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Zara Torbe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:31:00 -
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There seems to be a rather large misconception about the Black Rise region which will be introduced with FW.
This is not an 'arena' or some kind of new battleground.
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
As mentioned by CCP, the low sec DMZ type area between Gal/Cal space was lacking in size, shape, gates, stations etc. this has been 'fixed'
It appears that it will be no different from any of the other low sec areas already in existence.
FW seems to initially introduce low sec RVR between the four main Empire factions.
Listen to the live dev blog, read other posts, chat to your online spaceships friends and gain some better understanding before whining.
PS: Sorry about that Nyx, seems the brakes failed, don't get angry about it :(
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In4r4
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zara Torbe There seems to be a rather large misconception about the Black Rise region which will be introduced with FW.
This is not an 'arena' or some kind of new battleground.
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
As mentioned by CCP, the low sec DMZ type area between Gal/Cal space was lacking in size, shape, gates, stations etc. this has been 'fixed'
It appears that it will be no different from any of the other low sec areas already in existence.
FW seems to initially introduce low sec RVR between the four main Empire factions.
Listen to the live dev blog, read other posts, chat to your online spaceships friends and gain some better understanding before whining.
PS: Sorry about that Nyx, seems the brakes failed, don't get angry about it :(
GTFO, Eve forumites are entitled to whine about new features even when they have not bothered to read what they are whining about.
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Gloria Stitz
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------ |
Zara Torbe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Do continuously die in low sec.. or?
I have lived in various low sec for long periods throughout my time playing EVE. Never had that much of an issue.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Indeed. And as everyone knows they are utterly impossible to evade or defeat.
It is a well-kept secret - I may be killed for revealing this - that upon declaring yourself a pirate, any ship you fly gets double hitpoints, scan res and base resistances. You also get access to a secret channel, special mods and a plug-in to the scanner that tells you exactly where the nearest non-pirate is at any time. True story.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Where? im always up for some easy cap-kills.
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Cruachan Argylle
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.16 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Indeed. And as everyone knows they are utterly impossible to evade or defeat.
It is a well-kept secret - I may be killed for revealing this - that upon declaring yourself a pirate, any ship you fly gets double hitpoints, scan res and base resistances. You also get access to a secret channel, special mods and a plug-in to the scanner that tells you exactly where the nearest non-pirate is at any time. True story.
Easy to get past if you know how, but they are trying to get inexperienced ppl in t1 small ships to go through those gates. If the first couple of times they get wasted at a gate, they won't be going back.
Every yarr merchant in eve will be on those gates looking for easy kills.
Looks like another underused bit of content.
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Zara Torbe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cruachan Argylle
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Indeed. And as everyone knows they are utterly impossible to evade or defeat.
It is a well-kept secret - I may be killed for revealing this - that upon declaring yourself a pirate, any ship you fly gets double hitpoints, scan res and base resistances. You also get access to a secret channel, special mods and a plug-in to the scanner that tells you exactly where the nearest non-pirate is at any time. True story.
Easy to get past if you know how, but they are trying to get inexperienced ppl in t1 small ships to go through those gates. If the first couple of times they get wasted at a gate, they won't be going back.
Every yarr merchant in eve will be on those gates looking for easy kills.
Looks like another underused bit of content.
You're talking about literally hundreds of gates, are low sec gates camped that much nowadays?
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Cruachan Argylle
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zara Torbe
Originally by: Cruachan Argylle
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Gloria Stitz
Originally by: Zara Torbe
It is simply yet another 'low sec' region.
correct, with all the gallente/caldari fw in it, and all the pirate carrier gatecamps as usual
Indeed. And as everyone knows they are utterly impossible to evade or defeat.
It is a well-kept secret - I may be killed for revealing this - that upon declaring yourself a pirate, any ship you fly gets double hitpoints, scan res and base resistances. You also get access to a secret channel, special mods and a plug-in to the scanner that tells you exactly where the nearest non-pirate is at any time. True story.
Easy to get past if you know how, but they are trying to get inexperienced ppl in t1 small ships to go through those gates. If the first couple of times they get wasted at a gate, they won't be going back.
Every yarr merchant in eve will be on those gates looking for easy kills.
Looks like another underused bit of content.
You're talking about literally hundreds of gates, are low sec gates camped that much nowadays?
I count 12 gates into black rise - i may have missed one
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Zara Torbe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cruachan Argylle I count 12 gates into black rise - i may have missed one
OK so just BR region again...
You believe all of those 12 gates will be camped to the point where FW won't be possible?
You believe all the 'pirates' camping those gates will just ignore each other and hug the gates?
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Cruachan Argylle
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zara Torbe
Originally by: Cruachan Argylle I count 12 gates into black rise - i may have missed one
OK so just BR region again...
You believe all of those 12 gates will be camped to the point where FW won't be possible?
You believe all the 'pirates' camping those gates will just ignore each other and hug the gates?
Here is the relevant text from here http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=557
'Oh, and Black Rise
One last little thing, when we were sketching out the combat areas for all this stuff, we kept running into one brick wall in particular: Caldari low sec space, well, kind of sucks.
