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Hannah Chi Gate Huggers	Posted - 2008.05.21 12:59:00 - [1] It looks like Iron are retaking South Deklein, Pure mid and upper Deklein, and appears RA are taking EC and attempting to take P-2 aswell. Now theres several questions I have, firstly, Iron. Are Iron aware that Pure will lay claim to the majority of the high end moons in Deklein? Are they also aware of how much of a logistical haven EC is? Can Iron afford to allow RA in EC? and Pure on all the good moons? Next, RA, Why? And lastly, Pure, damn you guys got a sweet deal out of all this, but why?
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:00:00 - [2] there are no moons in deklein
Astarte Nosferatu Canes Pugnaces	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:13:00 - [3] I'm still stuck wondering why Pure is still alive in the first place.
Sir Ector Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:17:00 - [4] If you really wanted answers, you'd ask the leaders of whichever northern or formerly-northern alliance your main is in.
Lipix Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:20:00 - [5] Nice try on putting a wedge between pure and iron. Also, did you post this and really expect a serious answer from any involved party in CAOD?
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Lipix Nice try on putting a wedge between pure and iron. Also, did you post this and really expect a serious answer from any involved party in CAOD? he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC ----------
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC Aye. Believe it or not, some entities in Eve actually prefer to go 60+ jumps to get a fight. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:38:00 - [9] wow look at those bitter Insurgency/ATF smackposter
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:41:00 - [10] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wow look at those bitter Insurgency/ATF smackposter wow look at that idiot alt poster

MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer wow look at those bitter Insurgency/ATF smackposter wow look at that idiot alt poster still bitter about D2/G? why don't you run away like you always do, about it?
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:47:00 - [12] Nothing bitter about stating facts, coward. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:50:00 - [13] you mean the fact that you run like cowards
ElrondMD The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:52:00 - [14] I plan on mining, like a heap of Crokite whilst PURE and IRON go to war against eachother after accidentally flooding into the region at the same time, they're so silly! After that we might NAP whoever is in Venal and build some more Rorq's, while the RZR guys write eachothers names with POS guns all over the area.
Pesadel0 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.21 13:53:00 - [15] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Shut up coward. ------------------------------------------------------------------
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Shut up coward. wow bob poasting go hide under a cynojammer, boy.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:17:00 - [17] Wait, I thought Pure. were ******, what with TRI attacking their space?
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Fry Fortune Wait, I thought Pure. were ******, what with TRI attacking their space? ahaha that's just weak
MAXSuicide The Ludovico Technique	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:20:00 - [19] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 21/05/2008 14:22:11 Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu I'm still stuck wondering why Pure is still alive in the first place. u dont think that about all the northern alliances? they are crimes against nature..like mutants or something; such feeble beings shouldnt have survived this long. Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while.
Summer River Rotaries Are For W4nkers	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:22:00 - [20] Edited by: Summer River on 21/05/2008 14:22:38 I predict this attempt to stir hostility will have exactly the same effect as the claim Razor was demanding recompense from Pure for the lose of the titan

MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:24:00 - [21] Originally by: MAXSuicide people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while. you'r right, hows TRI btw? oh wait
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:24:00 - [22] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Our opponents can put up a blob bigger than our entire alliance and then some. Anyone that isn't a complete moron knows that sometimes it's best to retreat to a more defenseable position. Then again, you're posting under an already anonymous internet forum with an alt. It doesn't get much more idiotic than that. You sure seem awful butthurt about something ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Captain Irregardless Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC Aye. Believe it or not, some entities in Eve actually prefer to go 60+ jumps to get a fight. Good fights close to home indeed! I did not realize that ganking a MM carrier every few days equated a good fight. But I guess...when you are ATF, any fight you don't lose is a great fight. Of course, I'm trying to think of the last time you guys were on the winning side of a fight...Fallen souls maybe? Were you guys involved with that? I'm sorry that we came back north and spoiled your good times, really, I am. See...we'd been busy with a little war down south for a little while, you may remember it seeing as how it broke ATF's back the first time round and sent them to empire. So, you'll have to pardon me and indulge a question to clear my mind...as I'm just a little confused. If we were in Querious, and MM, Pure, and MH were in Fountain, who you were getting all these great fights with? Actually, nevermind, it's a moot point. It hardly matters anymore now that you are pulling out. Okay, so Zimi, like I said, I've been gone for a while - give me a quick ATF update. What have you been up to since you left Querious? I guess you got a station from TRI...that's good for you guys. Sorry we're gonna take it away from you. However, fear not! You guys will soon be able to seek good fights all over the map instead of just near your home. Then you'll understand that the distance from 'home' has no relevance on getting a scrap or of the quality (two words - factional warfare - if you're not a space holding alliance, I think you can participate).
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:28:00 - [24] Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 21/05/2008 14:28:45 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Our opponents can put up a blob bigger than our entire alliance and then some. Anyone that isn't a complete moron knows that sometimes it's best to retreat to a more defenseable position. Then again, you're posting under an already anonymous internet forum with an alt. It doesn't get much more idiotic than that. You sure seem awful butthurt about something I think you don't know anything about "Flamebait". try google it or keep posting, about how serious you should be in an InternetSpaceshipForum
Komolov REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:43:00 - [25] Edited by: Komolov on 21/05/2008 14:44:57 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer there are no moons in deklein You forgot to wave your hand before their faces in a special way. --------------------
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 14:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Captain Irregardless :words: Wow, such bitterness, we must be doing something right. You also win the record for sheer number of incorrect assumptions in one post ever. Here's a hint: ATF was never involved in the "great war" and ATF never lived in Querious. But please, carry on making yourself look the fool.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:11:00 - [27] Pure commands respect in what universe? I think the northern coalition put them there to ensure Deklein remains a hotbed for conflict, keeping the focus away from themselves. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:15:00 - [28] Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 21/05/2008 15:15:30 Originally by: Wendat Huron Pure commands respect in what universe? I think the northern coalition put them there to ensure Deklein remains a hotbed for conflict, keeping the focus away from themselves. their like Sparta/Destiny. They will be useless and pretty much die instantly after their Masters get crushed
Chip2k3 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:15:00 - [29] Originally by: ElrondMD After that we might NAP whoever is in Venal and build some more Rorq's. not gonna happen MEMBER OF TEAM TURBOÖ
Captain Irregardless Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Captain Irregardless :words: Wow, such bitterness, we must be doing something right. You also win the record for sheer number of incorrect assumptions in one post ever. Here's a hint: ATF was never involved in the "great war" and ATF never lived in Querious. But please, carry on making yourself look the fool. I see what you mean. I apologize to the other corps of ATF. It was just PRIK and FREEE that were broken in Querious and retreated to empire for six months. Thank you for helping me to be correct.

