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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:18:00 -
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They're not seeded on the market, but they're now viewable on the variations tab. Short form is they're faster, but less-damaging T1 cruisers.
Osprey Navy Issue: 4 launcher hardpoints, ROF bonus, 4/5/3 layout with 230m/s base speed.
Scythe Fleet Issue: "mini Typhoon", 3/3 missiles/guns with ROF bonus to each, 6/4/3 layout and 270m/s base speed with 8500000 mass!
Exequror Navy Issue: 5% hybrid ROF and damage, 4/3/5 layout with only 20m3 drone bay. 250m/s base speed on a blaster boat that fights within web range isn't going to save this from being a bad Thorax.
OMEN NAVY ISSUE! 5/3/5 with the 10% cap bonus and 7.5% ROF AND a 25m3 drone bay.
And the existing ones seem to have recieved an upgrade too. The Navy Caracal, Fleet Stabber and Navy Vexor all have +1 weapon hardpoint.
But... CCP, you're forgetting something: the pirate faction ships, and the worthless faction frigates. The Sansha changes were nice, but let's not leave out the other pirates. Make my Vigilant even more awesome please (HAC resists so I don't have to fly the ugly green Deimos?). |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:24:00 -
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Quote: The Empire's inner circle of armaments manufacturers has long been proud of the expert methods utilized to harden the Navy Issue Apocalypse's armor plating and structural framework to such an amazing degree. Its shield systems are also state-of-the-art, rivalling even Caldari Prime's best. Fearsome by reputation, this is the flagship vessel of the Imperial Navy's elite wing. Not many are unfortunate enough to have ever actually met one on the field of battle, and those who do usually do not live to tell the tale.
Special Ability: 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use and 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range per level.
well a lot of players should be huzzahing now.
even though I for one was hoping for something... different seeing as you made players wait. |
Mioelnir
KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:40:00 -
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The Navy Caracal got changed too.
+1 launcher +65 CPU -60 Grid |
Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 22/05/2008 07:44:13 Navy Osprey is going to be interesting... 5km/sec nano'd without Snakes
...though not a whole lot of DPS
the Omen looks to be seriously good. |
ollobrains2
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:44:00 -
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seemed fairly well balanced. |
Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:59:00 -
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Has the Navy Apoc been changed?
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gold Rogers Has the Navy Apoc been changed?
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
yes look at my post :)
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gold Rogers
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
skill reqs... ...
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Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
yes look at my post :)
Sorry missed your quote.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
skill reqs...
Yeah that's true, I meant to mention if you can fly HACS. Sorry for the confussion. |
MalVortex
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: MalVortex on 22/05/2008 08:51:33 Edited by: MalVortex on 22/05/2008 08:50:02 The AN Omen will outgank the Zealot.
At Cruiser V, an AN omen has 8 effective turret slots, compared to the 8.33 effective turret slots on the Zealot (7.81 @ HAC 4). The AN Omen then throws 25m^3 of drones on - easily out dpsing 0.33 effective turrets. Zealot's primary 1up on the AN Omen is its much better range and Cap (37.5% faster ROF with worse base cap than a zealot will eat your cap alive. Om Nom Nom)
The AN Omen is pimp. Utility high for cloak, massive DPS, ~same speed (rough guesstimate, slightly lower base speed, slightly lower mass). Hoard your Amarr Navy LP now boys and girls, this thing will go toe to toe with a HAC and win.
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:24:00 -
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The Omen is there to blind us from how utterly sub-par the Exequror is. It offers nothing useful over the thorax.
It does less dps (not the halved drone bay), has less hp, less fitting*, less cap after fitting an mwd.
It's faster and lighter, neither of which really help in web range. Maybe it's intended for fitting rail and using it's speed to keep range from tackled people, but it'll be slower than a true nano ship and they tend not to be tackled.
*With a cpu implant you can fit ions, standard mids, 800mm plate, dcu and three magstabs. You can, with the same implant fit the same on a thorax (and your extra gun) and do it better.