Specifically, there isn't much of it, and what there is, is mostly in the wrong place (i.e. well away from the Gallente border). This is, for a system which needs decent expanses of lowsec space between the Empires, a problem. So we looked at the map and decided that there was room for a bit more. '
So yes, they will be camped.
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Jakus Cemendur
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:14:00 -
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Black Rise isn't the only low sec place that FW will be taking place in, it's just being added to bulk out the low sec between Gallente and Caldari space.
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Cruachan Argylle
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Black Rise isn't the only low sec place that FW will be taking place in, it's just being added to bulk out the low sec between Gallente and Caldari space.
You are correct, however since the vast majority of players in eve are caldari or gallente, this is going to be by far the busiest area.
Especially when you consider how many amarr/minmatar loyalists have been taken out of FW with the alliance thing.
At a wild guess i'd say 70-80% of fw will happen in black rise and the neighbouring gallente low sec systems.
I might start camping it myself
It just seems like another attempt to make low sec used. Looks like it will be as successful as lvl5s.
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Rulkez
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Cruachan Argylle
Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Black Rise isn't the only low sec place that FW will be taking place in, it's just being added to bulk out the low sec between Gallente and Caldari space.
You are correct, however since the vast majority of players in eve are caldari or gallente, this is going to be by far the busiest area.
Especially when you consider how many amarr/minmatar loyalists have been taken out of FW with the alliance thing.
At a wild guess i'd say 70-80% of fw will happen in black rise and the neighbouring gallente low sec systems.
I might start camping it myself
It just seems like another attempt to make low sec used. Looks like it will be as successful as lvl5s.
Really ? well im gallente, ill be declaring for the gallente, and if the majority of people stay in BR, then me and nmy friends will be in amar low sec, taking the control points uncontested
The fights should be dynamic, if its too busy in BR, people will head to one of the other regions low sec
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:04:00 -
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There are forty six systems in Gallente lowsec space that are also part of the Gallente/Caldari area, mainly in Placid and the northern border of the big Essence/Sinq/Verge block. We wanted to have a decent amount of lowsec on both sides of each border to use, and while the Gallente have plenty, the Caldari had not very much, so we added some more. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:43:00 -
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Alliance tournament style arenas would have been more successful, and you all know it.
Imho, don't hold another alliance tourney until you're willing to let everyone in eve to experience a controlled eve spaceship battle.
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Zara Torbe
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: LetsDoThis Alliance tournament style arenas would have been more successful, and you all know it.
Imho, don't hold another alliance tourney until you're willing to let everyone in eve to experience a controlled eve spaceship battle.
War isn't fair, war isn't balanced.
I do not want to play Chess online thanks.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:49:00 -
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Ok,
I'm not trying to nitpick here. I've listened to the recording of the Dev blog (missed it live, I was working) and I've had quite a few of my concerns allayed about it. However I do have a question:
One thing I don't understand, and I'd be very interested to hear the RP backstory on, is how "Black Rise", an area that previously was an unnavigable void devoid of stars, now suddenly has stars and bases and such? How will the sudden appearance of the stars be explained? And what about them suddenly being Caldari lowsec systems?
Will it be shown that the Caldari State had been able to access these systems some time ago, but kept them hidden until recently? (Perhaps revealed through some event connected to the Empyrian Age trailer?) And what about the stars "suddenly" being there? Was there some kind of freaky black nebula surrounding that region that has suddenly dispersed? How will this be explianed?
Don't get me worng, I'm NOT complaining. I'm just curious and want to know.
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LetsDoThis
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Zara Torbe
Originally by: LetsDoThis Alliance tournament style arenas would have been more successful, and you all know it.
Imho, don't hold another alliance tourney until you're willing to let everyone in eve to experience a controlled eve spaceship battle.
War isn't fair, war isn't balanced.
I do not want to play Chess online thanks.
Just sayin, no more alliance tourneys. CCP don't want to be flaming hypocrites or do they.
Everyone is all hard and 'eve isn't easy' until the alliance tourneys come around, then they all support it for like a week, but then its back to being all hard, rawr!
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Jay Marshall
Caldari Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:52:00 -
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I agree.
I forsee gate camps at almost all the low-sec entry gates of BR as alliances move in to control the areas, just like they do in other low-sec to high-sec entry points. The amount of people trying FW missions will probably be high at start, then dwindle fast as they realize that anytime they jump in one alliance or an other will be sitting there blasting away not caring about FW. Why should they, when hundreds will be jumping into thier crosshairs to be destroyed then salvaged and looted.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.16 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jay Marshall I agree.
I forsee gate camps at almost all the low-sec entry gates of BR as alliances move in to control the areas, just like they do in other low-sec to high-sec entry points. The amount of people trying FW missions will probably be high at start, then dwindle fast as they realize that anytime they jump in one alliance or an other will be sitting there blasting away not caring about FW. Why should they, when hundreds will be jumping into thier crosshairs to be destroyed then salvaged and looted.
