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Wren Alterana
Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:04:00 -
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as it stands the tier three battleships the supposedly most advanced T1 ships in the game, are weaker then all the other battleships. The Hyperion is almost useless in PvP and PvE, the Tempest I ut I'm not heard is rather bad but I don't fly it so I don't know, the Rokh is only good as a sniper ship and the Megathron, and most Amarr ships beat it at that.
suggestions: Hyperion gets a speed boost and mass reduction allowing it to be nanoed, as it stands the only nano-battleship is the typhoon so its not like there is an overabundance of nano-battleships.
Rokh gets a damage boost and an increase in CPU and powergrid allowing it to fit more powerful weapons.
Tempest, again, I don't really know enough to help. _________
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TimMc
Gallente Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.05.18 15:12:00 -
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Rokh is fine, locking range just needs to get bigger.
Hyperion needs something, but not nano. CCP do not want large ships to be nano'ed.
Tempest probably needs to be quicker, but I wouldn't really know.
They aren't that horrible tbh.
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Lord JoeBlack
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Posted - 2008.05.18 16:01:00 -
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Wren Alterana
Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic
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Posted - 2008.05.18 16:14:00 -
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like I said, I don't fly minmatar. _________
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joshmorris
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wren Alterana as it stands the tier three battleships the supposedly most advanced T1 ships in the game, are weaker then all the other battleships. The Hyperion is almost useless in PvP and PvE, the Tempest I ut I'm not heard is rather bad but I don't fly it so I don't know, the Rokh is only good as a sniper ship and the Megathron, and most Amarr ships beat it at that.
suggestions: Hyperion gets a speed boost and mass reduction allowing it to be nanoed, as it stands the only nano-battleship is the typhoon so its not like there is an overabundance of nano-battleships.
Rokh gets a damage boost and an increase in CPU and powergrid allowing it to fit more powerful weapons.
Tempest, again, I don't really know enough to help.
Do you pvp / fly battleships ?
Tier 3 bs are fine imo for there roles.
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Linda Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:10:00 -
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Although you got the names wrong, the concept remains true. The Tier 2 battleship (tempest) is indeed better in PvP than the Tier 3 one (maeltrom).
Some could say, the old Mael is fine for PvE, but i do believe it needs more love to be more cost-effective than the Pest.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:21:00 -
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The Rokh is superb, and definitely needs no changes. The Abaddon likewise is a complete death machine.
This leaves the two battleships that are kind of out of their role. The rokh and abaddon have resist bonuses, which helps them in fleets as well as in small gangs. The hype and mael only have boost/rep bonuses, which only helps in small gangs. This is ok for the mael, because 1) the phoon is better plated and the 2) pest cant tank anyway. This means the mael is unique in small gang, as it can tank while fitting 3 gyros, basically being a big tough ball of pain, while losing out on the pest/phoons versatility and tackling. Its not ok for the hyperion, because the mega and domi are frankly way more useful in a small gang, and it cant do gank and tank. Its kind of left as a decent 1v1 and pirating boat with its 5th mid and nice tank, mind. If anything it could do with a bit better CPU and some more drone bay. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces |
Jalif
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jalif on 18/05/2008 17:23:30
Originally by: Linda Mei Although you got the names wrong, the concept remains true. The Tier 2 battleship (tempest) is indeed better in PvP than the Tier 3 one (maeltrom).
Some could say, the old Mael is fine for PvE, but i do believe it needs more love to be more cost-effective than the Pest.
hmmm... depends totally on the scenario. Solo PvP yeah, tempest would do the job, but in gangs like 10 peepz? Nah, I would go for the Mealstrom.
I think Mealstrom is just fine, it is just the Tempest lacks a lot compared to the other races.
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Kil'Roy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.05.18 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kil''Roy on 18/05/2008 17:57:46 nm
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Pliauga
Gallente Militek Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.18 18:57:00 -
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The Hyperion was supposed to be a blaster platform, but as it stands it's no better than a mega in that role (as far as I can tell, disclaimer: i'm a relative noob to the hyper).