touchvill D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:30:00 - [31] Originally by: Captain Irregardless Edited by: Captain Irregardless on 21/05/2008 15:19:02 Edited by: Captain Irregardless on 21/05/2008 14:27:21 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC Aye. Believe it or not, some entities in Eve actually prefer to go 60+ jumps to get a fight. Good fights close to home indeed! I did not realize that ganking a MM carrier every few days equated a good fight. But I guess...when you are FREEE & PRIK, any fight you don't lose is a great fight. Of course, I'm trying to think of the last time you guys were on the winning side of a fight...Fallen souls maybe? Were you guys involved with that? I'm sorry that we came back north and spoiled your good times, really, I am. See...we'd been busy with a small* war down south for a little while, you may remember it seeing as how it broke FREEE & PRIK's back the first time round and sent them to empire. So, you'll have to pardon me and indulge a question to clear my mind...as I'm just a little confused. If we were in Querious, and MM, Pure, and MH were in Fountain, who you were getting all these great fights with? Actually, nevermind, it's a moot point. It hardly matters anymore now that you are pulling out. Okay, so Zimi, like I said, I've been gone for a while - give me a quick ATF update. What have you been up to since you left Querious? I guess you got a station from TRI...that's good for you guys. Sorry we're gonna take it away from you. However, fear not! You guys will soon be able to seek good fights all over the map instead of just near your home. Then you'll understand that the distance from 'home' has no relevance on getting a scrap or of the quality (two words - factional warfare - if you're not a space holding alliance, I think you can participate). *edited to reflect the PRIK below. Indeed, it was not all of ATF which broke in Querious, it was just FREEE and PRIK. Further, not all of ATF has lost every campaign in which they've undertaken...again it was just FREEE and PRIK. You are a moron. End session. ---------- FUNSICLES
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:33:00 - [32] Interesting revisionist history you have there. IRON (which PRIK was in at the time), lost everything in Querious because, golly gosh, we actually went all out. By the time the MC was knocking on Deklein's door, we realised D2 was talking ** with their "we have it under control" line, but by then it was too late. IRON relocated what it had back north, but D2 cancelled or failed to turn up to nearly every pre-planned defense op. Strangely, I don't remember seeing much presense from this united north when MC rolled into JU- and VFK, but there we go. Anyhow, it wasn't until after** members of PRIK had helped secure IRON's new home in the drone regions did we leave. We actually helped the coalition for a while in Querious whilst we figured out what to do, so to sit there and talk gloatingly about how you left your allies to rot after they'd thrown everything they had into your war seems rather odd to me.
teh punisher Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:51:00 - [33] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Shut up coward. wow bob poasting go hide under a cynojammer, boy. bitter much?
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:55:00 - [34] Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 21/05/2008 15:56:08 Originally by: Captain Irregardless Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Captain Irregardless :words: Wow, such bitterness, we must be doing something right. You also win the record for sheer number of incorrect assumptions in one post ever. Here's a hint: ATF was never involved in the "great war" and ATF never lived in Querious. But please, carry on making yourself look the fool. I see what you mean. I apologize to the other corps of ATF. It was just PRIK and FREEE that were broken in Querious and retreated to empire for six months. Thank you for helping me to be correct. Such incredible cluelessness. We were never broken in Querious. When MC invaded the North, we withdrew with our close ally IRON to try to defend Deklein. When it was clear to us that there was actually no plan to defend Dek by IRON, we parted ways. If you're going to flame FREEE for what happened then, you also must flame IRON. We went where they went and we did what they did. Should I start flaming you for being broken in Delve by BoB? ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 15:57:00 - [35] Originally by: teh punisher bitter much? aren't you busy Carebearing in Delve?
Veldya Shadow Industries Corpororation Limited	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Hannah Chi It looks like Iron are retaking South Deklein, Pure mid and upper Deklein, and appears RA are taking EC and attempting to take P-2 aswell. Now theres several questions I have, firstly, Iron. Are Iron aware that Pure will lay claim to the majority of the high end moons in Deklein? Are they also aware of how much of a logistical haven EC is? Can Iron afford to allow RA in EC? and Pure on all the good moons? Next, RA, Why? And lastly, Pure, damn you guys got a sweet deal out of all this, but why? This is just a stab in the dark but my guess is that the area the NC planned on taking had been agreed to by the leaders of the NC well before any POS was anchored.
Captain Irregardless Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 21/05/2008 15:56:08 Originally by: Captain Irregardless Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Captain Irregardless :words: Wow, such bitterness, we must be doing something right. You also win the record for sheer number of incorrect assumptions in one post ever. Here's a hint: ATF was never involved in the "great war" and ATF never lived in Querious. But please, carry on making yourself look the fool. I see what you mean. I apologize to the other corps of ATF. It was just PRIK and FREEE that were broken in Querious and retreated to empire for six months. Thank you for helping me to be correct. Such incredible cluelessness. We were never broken in Querious. When MC invaded the North, we withdrew with our close ally IRON to try to defend Deklein. When it was clear to us that there was actually no plan to defend Dek by IRON, we parted ways. If you're going to flame FREEE for what happened then, you also must flame IRON. We went where they went and we did what they did. Should I start flaming you for being broken in Delve by BoB? Of course you can! It doesn't make it any more correct than the other bull** that's been spouted on this thread. My post was undoubtedly full of **, it was intended. It had the same level of truth as your initial comment about us. The Branch campaign is what it was. You guys did what you could, we did what we had to.
Alex Salas BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:25:00 - [38] Currently The Covenant Alliance and my alliance are engaged against Pure in the northern part of Deklein. Our goal is to stay in our small pocket of space, but Pure has put a wrinkle in our plans. If we can't take this space then we are determined to make it as costly for Pure to stay in it. Speaking in terms of former Tri space, not Destiny, Pure has managed to retake two stations. I was not present for the last OP, but from what my corpmate's have told me we almost retook one of them.
Deira Lenia The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:30:00 - [39] But but but, I thought I was going to get complete ownership of Destiny's part of deklein. Why the NNC is deviding their new space like this? No clue to be honest. What i do know is that It's been fairly quiet around Pure in the last few weeks, i wonder what they got cookin. -- Real men corpse tank Fallout Project Forums The Chaotic Order Forums
MAXSuicide The Ludovico Technique	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:31:00 - [40] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 21/05/2008 16:34:20 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: MAXSuicide people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while. you'r right, hows TRI btw? oh wait you're funny because u think/believe im some kind of diehard tri fan, that somehow ur remarks will emotionally hurt me... anyone that knows me would lol at that

MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.21 16:39:00 - [41] Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 21/05/2008 16:34:20 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: MAXSuicide people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while. you'r right, hows TRI btw? oh wait you're funny because u think/believe im some kind of diehard tri fan, that somehow ur remarks will emotionally hurt me... anyone that knows me would lol at that I don't really care who you are nor do I think anyone does, but here is some attention for you. Horribly thread so far. It definitely needs some Alice Cooper
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:00:00 - [42] Originally by: Captain Irregardless I'm sorry that we came back north and spoiled your good times, really, I am. See...we'd been busy with a small* war down south for a little while, you may remember it seeing as how it broke FREEE & PRIK's back the first time round and sent them to empire. So, you'll have to pardon me and indulge a question to clear my mind...as I'm just a little confused. If we were in Querious, and MM, Pure, and MH were in Fountain, who you were getting all these great fights with? Actually, nevermind, it's a moot point. It hardly matters anymore now that you are pulling out. Okay, so Zimi, like I said, I've been gone for a while - give me a quick ATF update. What have you been up to since you left Querious? I guess you got a station from TRI...that's good for you guys. Sorry we're gonna take it away from you. However, fear not! You guys will soon be able to seek good fights all over the map instead of just near your home. Then you'll understand that the distance from 'home' has no relevance on getting a scrap or of the quality (two words - factional warfare - if you're not a space holding alliance, I think you can participate). *edited to reflect the PRIK below. Indeed, it was not all of ATF which broke in Querious, it was just FREEE and PRIK. Further, not all of ATF has lost every campaign in which they've undertaken...again it was just FREEE and PRIK. The best part about this clueless post is that it's more harmful to your own alliance and your ally IRON than us. Whereas FREEE was but a small part of the Querious puzzle, the combined effort of RZR, MM, Pure., and IRON failed to evict FIX from their space before MC headed North. By the time FREEE pulled out of the South, Fade (where we lived) had already fallen, and Dek was under fire from MC & friends. So yes, while the fight down South did take alot out of FREEE and PRIK (IRON at the time), RZR got pushed out of their space, and IRON lost theirs completely. The difference is that we were smart enough to see it was doomed to fail again and didn't go back for more of the same like you did. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Iva Soreass Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:35:00 - [43] The north will become the napfestation it was before, so nothing new here to see move along.
