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900V
Esokal Command Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.08 21:49:00 -
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so market discussions these days are all about bonds and loans.......not interesting |
Atima
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.09.08 22:11:00 -
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It's been like this since old days. |
Zeta Zhul
Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.09.09 02:40:00 -
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If only there was a dedicated forum for that sort of thing.
We can only dream. |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:26:00 -
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I think there was a suggestion about it - divide market discussions into two subsubforums - economy discussions and loan &bonds. Would help a lot, I believe. |
Companion Qube
Electron Conservation Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 03:45:00 -
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Here's an idea, add some content instead of complaining about the lack of content. |
Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest THE D0MINION
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Posted - 2011.09.09 04:49:00 -
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What about suggesting to add content? |
Vangeleon
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.09 07:43:00 -
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Suggesting that CCP make a sub catorgory for bonds and loans is like saying that they are an important part of the game. Yet I believe the game can also work very well without them. After all, I do not see the [bonds & loans] button on my station panel. Perhaps you should be discussing a possible ingame function for this? |
Atima
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.09.09 07:51:00 -
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Vangeleon wrote:Suggesting that CCP make a sub catorgory for bonds and loans is like saying that they are an important part of the game. Yet I believe the game can also work very well without them. After all, I do not see the [bonds & loans] button on my station panel. Perhaps you should be discussing a possible ingame function for this?
Maybe you should GTFO back to C&P or whatever hell hole you came from.
MD has very few new threads as it is. If they were to further divide the forum then the traffic here would be negligable. |
Gatan Hahran
Brukterer DUCT TAPE UNION
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Posted - 2011.09.09 10:00:00 -
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Before making a subforum for Bonds&Loans they should first do a subforum for lotterys in the sell forum. MD needs no subforums, its all the art of trolling, market threads are just a slightly different kind of trolling than IPO/Bond threads.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.09 14:30:00 -
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900V wrote:so market discussions these days are all about bonds and loans.......not interesting
You haven't been on MD for let's say the last 3 years ?
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GreasyCarl Semah
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.09 15:16:00 -
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They should also make a forum for scams and another for scamolas.... |
Zagam
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:11:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:They should also make a forum for scams and another for scamolas.... That subforum would be named "Tollatopia". |
Vangeleon
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:57:00 -
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Atima wrote:Maybe you should GTFO back to C&P or whatever hell hole you came from.
MD has very few new threads as it is. If they were to further divide the forum then the traffic here would be negligable.
I am not for or against the topic. My responce to this thread was to help raise some ideas to further this discussion. If eve players never visit these forums, then they wont know about the bonds and loans that are available in these threads. And I have alot a friends that dont give these forums the time of day because they are too busy sitting in jita playing the .01isk game.
I would like to see bonds and loans singled out and advertised in game. It may be better for everyone? Eve Gate is pretty good place to start just imagine the tabs.... FURUM INDEX - SEARCH - DEV POSTS - CURRENT BONDS - LOANS - FAVORITES
In regard to the forum structure, I have no problem with. The search function is a pretty good tool...dont you think? |
900V
Esokal Command Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:31:00 -
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i believe market discussions should handle the market related stuff , i didn't study economics , but aren't bonds and loans something closer to finance than that of market discussions. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.10 09:11:00 -
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900V wrote:i believe market discussions should handle the market related stuff , i didn't study economics , but aren't bonds and loans something closer to finance than that of market discussions.
And again the question is have you been on MD for the last 3+ years?Been like that since then.Also the amount of scams would be significantly higher OR the chance of filling a bond significantly lower.
You know what would happen if you take the bond/loan offers out? DEAD MD and nothing more.You'll see the same threads on first page without a response for 3+ days all the time.
In short you'd kill the loans and forums in one shot with your proposal.As said before start a topic with a discussion you feel worthy of MD rather then complain a lack of them.
Complaining about something is easy , contributing to the solution of that problem on the other hand ....
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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
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Posted - 2011.09.10 11:18:00 -
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flakeys wrote:And again the question is have you been on MD for the last 3+ years? ...
Complaining about something is easy , contributing to the solution of that problem on the other hand ....
I don't see a point in stating how somethings was, like forever, when there is clearly some need (in the eye of the OP) for change.
I too would rather like this forum divided, because the things I am interested in are often off of the first page faster then I like. |
Thoraemond
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2011.09.10 15:06:00 -
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Thebriwan wrote:[...] the things I am interested in are often off of the first page faster then I like. Good news! There are handy buttons just above (and just below) the list of topics in the forum that allow you to see the posts beyond the first page. You can also link directly to the later pages, e.g., this link to the second page. |
900V
Esokal Command Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:10:00 -
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[/quote] And again the question is have you been on MD for the last 3+ years?Been like that since then.[/quote]
Solution: something that has been for long doesn't mean it has been right or fair.
