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Duke Zero
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:37:00 -
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For people who have been playing for a while will be the first to notice.
Prices for everything are spinning out of control. Most loot is better to refine then it is to sell. very few things you can make for a profit (not counting t2) Ore prices are bottoming out. Why on earth is the most common ore one of the best to mine in high sec.
Solutions anyone?
I have a crude and intense solution that may upset a lot of people for a while but i think in the long run it will put us back on track.
remove asteroids from the game for xx days.
!! ARE YOU CRAZY !! hear me out. the reason things are becoming so cheap is because the supply is much higher then the demand. Think about it. if we can stick it out long enough for the market to pick back up we will all be happer people. Our hard work will pay off more in the long run. The risk we take to jump into low sec will be worth it again and everyone will be happer... that is unless your a macro miner
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Shiodome
Caldari Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.05.17 20:59:00 -
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you think the 'supply' is from mining? you think it won't go straight back to the current levels a short while after this interferance?
ok then... _____________________________________ today i am this cool: [uncool]================[*]====[cool]
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Dosgar
Caldari Panic DHH
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Posted - 2008.05.17 21:16:00 -
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Prices fluctuate all the time.
Why is this a C&P post?
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Lea Re
Caldari Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.17 21:17:00 -
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wtf has that got to do with c&p ? if i looked really hard, there might be a hint of connection, but c'mon, don't spoil my pvp_fun_stuff with some serious economics
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Avoheja
Caldari The Venture Co.
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Posted - 2008.05.17 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dosgar Prices fluctuate all the time.
Why is this a C&P post?
Because the flames in MD would melt his motherboard.
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Faekurias
Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:49:00 -
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Ohrly? Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected] |
Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2008.05.17 22:55:00 -
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If your trading alt/s isn't bringing the isk in, try somewhere apart from Jita. Jita is the place I go when I'm desperate, it's the 1st port of call for fools
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:12:00 -
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Your terrible post is so terrible it gave me cancer. I hope you feel bad inside
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Erialor Godsent
Gallente Federal Navy Support Divison
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:32:00 -
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Crossposting is bad.... --
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.05.17 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist Your terrible post is so terrible it gave me cancer. I hope you feel bad inside
cancer jokes = not funny fyi
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Orar Ironfist
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
Originally by: Orar Ironfist Your terrible post is so terrible it gave me cancer. I hope you feel bad inside
cancer jokes = not funny fyi
my grandma died of cancer and its still funny
Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
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Faife
Noctiscion Twilight Trade Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.18 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Orar Ironfist my grandma died of cancer and its still funny
so these two cancers walk into a bar, and the bartender goes "hey, are you a string?" and the cancer says "i'm afraid not!" :D
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 02:14:00 -
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Everyone listen to this guy, he's like modern-age Adam Smith. [/sarcasm] _
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Opertone
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:16:00 -
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the price wars are legitimate, commodity markets behave like they should in eve...
the financial system in eve is corrupt though, 1st NPC bounties and the isks come from nowhere... there is production driven economy and 'spare isk influx' from the bounties kind of economy. 2nd insurance system is totally wrong
the nature of items in eve is odd, once item is destroyed it is gone, magically
the bounties isk influx is compensated by the continuos ship losses... the desire of people's buying a new ship and loosing it is only limited by their desire to kill NPCs for bounties
the natural isk sink is only the NPC goods, the money doesn't not go to other players so to say
over time the total amount of ISK in game should be increasing, it comes naturally from bounties and mission rewards and ends up in the hands of manufacturers, traders and brokers
when the volume of isks exceeds the volume of goods the inflation occurs...