RubberDuckey Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Karina Harington Interesting revisionist history you have there. IRON (which PRIK was in at the time), lost everything in Querious because, golly gosh, we actually went all out. By the time the MC was knocking on Deklein's door, we realised D2 was talking ** with their "we have it under control" line, but by then it was too late. IRON relocated what it had back north, but D2 cancelled or failed to turn up to nearly every pre-planned defense op. Strangely, I don't remember seeing much presense from this united north when MC rolled into JU- and VFK, but there we go. Anyhow, it wasn't until after** members of PRIK had helped secure IRON's new home in the drone regions did we leave. We actually helped the coalition for a while in Querious whilst we figured out what to do, so to sit there and talk gloatingly about how you left your allies to rot after they'd thrown everything they had into your war seems rather odd to me. The only thing I remember is D2 folding quickly, IRON not being anywhere close to the north and only FLA putting up any resistance at all to the MC push on the Northern D2 powerblock.
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 18:45:00 - [45] Originally by: RubberDuckey The only thing I remember is D2 folding quickly, IRON not being anywhere close to the north and only FLA putting up any resistance at all to the MC push on the Northern D2 powerblock. Yeah, D2 kept insisting they had things under control and wouldn't accept the offers of help from IRON. By the time IRON went back north, there was little they could do alone.
TheAdj Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 19:47:00 - [46] Originally by: NATMav So yes, while the fight down South did take alot out of FREEE and PRIK (IRON at the time), RZR got pushed out of their space, and IRON lost theirs completely. The difference is that we were smart enough to see it was doomed to fail again and didn't go back for more of the same like you did. We did go back, we removed FIX and pushed deep into Delve, while you stayed in the north and picked off people who didn't rejoin the southern push. The irony of this is you're still losing your space again, even if you "were smart enough to see it was doomed to fail again." You lost Branch to us already and Fade is being hit by former MC, I hope that little bit isn't lost on everyone. ----------------
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.05.21 19:54:00 - [47] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards An alt calls a main coward. I can die happy now. "There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f*****g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON
Valkazm Eve Defence Force Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:19:00 - [48] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards An alt calls a main coward. I can die happy now. yeah i hate that alt he has taken a dump in every single thread in CAOD i bet he is somewere minning and dishing out crap about every alliance ... oh master instead of trolling so much why dont you just tell us straight away who are the best and who are ** ... instead of spewing your garbage in every single *** thread .. like your the freacking judge of the universe .. ....................................... Quote:** CCP Navigator mail at [email protected] for isk
Newsflash NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:22:00 - [49] pure just takes what it have earned.
touchvill D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Newsflash pure just takes what it have earned. Yeah we owe a lot to them for helping us kill the razor titan. ---------- FUNSICLES

vladdy2 VNTR Labs	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:37:00 - [51] Edited by: vladdy2 on 21/05/2008 20:38:44 LOL at this thread, well at most threads in here, but atm this one is full of CAOD Win!! keep going boys. opens another beer --------------------------------- Im on VACATION!!!
Forbin Sardinis Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 20:43:00 - [52] Edited by: Forbin Sardinis on 21/05/2008 20:43:44 Originally by: ElrondMD After that we might NAP whoever is in Venal and build some more Rorq's, while the RZR guys write eachothers names with POS guns all over the area. You can NAP Guristas?? This must be part of the new expansion.
gu o Dark Prophecy Inc. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:03:00 - [53] Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Newsflash pure just takes what it have earned. Yeah we owe a lot to them for helping us kill the razor titan. ROFL
RabbidFerret Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:16:00 - [54] Funny thread. People don't give Drantis (head of Pure.) enough credit for the miracles that he pulls off and we call diplomacy. Pure might not be the strongest alliance in the game by a long shot, but they play their cards right. Sometimes pew pew isnt the answer
n00b alt3 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:28:00 - [55] so are iron/pure leaving thier respective regions?
Stewnod Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:29:00 - [56] Originally by: vladdy2 Edited by: vladdy2 on 21/05/2008 20:38:44 LOL at this thread, well at most threads in here, but atm this one is full of CAOD Win!! keep going boys. opens another beer Care to share one of those?
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:33:00 - [57] did somebody say beer? ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:51:00 - [58] So I guess all the northern kings are back in place
Cptn Obvious POASTERS UNITED	Posted - 2008.05.21 21:54:00 - [59] Edited by: Cptn Obvious on 21/05/2008 21:54:48 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC Aye. Believe it or not, some entities in Eve actually prefer to go 60+ jumps to get a fight. Wowwwwww! want a medal? or a real life instead?
MAXSuicide The Ludovico Technique	Posted - 2008.05.21 22:27:00 - [60] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: MAXSuicide Edited by: MAXSuicide on 21/05/2008 16:34:20 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: MAXSuicide people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while. you'r right, hows TRI btw? oh wait you're funny because u think/believe im some kind of diehard tri fan, that somehow ur remarks will emotionally hurt me... anyone that knows me would lol at that I don't really care who you are nor do I think anyone does, but here is some attention for you. I'm so honoured.

Curx Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 23:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Hannah Chi It looks like Iron are retaking South Deklein, Pure mid and upper Deklein, and appears RA are taking EC and attempting to take P-2 aswell. Now theres several questions I have, firstly, Iron. Are Iron aware that Pure will lay claim to the majority of the high end moons in Deklein? Are they also aware of how much of a logistical haven EC is? Can Iron afford to allow RA in EC? and Pure on all the good moons? Next, RA, Why? And lastly, Pure, damn you guys got a sweet deal out of all this, but why? FYI: Every single assumption you have made and based your questions on is wrong. You fail horribly at trolling tbh Thats more facts then you'll get from anyone In this thread think - Curx
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 23:28:00 - [62] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 21/05/2008 14:28:45 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: MineralOel Steuer you mean the fact that you run like cowards Our opponents can put up a blob bigger than our entire alliance and then some. Anyone that isn't a complete moron knows that sometimes it's best to retreat to a more defenseable position. Then again, you're posting under an already anonymous internet forum with an alt. It doesn't get much more idiotic than that. You sure seem awful butthurt about something I think you don't know anything about "Homosexual Midget ****". try google it and watch me get spitroasted,or keep posting, about how serious you should be in an InternetSpaceshipForum Fixed.