As far as my opinion goes, the hyper should be changed, not oomphed, just changed to something different from what it is right now.
The Rokh and Abaddon are just fine, don't know anything about the Maelstrom.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr Dark Tide Rising Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Pliauga The Hyperion was supposed to be a blaster platform, but as it stands it's no better than a mega in that role (as far as I can tell, disclaimer: i'm a relative noob to the hyper).
As far as my opinion goes, the hyper should be changed, not oomphed, just changed to something different from what it is right now.
The Rokh and Abaddon are just fine, don't know anything about the Maelstrom.
I've seen Hyperions kick out 1.5k DPS.. The ship is fine.
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Grapez
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:14:00 -
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I seem to remember that in the concept phase, the Hyperion had a MWD cap-penalty bonus á la the Thorax/Deimos. That would have made it so much better than it's current incarnation.
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LBytes
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Posted - 2008.05.19 05:38:00 -
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If the Gallente really did design the Hyperion as a Tier 3 BS, would they -
- Give it 20% less Max Targeting range? - Reduce the Drone Bay by 20%? - Add a Mid Slot, but take away a Low Slot? - Give it 8 turret hardpoints with a measly 1.6% Powergrid increase?
While the Hype does have more Cap & Armor than a Mega, for about 50% more cost it sure looks like the specs were written with a #2 Nerf Pencil!
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Pliauga
Gallente Militek Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Pliauga ...
I've seen Hyperions kick out 1.5k DPS.. The ship is fine.
Once again i'm no expert, but a quick run on EFT shows that if you want it to kick out 1.5k DPS you need to have it skilled out, little to no tank, with faction ammo, special implants, guns overheated and still 230 DPS will come from drones. That's a kamikaze setup. Or did I miss something?
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Originally by: Grapez I seem to remember that in the concept phase, the Hyperion had a MWD cap-penalty bonus ß la the Thorax/Deimos. That would have made it so much better than it's current incarnation.
Exactly!
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Originally by: LBytes If the Gallente really did design the Hyperion as a Tier 3 BS, would they -
- Give it 20% less Max Targeting range? - Reduce the Drone Bay by 20%? - Add a Mid Slot, but take away a Low Slot? - Give it 8 turret hardpoints with a measly 1.6% Powergrid increase?
While the Hype does have more Cap & Armor than a Mega, for about 50% more cost it sure looks like the specs were written with a #2 Nerf Pencil!
It's supposed to be a blasterboat, so targeting range is not a primarry isue. But I agree with the rest.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Pliauga
Originally by: Galan Amarias
Originally by: Pliauga ...
I've seen Hyperions kick out 1.5k DPS.. The ship is fine.
Once again i'm no expert, but a quick run on EFT shows that if you want it to kick out 1.5k DPS you need to have it skilled out, little to no tank, with faction ammo, special implants, guns overheated and still 230 DPS will come from drones. That's a kamikaze setup. Or did I miss something?
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Thunderbird Anthares
Crimson Star Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.19 06:16:00 -
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/sign on the hype MWD suggestion,its just too heavy for my taste right now,and its supposed to be a damn blaster freak as per description,not an asteroid
`bout rokh and abaddon,i find those more than adequate to their reputation,which means pretty mean ass concerning the Mael,i never flown it,all i can say about it is it looks good and i heard only the most experienced players can use it effectively,which isnt really that good
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Ecky X
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.19 12:10:00 -
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I just had a moment of insight. The Hyperion sucks because it is the only other Battleship that shares the Tempest's slot layout!
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Wren Alterana
Minmatar The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:59:00 -
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bump _________
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fuze
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:01:00 -
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Hyperion needs an increase of targeting range so you can make a sniper out of it with 2SB at magno strenght cost. Or have a lower inertia at scan resolution cost since its supposed to be a blaster boat that has to fly up close. |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Infinity Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:10:00 -
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Hyperion and Maelstrom shoudl ahve their tank bonuses cahnged from rep ammount to HP ammount. So they have usefull bonuses like the other BSs.