[/quote]Complaining about something is easy , contributing to the solution of that problem on the other hand ....[/quote]
Solution: divide the MD to 2 categories:
1) legal scams/isk hookers/money lenders and RL economic losers trying to mimic RL finance system into eve. 2) useful market discussions with things related to eve.
PS: This is a GAME. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:22:00 -
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Fix the damn quote allready ccp |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.10 18:23:00 -
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900v wrote: Solution: divide the MD to 2 categories:
1) legal scams/isk hookers/money lenders and RL economic losers trying to mimic RL finance system into eve. 2) useful market discussions with things related to eve.
PS: This is a GAME.
Lol at the ps this is a game.I ain't the one complaining how my forum is not filtered from X or Y.Ever noticed how much posts and threads there are created on a normal daily MD day?Just enough to cover the first page on a good day with fresh posts.
So again , i see complains but i still don't see any new thread relating to what you or others who prefer the split call a usefull market discussion.Go on ... make the thread and maybe make the change.And once we have enough ''good discussions market related'' going on we can start talking about removing the loans.Till that time removing them serves no purpose what so ever appart from showing just how dead the MD is without those loan threads.
Edit: sorry about the 2 previous remarks.Quote did not work and when trying to edit made post again.] |
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.09.10 22:08:00 -
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which thread is this again? le sigh |
Cheekything
Black Lance Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2011.09.11 01:40:00 -
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There is a section for it but they don't want them either.
It's called sell orders. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2011.09.11 06:11:00 -
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Atima wrote:Vangeleon wrote:Suggesting that CCP make a sub catorgory for bonds and loans is like saying that they are an important part of the game. Yet I believe the game can also work very well without them. After all, I do not see the [bonds & loans] button on my station panel. Perhaps you should be discussing a possible ingame function for this? Maybe you should GTFO back to C&P or whatever hell hole you came from. MD has very few new threads as it is. If they were to further divide the forum then the traffic here would be negligable.
At least the one good thread a week wouldn't be buried in a mountain of jita-local-like bond spam.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.11 08:25:00 -
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Another day , another person asking for loans to be moved .... and still no MD worthy thread started by those in favour of moving the loans out.
I won't give up hope though , tomorrow will be a different day .... you just watch .... change , change is gonna come. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.11 15:25:00 -
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Sounds like someone has an RMT operation he wants to protect...
Trebor passed on this suggestion to one of the community managers before the forums launched, however like much else with CCP simple fixes get dropped on the floor. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.11 16:57:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Sounds like someone has an RMT operation he wants to protect...
Trebor passed on this suggestion to one of the community managers before the forums launched, however like much else with CCP simple fixes get dropped on the floor.
And yet you prove what i said above by making your next MD post a bond one.Not an iskloan but stated by yourself as a bond and as such making it once more obvious that those who favour of moving the bonds/loans out are not trying to make the change as to make Md worth it to move those threads out.THAT is what annoyes the hell out of me.It's like making a thread saying 'Hey CCP i want empire to be fully safe from any suicidegankers' and then right after it i take out my smartbomb rokh and gank on the perimeter gate.If you want the change you work for making it happen.
Unlike what you think i would LOVE it they where seperate IF the MD forum had much more to offer but it does not. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.11 17:44:00 -
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MD of old had lots to offer, assuming you were willing to dig through tons of silly bond offerings. No one bothers posting any useful discussion any more as the discussion gets drowned out.
I also thought the Tyrannis NPC PI fuckup was stupid and should never have happened, doesn't mean I wouldn't profit from it. Or farm Likes, and if you can't see the logic behind that then you are severely deficient in logic sause. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.09.11 18:02:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MD of old had lots to offer, assuming you were willing to dig through tons of silly bond offerings. No one bothers posting any useful discussion any more as the discussion gets drowned out.
The number of posts and threads made is a LOT lower then it used to be.That offcourse goes for all the forums , just look at CAOD and crime and punishment.As such these days IF you would create a topic worth reading as you state it would be much more visible and stay visible for a longer time then it used to.
I looked at the old MD posts yesterday and what i noticed was a lot of the posts between 2004 and 2007 contained stuff wich allready IS removed from MD.Sales of ships etc in 2004 was posted here as such there was a WTS/WTB forum created.There was a lot of discussion going on in regards to industry etc wich now is being posting in it's own forum.