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.21 23:34:00 - [63] Since we have now firmly established that neither does NC 'get' INSRG and allies nor INSRG does 'get' NC, how about some group therapy to firmly establish some more mutual understanding and love.
Agmar Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.21 23:43:00 - [64] Originally by: Shirei Since we have now firmly established that neither does NC 'get' INSRG and allies nor INSRG does 'get' NC, how about some group therapy to firmly establish some more mutual understanding and love. Adj and I have a standing love session every saturday night. Recruiting.
TheAdj Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 00:41:00 - [65] Originally by: Agmar Originally by: Shirei Since we have now firmly established that neither does NC 'get' INSRG and allies nor INSRG does 'get' NC, how about some group therapy to firmly establish some more mutual understanding and love. Adj and I have a standing love session every saturday night. You didn't call afterwards this week, I'm very upset with you.
KOTH Fluf Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.22 00:54:00 - [66] Get a room you two. God that was just a picture I didnt need to see! Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.22 01:31:00 - [67] (I stole this but it fits here) ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Newsflash NorthUnited	Posted - 2008.05.22 01:49:00 - [68] Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Newsflash pure just takes what it have earned. Yeah we owe a lot to them for helping us kill the razor titan. look its a member of TRI. oh wait a sec.. who?? lol
tropic89	Posted - 2008.05.22 02:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 21/05/2008 15:56:08 Originally by: Captain Irregardless Originally by: Karina Harington Originally by: Captain Irregardless :words: Wow, such bitterness, we must be doing something right. You also win the record for sheer number of incorrect assumptions in one post ever. Here's a hint: ATF was never involved in the "great war" and ATF never lived in Querious. But please, carry on making yourself look the fool. I see what you mean. I apologize to the other corps of ATF. It was just PRIK and FREEE that were broken in Querious and retreated to empire for six months. Thank you for helping me to be correct. WELL THEN, Maybe you will understand that Sparta went to North Dek to help defend D2 space after fighting in fountain and delve for 3 months, and WHADAYAKNOW, The same **** happened to us. D2, packed thier little asses and ran like children while Sparta tried defending 3 regions. Such incredible cluelessness. We were never broken in Querious. When MC invaded the North, we withdrew with our close ally IRON to try to defend Deklein. When it was clear to us that there was actually no plan to defend Dek by IRON, we parted ways. If you're going to flame FREEE for what happened then, you also must flame IRON. We went where they went and we did what they did. Should I start flaming you for being broken in Delve by BoB?
WETRAIN R.U.S.T. Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.05.22 06:32:00 - [70] The North is a very interesting place when you are on your own, no one to help you when needed, no help and your not blue to the coaliton. you will get blobed, or not, you will get titan action or not, either way, the only thing to break the coalition is another coalition.

Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 06:54:00 - [71] Edited by: Veldya on 22/05/2008 06:55:35 Originally by: WETRAIN The North is a very interesting place when you are on your own, no one to help you when needed, no help and your not blue to the coaliton. you will get blobed, or not, you will get titan action or not, either way, the only thing to break the coalition is another coalition. Hmmm, I haven't heard of any whining by the mercs that engaged Hydra of being blobbed by the NC.
Arendis The Phoenix Confederacy Raging Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 07:32:00 - [72] Originally by: Veldya Edited by: Veldya on 22/05/2008 06:55:35 Originally by: WETRAIN The North is a very interesting place when you are on your own, no one to help you when needed, no help and your not blue to the coaliton. you will get blobed, or not, you will get titan action or not, either way, the only thing to break the coalition is another coalition. Hmmm, I haven't heard of any whining by the mercs that engaged Hydra of being blobbed by the NC. Thats maybe bequase those merc's are not dangerous?
Shaitis Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 07:39:00 - [73] Originally by: Veldya Hmmm, I haven't heard of any whining by the mercs that engaged Hydra of being blobbed by the NC. Someone made contract on hydra ? Outrageous, its like complex farming "What is funnier ? 20 Matari slaves pinned to one tree or 1 Matari slave pinned to 20 trees ?
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.05.22 07:49:00 - [74] I don't know much about the North, but I hear that they have all napped each other. Why? If they are not going to shoot each other do they intend to eventually shoot BoB or Goons or someone else? Or is all the "NAP"s so that they can rat and mine in peace.
Cptn Obvious POASTERS UNITED	Posted - 2008.05.22 08:10:00 - [75] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Cptn Obvious Edited by: Cptn Obvious on 21/05/2008 21:54:48 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Murtala he is trying, like any good alt to stir a bit of trouble so that the good fights can start. That's why we play eve, fights. I don't think you 'get' the NC Aye. Believe it or not, some entities in Eve actually prefer to go 60+ jumps to get a fight. Wowwwwww! want a medal? or a real life instead? says the guy that takes this game so seriously he has to hide his e-identity behind an alt having an alt is SERIOUS BUSINESS! look how stupid u are... now go jump your 60 jumps to get a fight, will make you a true macho.
Wraith foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2008.05.22 08:43:00 - [76] Originally by: Murtala I don't know much about the North, but I hear that they have all napped each other. I knew this poast would contain valuable insights right from the start..
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:09:00 - [77] Edited by: Fred0 on 22/05/2008 09:09:32 Originally by: Murtala I don't know much about the North, but I hear that they have all napped each other. That's what happens when you take 4-5 entities (3 years ago) without space that help eachother to get space and keep winning We're not the best organised entity in EVE but so far we beat most in organisation and dedication. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
MrRx7 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:11:00 - [78] Originally by: Summer River Edited by: Summer River on 21/05/2008 14:22:38 I predict this attempt to stir hostility will have exactly the same effect as the claim Razor was demanding recompense from Pure for the lose of the titan Actually sister bliss still owes me several "favors" as payment.
Murtala Mushin Market	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:12:00 - [79] Edited by: Murtala on 22/05/2008 09:12:39 Originally by: Wraith foc Originally by: Murtala I don't know much about the North, but I hear that they have all napped each other. I knew this poast would contain valuable insights right from the start.. Really I donÆt know much about the North these days. I used to be a Southerner. I do know tri, imploded and a lot of the big alliances are working together. I know that many northern alliances have membership numbers in the top 10 in eve. EvE Strategic maps so curious, sincerely, whether this is to form a power bloc to challenge an established powerbloc or simply to carebear in peace. It is a fine line between trolling and sincere question and it is in the presentation and facts.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 09:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Arendis Thats maybe bequase those merc's are not dangerous? Judging by CAOD posts (probably not something good to base an observation but oh well) they deployed a titan and a significant number of capitals and had engaged some POS', I would consider that to be dangerous.