Self repair is a no no in battleship PVP nowadays. So those are wasted bonuses. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2008.05.20 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: LBytes If the Gallente really did design the Hyperion as a Tier 3 BS, would they -
- Give it 20% less Max Targeting range? - Reduce the Drone Bay by 20%? - Add a Mid Slot, but take away a Low Slot? - Give it 8 turret hardpoints with a measly 1.6% Powergrid increase?
While the Hype does have more Cap & Armor than a Mega, for about 50% more cost it sure looks like the specs were written with a #2 Nerf Pencil!
the hyp is a awesome pve ship, it can have a extreme tank while doing very high dps. so there. yes it is not as good at pvp, life with it.. I declare war on stupidity |
Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.20 20:00:00 -
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The hyp is a station camping god.
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Sha'ara Sha'amashira
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Posted - 2008.05.20 23:14:00 -
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Okay can we please leave the mael out of these arguments, it might not be able to tackle but it can hit very nicely for artillery spike DPS at 50 to 80 km with maximum skills and can a sustained DPS of 969 or for 3 minutes reach par with a carrier's sustained tank and hit 1542 DPS tanked on a teir 3 battleship, personally even if it doesn do the best DPS if can also volley out a combined output dmg of over 3600 with good skills. It is not broken, it is a very good tank for small gang and can also really work well in adding to a gank outfitted gang. Please can we leave the Maelstrom out of all this, personally i think it is just fine the way it is.
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Fwaps Continuously
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:21:00 -
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I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.
Please, please, please, please, please rework the bonusses on the Rokh (did I say please?). I've had one for 3 months and never use it because the raven is a far better ship - why would I want to spend 2 hours solo'ing a level 4 when I can do it in 1 hour in a raven? - the Rokh PvE thread is full of people saying exactly the same thing.
It really needs a damage bonus instead of the useless range bonus it has (and maybe a tracking bonus instead of the shield bonus). Basically I'd like to see the DPS of this ship raised dramatically to make it a more offensive, rather than defensive, ship.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:33:00 -
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Rokh is a PVP ship. Hyperion is a PVE ship.
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procurement specialist
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fwaps Continuously I agree wholeheartedly with the OP.
Please, please, please, please, please rework the bonusses on the Rokh (did I say please?). I've had one for 3 months and never use it because the raven is a far better ship - why would I want to spend 2 hours solo'ing a level 4 when I can do it in 1 hour in a raven? - the Rokh PvE thread is full of people saying exactly the same thing.
It really needs a damage bonus instead of the useless range bonus it has (and maybe a tracking bonus instead of the shield bonus). Basically I'd like to see the DPS of this ship raised dramatically to make it a more offensive, rather than defensive, ship.
fit blasters and overheat
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Fwaps Continuously
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: procurement specialist
fit blasters and overheat
ok but if it had the suggested bonuses, especially the damage one, would It be better or worse with overloaded blasters? Exactly how does a range bonus help with blasters - given that you want to keep your enemy within 10km? anyway. For that reason, I accept the PvP angle and I mentioned the obviously horrible word "mission" in my post but I've now trained gallente BS just so I can do some damage - in a PvP context. Happy for that training to be a wasted effort - just as long as the rokh gets fixed
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.05.23 23:48:00 -
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I myself fly the Maelstrom as a pvp ship and absolutely LOVE it. I have lots of corpies who fly the other three tier 3 ships almost exclusively and love them as much as I love mine.
Tempest could use some love, but its not a tier3.
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:09:00 -
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indeed. if theresone thing we can take out of this thread, its that the tempest needs a hug.
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Gavin Darklighter
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.05.24 01:48:00 -
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I still think the tempest should get 4 meds and 7 lows, while the phoon gets 5 meds and 6 lows. The tempest would gain tank or gank with the ability to fit another tank or damage mod, and the phoon would gain the ability to field a light HP buffer shield tank and a full rack of damage mods, making it the highest DPS battleship in the game. Right now the versatility of a fifth med slot isn't what it used to be, but the ability to fit neuts, neut/smartie, missiles, or logistics in the two utility high-slots of the tempest would still give it all the versatility it needs over the other teir-2 battlehips
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