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Zaknussem
Caldari The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:35:00 -
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I have been wondering why market orders in EvE are placed without any info given about the seller/buyer, the character behind the order. In the real world, purchases and sales are also influenced by identity, not just price, stock and location. Would you go into a store and ask for a can of soda, and not know from what soda company it is until after you've paid? Why are we forced to be clueless about this fact?
Of course, the obvious answer to this question is because it won't make a difference. It seems you can't call yourself a merchant/trader in this game without having a specialized trade alt doing all the work, conveniently located inside the busiest stations in the biggest trade hubs. Meanwhile your main character is out there, guns blazing, mowing down everything from salty pirates in Rifters to virtuous nuns flying Bestowers full of children.
I would like to know what people think of this. Should we be given the names of the traders, or is it a fruitless effort because of the alts? Discuss. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:41:00 -
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Fruitless effort.
1. Alts - Player A can have several alts located wherever he wants to front his goods or to buy what he needs. It wont matter if you know the name or not, further more arguing that you can find out the individuals alts is pointless too, see point 2.
2. Dummy corps - A small corp compossed entirely of alts can place buy/sell and contract orders in the name of their corp and all you get is a corp name.
3. Your use of the soda is vague and pointless. What you are infact getting is the name brand of the soda you want, but you dont know who bottles it.
Any attempt made to "better" the situation with the market is wasted effort on the part of the devs as all a player needs to do is use one of his 3 alts to place a buy/sell order to get what they want. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:42:00 -
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well the first reason i can come up with for the identity being hiden, is to restrict the flow of RMT transactions.
As to your soda example, I dont think that is valid, since there is no difference in the product that we sell, there is only one "flavor" and no choices for a "new generation"
Also I use no alt, I do all the trades through my personal and/or corp wallet.
The names are given after you make a purchase, via the transaction log, FYI.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.19 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 19/05/2008 18:59:04 Hm... I half agree with the soda thing, except we DO know what flavor of soda we're buying. We just don't know who owns/leases the vending machine we buy it from.
We know whether we're buying an Overdrive Injector I, or a Marked Modified SS Overdrive Injector or a Beta Hull Mod Overdrive Injector or a Local Hull Conversion Overdrive Injector or an Overdrive Injector II. We just don't know if the vending machine is owned by Bill or Jeff... we hate Jeff, but we're damned thirsty so we just gotta risk it, I guess.
EDIT: This thread is now about soda. I like G*****Faygo, (but I hate ICP).
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:21:00 -
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I find it strange that a seller can see who he sold to, but a buyer can't see who he bought from. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab I find it strange that a seller can see who he sold to, but a buyer can't see who he bought from.
If I recall you can see who you bought from. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 19/05/2008 19:35:33
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Beef Hardslab I find it strange that a seller can see who he sold to, but a buyer can't see who he bought from.
If I recall you can see who you bought from.
You can.
I like Sprite Zero.
EDIT: btw, it's in the Transactions record tab, not the journal tab.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:36:00 -
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You can? Damn I missed it then, thought it only told you what you bought, not who from. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Jaheira 17
Amarr Destry's Lounge XIII Legio
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:37:00 -
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You can see it but only after you've bought it. I think the author of the topic is talking about before you buy. One practical usage is finding the douche who decided to sell a Raven for 130 million in a 0.0 outpost or is spiking ore prices, etc...
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.19 19:39:00 -
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IMO if it's a 0.0 outpost, then the owner of the outpost should be able to look at who's got what sell/buy orders... after all, it is their market (sort of?) or something.
I find the lack of soda in this thread disturbing.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.05.19 20:31:00 -
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Don't forget that you always buy from the lowest-priced sell order at the station. So it wouldn't really matter if you could see the names, as you can't specify from whom you're buying.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Alora Venoda
GalTech Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.19 20:34:00 -
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if you can filter out orders from "red" entities using the market filter, i think that would go a long way towards fixing some of the market-order-identity issues. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless.
Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application. |
Neddy Fox
Gallente Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.19 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Neddy Fox on 19/05/2008 21:31:18 - Very important issue for me.... I'm used to see the seller (another MMO), and like to see it here too. I'd like to buy from blues, even if it costs me more. Just a little info (right click on sale order) and show seller would be AWESOME.
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Shakuul
Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.19 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem I have been wondering why market orders in EvE are placed without any info given about the seller/buyer, the character behind the order. In the real world, purchases and sales are also influenced by identity, not just price, stock and location. Would you go into a store and ask for a can of soda, and not know from what soda company it is until after you've paid? Why are we forced to be clueless about this fact?
In EVE, knowing who is selling the good, while it might be an interesting fact, really doesn't give you any useful information about the product itself. A Raven is a Raven is a Raven, regardless of who is selling it.
Since you love real world analogies so much, I'll humor you. On the NYSE when an average Joe buys stocks does he know who is selling the stock? I don't think so, but please correct me if I'm wrong.
In the real world, lots of things are true that aren't true in EVE. I don't see why thats a problem.
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Xaen
Caldari Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem Would you go into a store and ask for a can of soda, and not know from what soda company it is until after you've paid? Why are we forced to be clueless about this fact?
Actually this is inaccurate. You ask for a particular brand, and you get that particular brand. And in fact, you walk into a store and ask for a <brand> soda and you get it. But guess what? You have no idea what bottling company put that soda in there! Bottling companies are typically local establishments. Or did you think there was one big factory for each company?
Who is selling the item is irrelevant.
Though it is hilarious when you sell someone's modules back to them. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Munen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem
I would like to know what people think of this. Should we be given the names of the traders, or is it a fruitless effort because of the alts? Discuss.
A couple of weeks back a Goonswarm merchant was interested in opening up business ventures with traders outside of Goonswarm. Before he started this he went to MD and asked them directly if they would have issues accepting his IPO or should he use an alt.
The consensus was basically unanimous; they would prefer he would hide his identity with an alt, because the majority won't bother trading with a goon even if he was the Eve equivalent of Warren Buffet. Be mindful of your surroundings. |
Billy Sastard
Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.05.19 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen Though it is hilarious when you sell someone's modules back to them.
Yes that is awesome. Happened to me once when randomly ganking belt ratters in lowsec. Got some t2 heavy launchers off a caracal so immediately docked and relisted at a ripoff price (the only way to sell in lowsec imo) and within a few hours the launchers were bought buy the guy who we blew up.
I love this game -=^=-
My views do not represent my alliance. TBH, my posts do not even represent my own views...I am posting while asleep. |
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