Arendis The Phoenix Confederacy Raging Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 10:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Arendis Thats maybe bequase those merc's are not dangerous? Judging by CAOD posts (probably not something good to base an observation but oh well) they deployed a titan and a significant number of capitals and had engaged some POS', I would consider that to be dangerous. Posses are being challenged every day,... a few caps and a "titan??" are not that special, once they fully engage with number above 200 then maybe they would react :D
MAXSuicide The Ludovico Technique	Posted - 2008.05.22 11:33:00 - [82] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 22/05/2008 11:35:01 Originally by: Newsflash Originally by: touchvill Originally by: Newsflash pure just takes what it have earned. Yeah we owe a lot to them for helping us kill the razor titan. look its a member of TRI. oh wait a sec.. who?? lol that one's already been done Originally by: WETRAIN The North is a very interesting place when you are on your own, no one to help you when needed, no help and your not blue to the coaliton. you will get blobed, or not, you will get titan action or not, either way, the only thing to break the coalition is another coalition. its been like that since 2004 wetrain.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.22 13:24:00 - [83] Originally by: Arendis Posses are being challenged every day,... a few caps and a "titan??" are not that special, once they fully engage with number above 200 then maybe they would react :D How many NC POS' are being challenged? It just seems to be inconsistent with the frequent claims that NC naptrain everyone. I think the opportunity to fight the mercs and the opportunity to learn is a positive one for Hydra, to quote a line from Sin City, "I love hitmen, no matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad."
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.22 14:13:00 - [84] Edited by: Cautet on 22/05/2008 14:15:50 Originally by: Veldya How many NC POS' are being challenged? It just seems to be inconsistent with the frequent claims that NC naptrain everyone. I think the opportunity to fight the mercs and the opportunity to learn is a positive one for Hydra, to quote a line from Sin City, "I love hitmen, no matter what you do to them, you don't feel bad." I am sure you are just an interested newer pilot looking for some info on the wars that are happening. However, Coad is not really the place for information. Coad is for flamebait, trolling, smacking, one liners (sharp, flat, or plain terrible), e-peen, bitterness, and attention whoring. I am sure many people would be interested in the facts including how many pos's and whether sov is in danger in any of those systems, but that info probably will not appear on Coad. To answer one of your questions, the NC consists of between 9,000 to 11,000 pilots making up the following alliances: Rawr, Razor, Pure, Mostly Harmless, STPL, IRON, ME, CO2, Hydra (added through edit) and maybe some more. They haven't Naped everyone in eve (yet) but they have naped more than a few. This isn't a flame - it's part of the game, the way they like to play it.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:31:00 - [85] Originally by: Cptn Obvious having an alt is SERIOUS BUSINESS! look how stupid u are... now go jump your 60 jumps to get a fight, will make you a true macho. For someone named Cptn Obvious you sure are clueless. I wasn't talking about me going 60 jumps. In fact, I don't have to go any jumps to get a fight. Look how stupid YOU are! ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
xBlood Anoint	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:55:00 - [86] What next is indeed a good question. Insurgency and what is left of Phalanx alliance, I can see them having great fun basing out of NPC space, which is extremely hard to dislodge them from. Iron, Pure and other alliances occupying Deklein, they're going to become exceptionally rich from the beyond amazing moon mining opportunities in the region. Recently Iron have impressed me with their roaming gangs (30+ hacs etc), and so I can see them becomming fairly like Triumvirate were...just with a large blue list instead. Malice, project alice and the others taking over Fade...They have potential to say the least. They could exist as a Tri-like entity, few blues an ok region and plenty of targets. Razor, Morsus Mihi and the others, future is uncertain. They've proved they can take space and keep space, but with Insurgency still in the North, they cannot move out to a different area of eve without leaving others in charge. So? I forsee the prominent alliances becoming stronger and richer, while other alliances also begin to get their feet in. Anoint Recruitment
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Cptn Obvious having an alt is SERIOUS BUSINESS! look how stupid u are... now go jump your 60 jumps to get a fight, will make you a true macho. For someone named Cptn Obvious you sure are clueless. I wasn't talking about me going 60 jumps. In fact, I don't have to go any jumps to get a fight. So you have 0 jumps to fight us. Question is then how many jumps do we have to fight you? Logic should answer this question no?
Faekurias Cash Money Brothers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:49:00 - [88] Originally by: Fred0 Quotes He didn't say you specifically, I bet he has close to someone else. (Just had to point that obvious out :D) Sig locked, abuse of use - for more information mail [email protected]
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:01:00 - [89] Edited by: Zimi Vlasic on 22/05/2008 19:03:55 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Zimi Vlasic Originally by: Cptn Obvious having an alt is SERIOUS BUSINESS! look how stupid u are... now go jump your 60 jumps to get a fight, will make you a true macho. For someone named Cptn Obvious you sure are clueless. I wasn't talking about me going 60 jumps. In fact, I don't have to go any jumps to get a fight. So you have 0 jumps to fight us. Question is then how many jumps do we have to fight you? Logic should answer this question no? Odd, I don't see you anywhere near us right now.....did you join RA or something? You're just not part of our plans anymore. I'm sorry :( Besides, my point is that you guys don't WANT us anywhere near you. We'd love to stay in the area but the NNC has different plans for us. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
TheAdj Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:11:00 - [90] Originally by: MrRx7 Originally by: Summer River Edited by: Summer River on 21/05/2008 14:22:38 I predict this attempt to stir hostility will have exactly the same effect as the claim Razor was demanding recompense from Pure for the lose of the titan Actually sister bliss still owes me several "favors" as payment. Get in line *******, stop trying to cut to the front! ----------------

Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Cautet I am sure you are just an interested newer pilot looking for some info on the wars that are happening. However, Coad is not really the place for information. Coad is for flamebait, trolling, smacking, one liners (sharp, flat, or plain terrible), e-peen, bitterness, and attention whoring. Yeah, I like the politics. I have always been a huge fan of strategy games and I find the political level of the game to be very similar to a strategy game. It is a shame there isn't more discussion about it because it is one of the great elements of EVE. Quote: I am sure many people would be interested in the facts including how many pos's and whether sov is in danger in any of those systems, but that info probably will not appear on Coad. Yeah, not all that fussed about very specific information. I think a lot of people keep general information secret because they don't want to give potential enemies any information that may compromise them but am surprised that there isn't more information flowing who would probably gain by revealing what they are doing. You don't really read much (of interest) until someone has croaked it. Quote: To answer one of your questions, the NC consists of between 9,000 to 11,000 pilots making up the following alliances: Rawr, Razor, Pure, Mostly Harmless, STPL, IRON, ME, CO2, Hydra (added through edit) and maybe some more. They haven't Naped everyone in eve (yet) but they have naped more than a few. This isn't a flame - it's part of the game, the way they like to play it. Just out of curiousity, because most of the Insugency vs NC war I have had to go by was the various kill boards and it seemed to be mostly Razor, MM & Pure for the bulk of the fight. Obviously INSRG, Razor & MM would have had a fairly high participation rate due to the proximity of their systems to the front. I am just curious how much support they would have had from the other friends and allies. They either didn't die all that much or there didn't seem like there was a significant contingent from alliances that were further away from the action. Something that I will do is try and flesh out the size of the various coalitions, according to CCP's election results there seems to be around 200k subscribers so about 11k would represent about 5-6% of the playerbase. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the various power blocks.