Am I just missing the point with it or does it really just suck? |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 22/05/2008 09:46:57
Has the Navy apoc capacitor size been boosted to replace the original cap bonus?
Looks like the 1.4M LP I hoarded for 6 months and more will finally pay off. ------------------------------------------
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Tyrantus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin OMEN NAVY ISSUE! 5/3/5 with the 10% cap bonus and 7.5% ROF AND a 25m3 drone bay.
Sweet! I knew I made the right choice by going with Amarr. Future Member Of The Imperial 24th |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:14:00 -
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I am guessing these new faction/fleet/militia cruisers will not be available in the regular LP stores. Not sure how else they can be released though so I might well be wrong, it happened once before.
Bodes well for the whole Faction War thing. Low-sec populated by gangs of T1 cruisers and other T1 ships instead of the silly T2 griefing pie-rats that seem to spawn there now. Briefly boosted by infini-point HICs only to be brutally slaughtered by overzealous nationalist militia's six months later .. oh the humanity!
Amarr Victor!
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:26:00 -
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That Navy Omen. I'm all over it. -----
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PR Hough
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Navy vexor is freaking awesome :)
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Kamazani
Khaos Heavy Industries Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:21:00 -
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Maybe I am missing something...but is there any reason the Omen is getting 1.5-2x the structure/armor/shield of the all the others? Seems a pretty large increase for comparable vessels? --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman? |
Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:32:00 -
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Isn't the Zealot suppost to be on par with the Caracal, Stabber and Vexor?
And the Aug to be in line with the new ships? ---------
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:47:00 -
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Turrets for vexor?
The navy vexor was a 5/3/6 with 5 turrets, how can you add it a turret?
So, what about its dronebay and bandwidth? It's a freaking droneship, so that's the important part.
How did it change? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:07:00 -
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drone bay for the osprey ? --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
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Hayman Wakefield
Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:14:00 -
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I couldn't see any changes on the Navy Vexor at lunch, I am over the moon with the extra launcher on the Caracal. Noticed a nerf on the Augoror I presume this is to bring it in line with the lower tier ships loses the Utility slot (still 5 turrets) and a lowering of CPU and PG. Can't give exact figures as I'm back at work.
Originally by: Capt Harlock "I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kamazani Maybe I am missing something...but is there any reason the Omen is getting 1.5-2x the structure/armor/shield of the all the others? Seems a pretty large increase for comparable vessels?
You have to compare it to say a navy vex/navy cara not the exqueror/osprey etc. It seems reasonably balanced compared to those.
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:57:00 -
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The navy omen should have loads of HPs like other heavy combat faction cruisers.
For the auguror, I guess it would loose some HP and gain some speed maybe?
Anyone to make screenshots of the ships stats before, after (and not host them on imageshack please)? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:29:00 -
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I know these ships can me modified anytime til the devs decide to lock the design but i'm concerned about their initial design : two of them have 12 slots, one 13 and one has 16 slots. Cpu and pg distribution among them are vastly inequal, more than I know between existing racial differences.
Hope this will improve, for those ships seem COOL.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:34:39 http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/exequrorNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/scytheNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/omenNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/ospreyNavyIssue.jpg
Congrats, CCP. The new Omen looks alright I guess, and I can't speak for the Osprey or Scythe as I can't fly them, but the new Exeq? Really? Are you kidding?
At Cruiser 5, that's +25% DPS and +25% RoF. Let's be charitable and give it a total overall outgoing DPS of +60%. That gives it a total effective turrets of 6.4, compared to the Thorax's 6.25, and it has a higher base speed. Yet, the Thorax gets an MWD cap use bonus and better base stats in everything else, including such niceties as drone bay, hp, and the PG to fit that extra gun. Not to mention the whole not costing LP and having BPOs bit.
So we get to go a little bit faster while being worse at everything else than a freely available tech-1 cruiser? Good going CCP, at least it'll look cool sitting in a hangar. At least the Navy Vexor, while still costing the same as a HAC, has some redeeming qualities. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:35:00 -
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I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns. Also the 25% damage bonus brings it up to the damage of a thorax and then the ROF bonus is better than the 25% damage bonus the thorax gets..