Heh. Good point. I still haven't heard how the Devs will deal with that, Unless they plan on bringing in NPC cap ship fleets periodically to clear the gates for the FW folks. Which, actually, would be pretty cool. I'd love to see a massiive 250 NPC titan + Capship + BS and support fleet come and spank a major 0.0 Alliance trying to camp a lowsec gate.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:04:00 -
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Veldspar!
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Jay Marshall I agree.
I forsee gate camps at almost all the low-sec entry gates of BR as alliances move in to control the areas, just like they do in other low-sec to high-sec entry points. The amount of people trying FW missions will probably be high at start, then dwindle fast as they realize that anytime they jump in one alliance or an other will be sitting there blasting away not caring about FW. Why should they, when hundreds will be jumping into thier crosshairs to be destroyed then salvaged and looted.
Heh. Good point. I still haven't heard how the Devs will deal with that, Unless they plan on bringing in NPC cap ship fleets periodically to clear the gates for the FW folks. Which, actually, would be pretty cool. I'd love to see a massiive 250 NPC titan + Capship + BS and support fleet come and spank a major 0.0 Alliance trying to camp a lowsec gate.
I hope they do do that as really it would be the only way to truely have factional warfare be this "ease into pvp" that they want it to be. If you have battle hardened players controling entry into the faction warfare area, why bother? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Cruachan Argylle
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Jay Marshall I agree.
I forsee gate camps at almost all the low-sec entry gates of BR as alliances move in to control the areas, just like they do in other low-sec to high-sec entry points. The amount of people trying FW missions will probably be high at start, then dwindle fast as they realize that anytime they jump in one alliance or an other will be sitting there blasting away not caring about FW. Why should they, when hundreds will be jumping into thier crosshairs to be destroyed then salvaged and looted.
Heh. Good point. I still haven't heard how the Devs will deal with that, Unless they plan on bringing in NPC cap ship fleets periodically to clear the gates for the FW folks. Which, actually, would be pretty cool. I'd love to see a massiive 250 NPC titan + Capship + BS and support fleet come and spank a major 0.0 Alliance trying to camp a lowsec gate.
Not a bad idea.
Another way might be for the factions to beef up their frontline defences (i.e. superduper untankable very long range gate turrets)
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Fredior Khan'Sebies
Minmatar Mikramurka Solace
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:09:00 -
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Hate to break this to the nay-sayers, but how many of you have seen the rpers who will be the ones largely involved in FW at work? Most of the groups I've been familiar with have been pretty much pvping this whole time over highsec and lowsec and nullsec. I think that the newcomers, while outmatched, will find people willing to help them get some experience. Pirates will probably find their gates contested by fleets of veterans looking to gain their faction another system or two.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Fredior Khan'Sebies Hate to break this to the nay-sayers, but how many of you have seen the rpers who will be the ones largely involved in FW at work? Most of the groups I've been familiar with have been pretty much pvping this whole time over highsec and lowsec and nullsec. I think that the newcomers, while outmatched, will find people willing to help them get some experience. Pirates will probably find their gates contested by fleets of veterans looking to gain their faction another system or two.
That's if the RPers ever get to join in. At the moment they are excluded because they don't want to break up their existing alliance structure. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:24:00 -
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I have to agree with the "positive" people. The gate into Cloud ring is probably going to be quite heavily camped 23/7. But the rest. Unless they're completely clueless the faction warfare people will band together and sweep away any gatecamps standing in their way. In a few months people will probably get the idea that it's not such a good idea to stand in the way of a gang of FW-ites looking for a fight and the camping on black rise highways will drop off. That is, unless the rumors that Black Rise will contain a higher-than-average amount of dysprosium moons proves to be true.
Overall, Caldari space really needed more low-sec. As it is there are only a handful of routes, and those are heavily camped since there is such a large amount of people in Caldari high-sec and so few ways from high-sec to low-sec and from low-sec to 0.0. Black Rise is a good thing. Opening up another route to Cloud Ring is also a good thing. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Bronson Hughes
The. Conspiracy
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Veldspar!
Oh yes, there will be Veldspar. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Cosmar
Gallente Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.16 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmar on 16/05/2008 14:59:10
Originally by: Jay Marshall I agree. I forsee gate camps at almost all the low-sec entry gates of BR as alliances move in to control the areas, just like they do in other low-sec to high-sec entry points.
I've never seen a large alliance camp a lowsec to highsec gate.
I think that most of the time the numbers will be in favor of the FW people. Ofcourse there's be stragglers that get caught by pirates, but i think that in time Faction Militas will be as redutable as large 0.0 player alliances and will take effective ownership of parts of lowsec.
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Helferle
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Posted - 2008.05.16 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmar ...but i think that in time Faction Militas will be as redutable as large 0.0 player alliances and will take effective ownership of parts of lowsec.
This.
I also think these militia-alliances will be NRDS Alliances controlling areas of their lowsec and effectivly hunting pirates (they're shooting reinforcements and supply so they have to get rid of them). If this takes place large areas of lowsec are alot more secure than it is today and lowsec eventually gets more populated as time goes by. But this is all speculation...can one ever predict how eve looks like in a week or even a month? so stay tuned...i'm really interested in how this expansion takes place in the eve universe
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