Chip2k3 Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:48:00 - [92] I couldnt say X ALLIANCE WAS ALWAYS THERE IN GREATER NUMBERS because they weren't. it's not like we went through the 300man blob checking for ratios either MEMBER OF TEAM TURBOÖ
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Chip2k3 I couldnt say X ALLIANCE WAS ALWAYS THERE IN GREATER NUMBERS because they weren't. it's not like we went through the 300man blob checking for ratios either Probably something only NC could comment on although 300 is a small proportion of overall numbers. Current size: MM 1794, Razor 1393, Pure 2003, Hydra 1373, IRON 1589 and MH 1291 is a total of 9,443. It is hard for me to guess Insurgency's size at the time, you seem to have a lot of corps come in and out of your alliance although present size is 1994 and have no idea what extent of friendly assistance Insurgency had. It is interesting trying to formulate the value of a defensive position when you factor POS, defensive capitals in cyno jammed systems, jump bridge networks it is a fairly daunting prospect to try and dislodge someone that has dug in, is it even remotely possible without a significant numerical advantage?
Lilan Kahn The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:08:00 - [94] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Chip2k3 I couldnt say X ALLIANCE WAS ALWAYS THERE IN GREATER NUMBERS because they weren't. it's not like we went through the 300man blob checking for ratios either Probably something only NC could comment on although 300 is a small proportion of overall numbers. Current size: MM 1794, Razor 1393, Pure 2003, Hydra 1373, IRON 1589 and MH 1291 is a total of 9,443. It is hard for me to guess Insurgency's size at the time, you seem to have a lot of corps come in and out of your alliance although present size is 1994 and have no idea what extent of friendly assistance Insurgency had. It is interesting trying to formulate the value of a defensive position when you factor POS, defensive capitals in cyno jammed systems, jump bridge networks it is a fairly daunting prospect to try and dislodge someone that has dug in, is it even remotely possible without a significant numerical advantage? not if the other size got numbers to make a node crash, then you can have as many titans and super caps as you whant "Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time"
KOTH Fluf Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:36:00 - [95] I think the NC rarely had to form 2 fleets, maybe only 2 or 3 times in the whole conflict. Support numbers were always under 250 most of the time and alot less during US TZ. Cap fleets averaged between 50 and 100 most times. Once Tri entered the war, Mostly Harmless and IRON both entered as MH was waiting for Sov 3 to take hold in the space they took from Rule of Three and moved their caps up along with IRON. This gave us roughly even numbers during the strong Insurgency US TZ, which enabled us to finally start making headway. The reduction of 75 hostile carriers over the war reduced Insurgency's ability to defend and rep their towers. Basically we cut their cap fleet probably by a 3rd, while spreading our cap losses out over several alliances. Talking numbers all the time is just stupid. Fleet sizes for most battles were mostly the same if you check the fleet fights for most battles. The key for the coalition was we were able to have pilots come in and out of the conflict, to make isk, replace ships, and do logistics much easier with the numbers we had. Insugency didnt have the luxury. The NC is very used to these kind of conflicts, having been doing them for over 2 years now. We new this would be and extended conflict,and time was on our side. Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:49:00 - [96] I think Koth is right about the key point being the US TZ during the conflict. I'm not going to speak from insrg point of view, just my own, and of course I don't know all the facts, but this is my take on some of the strategies and tactics employed. At the start of the war, Insrg had sov 3 in a few key systems, but lacked in other systems. The use of nc titans to bypass z-k which was a significant tactical advantage to nc at the start, which effectively undermined much of the insrg advantage of sov 3 in the choke system, z-k. nc had a significant numerical advantage and cap advantage from the start, which had most effect during the EU timezone. Insrg held the field for certain part of the US tz and was able to rep poses, and stations during that period. Stront timing was also key, as those posses coming out of reinforced in US tz could be saved much more easily. During EU timezone, despite the significant numerical advantage that nc had insrg often was able to make headway, especially when defending posses, and was very close knit and organised. Kiting of posses is a tactic that was used with varying success at different stages of the conflict, by both sides, where pos shields were taken below a certain level to prevent stront timing of reinforced mode, then left for a few hours, then hit again to force a pos to come out in the timezone most usefull to that side. After the first two weeks, insrg were holding on, and inflicting heavy lossess, and had cut those systems lose that were least defenceable. Then rumours of tri joining came to pass. At once the nc appeared to crumble, and indeed their withdraw was fast from all systems. Insrg cut off many of their ships and killed many, and then came the titan kill. What followed was a week of stalemate, with both sides pretty much sitting each side of the BKG gate in Z-k. NC had more still, and so for trisurg to jump in would have been suicide. For nc to jump in would also not have been without risk (as indeed they had lost with more numbers on the first day of the campain pulling a similer manuver). There were moments when it seemed possible for trisurge to win, such as a few abortive attacks on the BKG jumpbridge, which was defended by multiple titans backed up by greater numbers of pilots than were available to trisurge. Iron and MH numbers started to rise (Iron had been there since the start but they really started to show in number during the US tz). The following week tri were attacking pure space, but the nc kept hammering away at insrg. Unfortunately tri was suffering from some internal problems, and the following week they disbanded. Trisurge was no more. Insrg then deployed the first Insrg Titan and it seemed for a while that insrg could still win. The big push came during the bank holiday weekend when nc were able to field all their weekend warriors, when the % of actual avaiable pilots rises in proportion to the total number of pilots. Insrg held and it looked possible to grind the nc down with insrg still dealing more lossess to nc than it took. Then the nc started to push more and more people into the US tz and prevent the damage they were doing in the EU timezone from being undone. And slowly but surely the nc's numbers in all tz being greater started to take effect.
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:33:00 - [97] Originally by: Cautet long emo whining post about blobs and numbers wow I bet NightmareX is your teacher If you can't handle eve pvp than maybe you should go to hello kitty online, there you hardly get blobbed and outnumbered gj man, keep posting
n00b alt3 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:46:00 - [98] I know as of now, the NC is remaining neutral in the RSF/FVCKAS conflict, but will they? To be honest, its no mystery to ANYBODY that most of RSF isnt fond in any way of most of the NC save for an alliance or two, and should geminate fall (and thats a big giant should), its quite obvious who will be the next target. So, the question remains, will the NC continue to sit back and enjoy their neutrality and carebear it up before the storm comes their way? Or will the actually be proactive in preserving themselves and their space?
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:50:00 - [99] Edited by: MineralOel Steuer on 23/05/2008 18:51:03 Originally by: n00b alt3 I know as of now, the NC is remaining neutral in the RSF/FVCKAS conflict, but will they? To be honest, its no mystery to ANYBODY that most of RSF isnt fond in any way of most of the NC save for an alliance or two, and should geminate fall (and thats a big giant should), its quite obvious who will be the next target. So, the question remains, will the NC continue to sit back and enjoy their neutrality and carebear it up before the storm comes their way? Or will the actually be proactive in preserving themselves and their space? check the RA "standing reset" thread
n00b alt3 THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:54:00 - [100] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer check the RA "standing reset" thread Oh I know, but as we all know RA's standings change very swiftly if you arent REALLY close with them. The NC has to know this, to not acknowledge it is just to accept ignorance.