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.75 = 6.67
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Mioelnir
KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:49:00 -
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Tier 3 Combat Cruisers:
- Rupture, Thorax, Moa, Maller
Empire Faction Version: none
Tier 2 Combat Cruisers:
- Stabber, Vexor, Caracal, Omen
Empire Faction Version: Stabber/Vexor/Caracal were already in game, Omen now added
Tier 2 EW Cruisers:
- Bellicose, Celestis, Blackbird, Arbitrator
Empire Faction Version: none
Tier 1 Support Cruisers:
- Scythe, Exequror, Osprey, Augoror
Empire Faction Version: Scythe/Exequror/Osprey added, Augoror already in game
Please please please stop comparing the Exeq (tier 1) to the Thorax (tier 3).
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:56:22
Originally by: Arana Tellen I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns. Also the 25% damage bonus brings it up to the damage of a thorax and then the ROF bonus is better than the 25% damage bonus the thorax gets..
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.75 = 6.67
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it.
Excess speed of the non-nano'd variety does jack-all in web range, and the Thorax still gets an extra 75 PG, which is more than enough to mount 5 Ions or Neutrons if you forgo a 1600mm plate. Also, 5 medium drones are MUCH more useful than 4 light drones if it's all you have - 5 Vespa ECMs vs 4 Hornet ECMs, and 5 med drones vs 4 light drones do about double the damage (72 for 4 hobs vs 143 for 5 hammerheads).
The Exequror Navy Issue is absolute crap in its current incarnation and not worth anywhere near any price the LP store could be charging for it.
To the above - of course I'm gonna compare the Navy Exeq to the tier 3. Why? It IS a tier 3 by definition, requiring Cruiser III. Furthermore, it is going to cost significantly MORE than the Thorax, which is better than it in nearly every way. Last, the tier 1 cruisers are all logistics boats. This piece of crap is a blaster boat allegedly designed for the role of the Thorax. Please realize that these ships are worthless unless they are worth the effort - the Navy Exequror is worth NOTHING in its current state. Would you spend LP and Isk to get a ship that is outclassed not by it's tech 2 counterpart, not by its BC/BS counterpart, but a TECH 1 CLASSMATE?!
I'd bet even the regular Vexor could out-close-range this hunk of crap if you prefer any semblance of tank, but that's a drone ship, not a blasterboat like the Thorax I am using as comparison, so I'll let it be. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:07:00 -
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Is it just me or is the new Exqueror absolutely PATHETIC? Yes, it looks kinda nice (finally back to its organic-ish skin in classic graphics), but with only 4 turrets its completely outclassed. Fair enough that its tier 1, but the base ship's tank is already lacking so much its sad. Its only saving grace would have been a drone bay, but it doesn't get that (even the OTHER SHIPS get 25m3!). ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:34:39 http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/exequrorNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/scytheNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/omenNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/ospreyNavyIssue.jpg
Congrats, CCP. The new Omen looks alright I guess, and I can't speak for the Osprey or Scythe as I can't fly them, but the new Exeq? Really? Are you kidding?
At Cruiser 5, that's +25% DPS and +25% RoF. Let's be charitable and give it a total overall outgoing DPS of +60%. That gives it a total effective turrets of 6.4, compared to the Thorax's 6.25, and it has a higher base speed. Yet, the Thorax gets an MWD cap use bonus and better base stats in everything else, including such niceties as drone bay, hp, and the PG to fit that extra gun. Not to mention the whole not costing LP and having BPOs bit.
So we get to go a little bit faster while being worse at everything else than a freely available tech-1 cruiser? Good going CCP, at least it'll look cool sitting in a hangar. At least the Navy Vexor, while still costing the same as a HAC, has some redeeming qualities.
25% damage increase and 25% rof double the damage. Thus, it's worth 8 turrets not 6.25
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