,
but if there is anti missile ammo, make incendiary missiles that burn right through a ship that automatically pods everyone. happens in real life dosent it.
my point being, it a game and is made to be FUN on realistic.
The ships in EvE can withstand way too mcuh punishment for it to look realistic anyway but the pvp engagements are really short now, make it more realistic and they will last between 5 and 20 seconds in future :(
Realistically, there is no strong basis for the idea of shields, so ships should be forced to rely on armor alone. Realistically, faster than light travel is impossible without prohibitive amounts of energy. Realistically, there is no way to transfer consciousness from a dead body to a clone. Realistically, a projectile weapon used at the ranges battleships attack from should be easily dodged by anything with a speed of a few hundred meters per second, no matter how fast the turret is able to traverse.
This is a game, screw realism. Missiles have been nerfed enough; even high level mission rats take a frustratingly long time to die now because of all the defenders they spew out. Leave the poor missile boats alone, okay? Better yet - BUFF MISSILES!
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.12 18:48:00 -
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i want the NPC defender launcher. the chance based one.
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Revnant
Uninvited Guests Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:36:00 -
[53]
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!
What about......Anti missile and ammo Lasers! K, cause they're lasers right. So they shoot at the speed of light, right? So they will just go ZAP ZAP ZAP, and the other guy will go awwww man you shot my ammo AND my missiles. And that would be cool.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Revnant Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!
What about......Anti missile and ammo Lasers! K, cause they're lasers right. So they shoot at the speed of light, right? So they will just go ZAP ZAP ZAP, and the other guy will go awwww man you shot my ammo AND my missiles. And that would be cool.
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Sharp Feather
Gallente Ministry of Natural Resources
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Posted - 2008.05.12 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ryuu Katsu Edited by: Ryuu Katsu on 12/05/2008 11:25:47 Edited by: Ryuu Katsu on 12/05/2008 11:18:18 May I direct your attention to the US navy Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS).
This is a current day,active missile defense gunnery platform, so even though it does not have a proven track record and missiles anti-missile defense systems are slowly replacing them. It demonstrates the progress that has been made in such platforms. So in the world of EVE, far into the future, one would expect an effective anti-missiles gunnery system to be available.
Perhaps offer a dedicated gunntype for defending against incoming missiles, that way it would be a strategic decision whether or not to install one just as in the case of defense missiles (unless my memory fails me and you can fire defense missiles from any old rocket/missiles launcher).
*edit 1. update, fixed link *edit 2. updated the text a bit after finishing reading through the whole article nb. "Phalanx in Combat" section.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaw, you beated me to it. /tear
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.12 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Revnant Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!
What about......Anti missile and ammo Lasers! K, cause they're lasers right. So they shoot at the speed of light, right? So they will just go ZAP ZAP ZAP, and the other guy will go awwww man you shot my ammo AND my missiles. And that would be cool.
it's called having a high transversal.
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Revnant
Uninvited Guests Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.12 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Revnant Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, WAIT!
What about......Anti missile and ammo Lasers! K, cause they're lasers right. So they shoot at the speed of light, right? So they will just go ZAP ZAP ZAP, and the other guy will go awwww man you shot my ammo AND my missiles. And that would be cool.
it's called having a high transversal.
Should I have used emoticons or something?
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.12 20:29:00 -
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This topic again? :(
Haven't missiles been nerfed enough already? How about the ability to reflect lasers or block projectiles too while we are at it?
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.05.12 20:40:00 -
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Can i have anti gun missiles too then please? kthnxbye _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.05.12 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hanneshannes How about lasers that shoot down missiles :/
I feel like I should be sitting across the table from Dr. Evil.
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