Demarcus Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:58:00 - [101] This thread makes about as much sense as an amputee making hand gestures. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:01:00 - [102] Originally by: n00b alt3 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer check the RA "standing reset" thread Oh I know, but as we all know RA's standings change very swiftly if you arent REALLY close with them. The NC has to know this, to not acknowledge it is just to accept ignorance. well against the NC i don't except a "crazy Ivan" like move. I'm pretty sure they want some of the moons in deklein/fade/Pure blind
Cautet Precision Engineering Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:27:00 - [103] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: Cautet long emo whining post about blobs and numbers wow I bet NightmareX is your teacher If you can't handle eve pvp than maybe you should go to hello kitty online, there you hardly get blobbed and outnumbered gj man, keep posting Is it up and runnng yet? I've been looking forward to Hello Kitty Online for ages. I hate pvp! It scares me, and i'd much rather play a game where there is no possability of being killed and losing my stuff. This is also why i'm posting behind an alt on an annonomous internet forum that sits behind a main that sits behind a blob. Oh wait, Thats you! NB: Is there a program I can use to filter out ****heads like MineralOel?
Znaei Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:47:00 - [104] Originally by: WETRAIN The North is a very interesting place when you are on your own, no one to help you when needed, no help and your not blue to the coaliton. you will get blobed, or not, you will get titan action or not, either way, the only thing to break the coalition is another coalition. Which we will ofc call the New Norther Nap Coalition (NNNC) and the circle is complete and nwe NSA gets formed. Not so hard! Air gets in between.
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:05:00 - [105] Originally by: Znaei Which we will ofc call the New Norther Nap Coalition (NNNC) and the circle is complete and nwe NSA gets formed. Where do all these extra random letters keep coming from? Up to quite recently everyone was fine with us just being NC, but now everyone seems to keep making up new acronyms at least adding a bunch of Ns, Fs, Ts and other letters as desired.
Traderjohn Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:05:00 - [106] Just to clariy. Since i never post on coad will make this breif. IRON arrived the same time MH did, as we had other commitments in drone regions. So our arrival coensided with MH. To insurg, what can i say. Respect given for fighting the against the odds, some awsome fights in the end. At the end of the day, isnt that why most of us play the game. So cant complain really. Flysafe TJ IRON Leadership
Lou Cypher The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:52:00 - [107] GF Above all hats off to the fierce and sleepless FC's and pilots from Razor , Iron , MM , Pure and the rest! Personal props to Koth for always taking care of business , Do u ever stop being awesome? OOK!! OOK!!11 Shrike > Good Morning Northen Monekys, this is God speaking.
Minigin Ganja Labs Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:08:00 - [108] Originally by: n00b alt3 I know as of now, the NC is remaining neutral in the RSF/FVCKAS conflict, but will they? To be honest, its no mystery to ANYBODY that most of RSF isnt fond in any way of most of the NC save for an alliance or two, and should geminate fall (and thats a big giant should), its quite obvious who will be the next target. So, the question remains, will the NC continue to sit back and enjoy their neutrality and carebear it up before the storm comes their way? Or will the actually be proactive in preserving themselves and their space? terrified Smatakill alt spotted. be a man and fight ragoon by yourself(well and the other 10 alliances you where blobbing r-6 with last week) fight hard or go home. (or cry for help...) . MINIGIN! Now bringing colour back to these forums =)
Dashboard Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2008.05.25 00:19:00 - [109] Respect to Academy CEO, all of whose predictions came true.
Yaay Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.25 01:13:00 - [110] Edited by: Yaay on 25/05/2008 01:14:06 Originally by: KOTH Fluf I think the NC rarely had to form 2 fleets, maybe only 2 or 3 times in the whole conflict. Support numbers were always under 250 most of the time and alot less during US TZ. Cap fleets averaged between 50 and 100 most times. Once Tri entered the war, Mostly Harmless and IRON both entered as MH was waiting for Sov 3 to take hold in the space they took from Rule of Three and moved their caps up along with IRON. This gave us roughly even numbers during the strong Insurgency US TZ, which enabled us to finally start making headway. The reduction of 75 hostile carriers over the war reduced Insurgency's ability to defend and rep their towers. Basically we cut their cap fleet probably by a 3rd, while spreading our cap losses out over several alliances. Talking numbers all the time is just stupid. Fleet sizes for most battles were mostly the same if you check the fleet fights for most battles. The key for the coalition was we were able to have pilots come in and out of the conflict, to make isk, replace ships, and do logistics much easier with the numbers we had. Insugency didnt have the luxury. The NC is very used to these kind of conflicts, having been doing them for over 2 years now. We new this would be and extended conflict,and time was on our side. translation, we lacked any ability to make headway, so we called in even more people We find fun lacksidasical wars where not everyone needs to show up every day b/c they'd rather rat or mine or npc. Fluf, quit making it sound like some major triumph of any degree on the norths side. You out blobbed in both timezones and used as many people/alliances to do as little collective work as possible. I've said it before and I'll say it again, call a spade a spade and you'll get more respect for doing so... quit trying to make the north seem something it's not. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID

Nollific	Posted - 2008.05.25 04:20:00 - [111] Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 25/05/2008 01:18:07 Edited by: Yaay on 25/05/2008 01:14:06 Originally by: KOTH Fluf stuff translation, we lacked any ability to make headway, so we called in even more people We find fun lacksidasical wars where not everyone needs to show up every day b/c they'd rather rat or mine or npc. Fluf, quit making it sound like some major triumph of any degree on the norths side. You out blobbed in both timezones and used as many people/alliances to do as little collective work as possible. I've said it before and I'll say it again, call a spade a spade and you'll get more respect for doing so... quit trying to make the north seem something it's not. Beyond the north, nobody in eve seems to think you guys accomplished more than overwhelming a smaller group of people 24/7 until you got your systems. Strategy/tactic/will had little to do with victory, even some of your own FCs in the north confess this. Next up, you want to have a heroic win depleting BoB's capital fuels again? So now, if we're to take to heart your latest whine; the complaint isn't that you lost your space; Its not even stating, hey we just took the space to get a fight.. It is now.. 1500-1900 people wouldn't play the game the way you wanted to, and that they didn't take you as seriously as you took your fight and instead treated you like a side show stripper amongst their friends where they only came when they needed a bit of diversion and entertainment between other activities. I guess now we know why you're so miffed, I would be too if in the end that's all my alliance that I thought so highly of turned out to be. Cheers.
SnakeArts D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:19:00 - [112] Originally by: KOTH Fluf I think the NC rarely had to form 2 fleets, maybe only 2 or 3 times in the whole conflict. Support numbers were always under 250 most of the time and alot less during US TZ. Cap fleets averaged between 50 and 100 most times. Once Tri entered the war, Mostly Harmless and IRON both entered as MH was waiting for Sov 3 to take hold in the space they took from Rule of Three and moved their caps up along with IRON. This gave us roughly even numbers during the strong Insurgency US TZ, which enabled us to finally start making headway. The reduction of 75 hostile carriers over the war reduced Insurgency's ability to defend and rep their towers. Basically we cut their cap fleet probably by a 3rd, while spreading our cap losses out over several alliances. Talking numbers all the time is just stupid. Fleet sizes for most battles were mostly the same if you check the fleet fights for most battles. The key for the coalition was we were able to have pilots come in and out of the conflict, to make isk, replace ships, and do logistics much easier with the numbers we had. Insugency didnt have the luxury. The NC is very used to these kind of conflicts, having been doing them for over 2 years now. We new this would be and extended conflict,and time was on our side. The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother**** and I like it. If you dont then do one.