What i am trying to say is that besides that old days allways look better in our views usually , the MD also contained posts wich where moved to other sub forums on demand.As such moving out the loans will indeed make MD pure and clear but in my believe it will also be the final blow the MD forum needs to become obsolete.
Would CCP see the need in having a subforum wich only has a handfull of posts on a weekly base is the key question. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.12 00:20:00 -
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Congratulations for arguing for our position, we appreciate it. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
900V
Esokal Command Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.13 01:21:00 -
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flakeys wrote: I looked at the old MD posts yesterday and what i noticed was a lot of the posts between 2004 and 2007 contained stuff wich allready IS removed from MD.Sales of ships etc in 2004 was posted here as such there was a WTS/WTB forum created.There was a lot of discussion going on in regards to industry etc wich now is being posting in it's own forum.
quite true , if you start a search on the forums about practicly anything , you will get a bunch of posts dating back to older dates .you may dislike the fact that eve is "drained out" as there is almost litlle to no updates about the game itself wch is not surprising and come with the natural evolution of a game. loans threads in MD have take a good place in forums (mainly because a bunch of pple end up losing their money to a scam) , but still creating a subforum for them is still a good option and its not stripping them from their importance. its just a way to make forum nice and fluffy! |
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Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
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Posted - 2011.09.14 01:55:00 -
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I believe that the reason there are so few decent threads in MD is because they get buried under a mountain of isk-begging bond/loan threads.
Build it and they will come. |
Lederstrumpf
Tax Evasion Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.09.14 06:55:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Fix the damn quote allready ccp
Still dreaming? |
Lederstrumpf
Tax Evasion Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.09.14 06:57:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MD of old had lots to offer The number of posts and threads made is a LOT lower then it used to be. [..] Would CCP see the need in having a subforum wich only has a handfull of posts on a weekly base is the key question.
CCP is blind. Farewell Market Discussions. |
HalfArse
Independent Miners Guild Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.14 18:05:00 -
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Id love more interesting threads but to be honest what is there to actually talk about? No one wants to mention anything to precise about the market or comment on prices / trends because everyone here are traders and dont want to flood their markets but letting the world know about them.
Until there is actual new economic content that creates new and interesting stuff for us to talk about and build upon what can we say that hasnt been said a million times before. At least the bond ppl are providing some extra content that would otherwise be lacking from the game. And every so often you get someone who has really thought hard about coming up with something new and interesting - even tho it will generally get shot down and trodden on as a likley scam or overly flawed somehow.
Having said that, actual discussion threads can be hard to spot through all the bonds n stuff :P |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
272
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Posted - 2011.09.15 01:04:00 -
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HalfArse wrote:Id love more interesting threads but to be honest what is there to actually talk about? No one wants to mention anything to precise about the market or comment on prices / trends because everyone here are traders and dont want to flood their markets but letting the world know about them. I was under the impression MD was filled with people wanting to show off how e-rich and e-successful they were. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
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Posted - 2011.09.15 18:41:00 -
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900V wrote:so market discussions these days are all about bonds and loans.......not interesting
Most of the others have been hashed and rehashed.
I'd like to see more discussion about specific markets yet, I don't want to talk about markets I'm in ! lol
The more attention something gets, the more likely the profits will get squeezed for the type of trading I do (or used to do and might return to) |
Dynast
Osirians Of Eve Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.15 22:06:00 -
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Moving bond offerings, IPOs and the like to Sell Orders really wouldn't be a bad thing though. They're not discussion threads, at least not most of the time, they're business requests -- much like any other sell order. For bonus points, we could move all Bank threads to Crime & Punishment. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.09.16 00:59:00 -
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Dynast wrote:Moving bond offerings, IPOs and the like to Sell Orders really wouldn't be a bad thing though. They're not discussion threads, at least not most of the time, they're business requests -- much like any other sell order. For bonus points, we could move all Bank threads to Crime & Punishment. Are potential investors more likely to be browsing MD or Sell Orders?
I was going to post my next bond offering in MD, but given the hostility to such postings, I'm hesitant to do so. My target audience would be investors, not buyers, so I think I'd get more of the desired attention in MD than Sell Orders.
I can understand the reasoning of moving such offerings out of MD though. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.16 05:51:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Are potential investors more likely to be browsing MD or Sell Orders? Potential investors are most likely to see the bond offerings if they are posted on the client log-in screen. 73,500 AUR ($367.5) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
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