isk comes from NPCs (bounties, trade goods) and goes to NPCs (trade goods, multibillion outpost construction platforms)
isk is preserved in the player trade
the real value of the item is defined by its utility, not the production costs, not the purchasing price, not the current market value
isk creation and mineral creation in eve go independently... the players decide what to do best... the economy as a result is open ended and asymmetrical, where prices are defined by the proportion between ISK supply and Mineral Supply
ISK destruction only occurs during NPC trade, Mineral Destruction only occurs during item destrution (either in-space or thrash away in-station)
ISK creation >= ISK destruction; Mineral creation >= Mineral Destruction
both controlled by players, leads to assumption that ISKs and Minerals in game tend to grow... but not essentially equally
Player Minerals are priced actively... in terms of isk per unit, isk value reacts passively
Real world economic model suggests that the ISKs lie idle in numerous wallets and not all of it is released, traded or destroyed, in theory ISKs are easier to preserve than the Minerals, if ISKs are suddenly released the inflation surges sharply
GTC trade is booming, people buy GTCs to get the ISKs that was once spare in someone's wallet... they get this isk and deliver it to the market immediately because they want to buy something, either it is a Mineral Based Item or NPC based item... which results in higher prices for minerals and higher prices for NPC non-mineral based items
ISKs can be released instantly, Minerals and Mineral based items take time to replenish the supply
the price of the item is defined by the willingness of the competitors to sell this amount at this price level... if there is too much supply the people will prefer to abandon the production rather than keep cutting the price down
i.e. no one wants to work for peanuts - if there is too much, the producers will switch to more profitable money/(effort+time) activities
if there are no Jovian ships for sale... the billions won't help to get one, if there is no supply of Raven State Issue then you can't buy it even for 8 billion isk
If Navy Ravens price goes too low, people will prefer not to produce Navy ravens as it will not be worth their time... Dumping and lowering the price is not endless in this game
If isk is easier to make than the minerals then there is inflation, if isk is hard to get then there is deflation... if something is not worth the time and money then it is not supplied
Mineral suppliers can set the price of their minerals, ISK holders can only react to these prices, they can not force the price of the isk up or down on their own
Excessive IKS leads to inflation and isk redistribution, Excessive Minerals supply leads to shrinking of the supply, not lowering the price
only new technologies can truly affect the easiness of supplying ISK/Minerals and thus the relative pricing, other than that are just market disproportions, temporary and often lasting not long
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.18 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone the natural isk sink is only the NPC goods, the money doesn't not go to other players so to say
Should use Per se'
I love saying Per se', no one really knows what it means but it sounds cool
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weedmasta
Minmatar PAK
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lea Re wtf has that got to do with c&p ? if i looked really hard, there might be a hint of connection, but c'mon, don't spoil my pvp_fun_stuff with some serious economics
Serious economics? There is nothing serious or useful about the op's so called idea. ___________________________________
Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers.
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Raelina Peacecraft
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:53:00 -
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this is grounds for a SEXY PARTY!
a fuken nber DETH PARTY!!!
nber nber nber
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Raelina Peacecraft this is grounds for a SEXY PARTY!
a fuken nber DETH PARTY!!!
nber nber nber
I will...
I WILL SURVIVE ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.05.18 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha If your trading alt/s isn't bringing the isk in, try somewhere apart from Jita. Jita is the place I go when I'm desperate, it's the 1st port of call for fools
Yeah, I hate making 250 mill a day.
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Siddy
Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:02:00 -
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Because people in CP honestly care abaut this...
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.18 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy Because people in CP honestly care abaut this...
do you liek gundm wing siddy ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Ortos
Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.18 10:40:00 -
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Remove asteroids for 10 days and see veldspar mining becoming more lucrative then ever before in history. kthxbye
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FOl2TY8
Gallente Houses Of The Holy Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:11:00 -
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This sounds like a veldspar stimulus check. Pwease siw can i have some mow?!?
Really though, I am very new and I don't see any problems with the prices. I shop around and if I don't like the price I give it to my corps and ask for a ship. The op doesn't sound like a problem, only an incentive to actively find a steady income.
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Siddy
Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.18 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Siddy Because people in CP honestly care abaut this...
do you liek gundm wing siddy
WTF is that for? like, random...
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:37:00 -
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