Idaeus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:23:00 - [113] Politics is part of the game. TRI sucked at it.
MineralOel Steuer OP EC	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:29:00 - [114] Originally by: SnakeArts The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother**** and I like it. If you dont then do one. The fact you know so little about your former Alliance is astounding.
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:34:00 - [115] Originally by: SnakeArts The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother**** and I like it. If you dont then do one. and how's that been working out for you? SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated Executive Commander RAZOR Alliance
SnakeArts D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:09:00 - [116] and how's that been working out for you? Quite well actually, having fun and no pressure getting alot of cap kills this past week too which is nice. Fact is you have no comeback from that comment at all.
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:31:00 - [117] Originally by: SnakeArts The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother**** and I like it. If you dont then do one. Would it make a difference if all the NC joined the one corp or one alliance?
SnakeArts D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:35:00 - [118] Would it make a difference if all the NC joined the one corp or one alliance? its just *, no skill in it, lame even more * and they are all ugly to boot :).
Nocturnal Avenger Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:11:00 - [119] Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: Cautet long emo whining post about blobs and numbers /quote] Your main is a fool. - Carebear Pirate -
Wednesday Sheffield GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:35:00 - [120] Originally by: Yaay Fluf, quit making it sound like some major triumph of any degree on the norths side. You out blobbed in both timezones and used as many people/alliances to do as little collective work as possible. If you really care about good fights between even opponents so much why did you join an alliance that has consistently over the last four or so months choose to attack alliances that were incapable or unwilling to provide such a thing.

Roach Ford	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:45:00 - [121] Edited by: Roach Ford on 25/05/2008 09:45:48 Originally by: SnakeArts Originally by: KOTH Fluf I think the NC rarely had to form 2 fleets, maybe only 2 or 3 times in the whole conflict. Support numbers were always under 250 most of the time and alot less during US TZ. Cap fleets averaged between 50 and 100 most times. Once Tri entered the war, Mostly Harmless and IRON both entered as MH was waiting for Sov 3 to take hold in the space they took from Rule of Three and moved their caps up along with IRON. This gave us roughly even numbers during the strong Insurgency US TZ, which enabled us to finally start making headway. The reduction of 75 hostile carriers over the war reduced Insurgency's ability to defend and rep their towers. Basically we cut their cap fleet probably by a 3rd, while spreading our cap losses out over several alliances. Talking numbers all the time is just stupid. Fleet sizes for most battles were mostly the same if you check the fleet fights for most battles. The key for the coalition was we were able to have pilots come in and out of the conflict, to make isk, replace ships, and do logistics much easier with the numbers we had. Insugency didnt have the luxury. The NC is very used to these kind of conflicts, having been doing them for over 2 years now. We new this would be and extended conflict,and time was on our side. The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother**** and I like it. If you dont then do one. Alt post: I remember TRI napping some of the NC to kick out sparta out of DEK back in the day, or wasn't you around then??
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:54:00 - [122] Originally by: SnakeArts The fact you need to nap with so many is astounding, to hold your own is in my opinion what eve is about. You never saw tri napping with the neighbour next door for the sake of it. It is weak, pathetic, and unjust to say the least. I dont care what any alliance says they accomplish when they do it off each others backs. Until you can honestly say you did it with YOUR own alliance without any outside help you have about as much respect as my ** gets when I flush it. Yes am a harsh mother** and I like it. If you dont then do one. The astounding fact here is that we've known your own corp better and longer than yourself moron. You joined Doom. right before this war and don't know . TRI has napped many entities but by now they are all DEAD. In addition to that you've been inactive now for a month what looks like. You're not a harsh mother****, you're just a standard player with weak flames and no energy ingame because you've just been wiped out so comprehensively it makes you bitter. Why don't you join Souls Of Vengeance and do something about it? --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:15:00 - [123] Its an interesting question... with INSRG currently getting most of their kills in lowsec (not a bad thing, camping logistics systems is effective and annoying) what are the NC going to do for entertainment? ----------
Baddias Mongo Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:23:00 - [124] Roadtrip!
Shirei Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:24:00 - [125] Originally by: Butter Dog Its an interesting question... with INSRG currently getting most of their kills in lowsec (not a bad thing, camping logistics systems is effective and annoying) what are the NC going to do for entertainment? It is very nice of you that you care so much about our well-being. I'm sure we'll find something.
Mei Han Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:07:00 - [126] Originally by: Butter Dog Its an interesting question... with INSRG currently getting most of their kills in lowsec (not a bad thing, camping logistics systems is effective and annoying) what are the NC going to do for entertainment? Its not like we missed PVP in the last year or so. So i will understand if we take a break now. Although i do not see that possible. To much to do too little time.
SnakeArts D00M.	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:44:00 - [127] The astounding fact here is that we've known your own corp better and longer than yourself moron. You joined Doom. right before this war and don't know **. TRI has napped many entities but by now they are all DEAD. In addition to that you've been inactive now for a month what looks like. You're not a harsh mother**, you're just a standard player with weak flames and no energy ingame because you've just been wiped out so comprehensively it makes you bitter. Why don't you join Souls Of Vengeance and do something about it? I have been inactive for a month? Think you are looking at the wrong kb there head. Am not bitter just stating a fact that a naptrain isnt the big accomplishment you all make it out to be. Oh and your * tbh go fall off a cliff k thanx.
SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:20:00 - [128] Originally by: SnakeArts ... **head. Am not bitter... Oh and your * tbh go fall off a cliff k thanx. Clearly no bitterness going on here. Your also fairly bad at using the quote system... you need to try harder. SigmaPi Cutting Edge Incorporated Executive Commander RAZOR Alliance
snakefartz House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:27:00 - [129] zomg failzor still going on about this crap there stupid 7 alliance naptrain u guys r all carebears alls u can do is blob theres no skill go bk to empire and mine were u belong u bunch of winnet burgers
Tearavygh Quillam Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:53:00 - [130] Originally by: snakefartz zomg failzor still going on about this crap there stupid 7 alliance naptrain u guys r all carebears alls u can do is blob theres no skill go bk to empire and mine were u belong u bunch of winnet burgers 0.0 moon mining is so much better.

K'Bar Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:58:00 - [131] Edited by: K''Bar on 25/05/2008 15:59:57 Edited by: K''Bar on 25/05/2008 15:58:54 Originally by: MineralOel Steuer Originally by: MAXSuicide people shouldnt give this guy any attention, he will get bored of looking like a nub after a while. you'r right, hows TRI btw? oh wait We're on a break right now, but thanks for asking.
SlowMovingFisherman I Eatz Ur Baconz	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:20:00 - [132] Quote: We're on a break right now, but thanks for asking. from self destructing more alliances?
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:21:00 - [133] hey dorm please join bob tia


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