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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:18:00 -
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They're not seeded on the market, but they're now viewable on the variations tab. Short form is they're faster, but less-damaging T1 cruisers.
Osprey Navy Issue: 4 launcher hardpoints, ROF bonus, 4/5/3 layout with 230m/s base speed.
Scythe Fleet Issue: "mini Typhoon", 3/3 missiles/guns with ROF bonus to each, 6/4/3 layout and 270m/s base speed with 8500000 mass!
Exequror Navy Issue: 5% hybrid ROF and damage, 4/3/5 layout with only 20m3 drone bay. 250m/s base speed on a blaster boat that fights within web range isn't going to save this from being a bad Thorax.
OMEN NAVY ISSUE! 5/3/5 with the 10% cap bonus and 7.5% ROF AND a 25m3 drone bay.
And the existing ones seem to have recieved an upgrade too. The Navy Caracal, Fleet Stabber and Navy Vexor all have +1 weapon hardpoint.
But... CCP, you're forgetting something: the pirate faction ships, and the worthless faction frigates. The Sansha changes were nice, but let's not leave out the other pirates. Make my Vigilant even more awesome please (HAC resists so I don't have to fly the ugly green Deimos?). |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:24:00 -
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Quote: The Empire's inner circle of armaments manufacturers has long been proud of the expert methods utilized to harden the Navy Issue Apocalypse's armor plating and structural framework to such an amazing degree. Its shield systems are also state-of-the-art, rivalling even Caldari Prime's best. Fearsome by reputation, this is the flagship vessel of the Imperial Navy's elite wing. Not many are unfortunate enough to have ever actually met one on the field of battle, and those who do usually do not live to tell the tale.
Special Ability: 10% bonus to Large Energy Turret capacitor use and 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range per level.
well a lot of players should be huzzahing now.
even though I for one was hoping for something... different seeing as you made players wait. |
Mioelnir
KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:40:00 -
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The Navy Caracal got changed too.
+1 launcher +65 CPU -60 Grid |
Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 22/05/2008 07:44:13 Navy Osprey is going to be interesting... 5km/sec nano'd without Snakes
...though not a whole lot of DPS
the Omen looks to be seriously good. |
ollobrains2
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:44:00 -
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seemed fairly well balanced. |
Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 07:59:00 -
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Has the Navy Apoc been changed?
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gold Rogers Has the Navy Apoc been changed?
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
yes look at my post :)
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gold Rogers
The Omen looks pretty tasty guess it's going to come down to cost though if it's worth flying. If it's the same price as the current faction cruisers you'll be better off with a Zealot, the only draw back I can see being the drone bay.
skill reqs... ...
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Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
yes look at my post :)
Sorry missed your quote.
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
skill reqs...
Yeah that's true, I meant to mention if you can fly HACS. Sorry for the confussion. |
MalVortex
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.05.22 08:49:00 -
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Edited by: MalVortex on 22/05/2008 08:51:33 Edited by: MalVortex on 22/05/2008 08:50:02 The AN Omen will outgank the Zealot.
At Cruiser V, an AN omen has 8 effective turret slots, compared to the 8.33 effective turret slots on the Zealot (7.81 @ HAC 4). The AN Omen then throws 25m^3 of drones on - easily out dpsing 0.33 effective turrets. Zealot's primary 1up on the AN Omen is its much better range and Cap (37.5% faster ROF with worse base cap than a zealot will eat your cap alive. Om Nom Nom)
The AN Omen is pimp. Utility high for cloak, massive DPS, ~same speed (rough guesstimate, slightly lower base speed, slightly lower mass). Hoard your Amarr Navy LP now boys and girls, this thing will go toe to toe with a HAC and win.
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:24:00 -
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The Omen is there to blind us from how utterly sub-par the Exequror is. It offers nothing useful over the thorax.
It does less dps (not the halved drone bay), has less hp, less fitting*, less cap after fitting an mwd.
It's faster and lighter, neither of which really help in web range. Maybe it's intended for fitting rail and using it's speed to keep range from tackled people, but it'll be slower than a true nano ship and they tend not to be tackled.
*With a cpu implant you can fit ions, standard mids, 800mm plate, dcu and three magstabs. You can, with the same implant fit the same on a thorax (and your extra gun) and do it better.
Am I just missing the point with it or does it really just suck? |
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.22 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 22/05/2008 09:46:57
Has the Navy apoc capacitor size been boosted to replace the original cap bonus?
Looks like the 1.4M LP I hoarded for 6 months and more will finally pay off. ------------------------------------------
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Tyrantus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin OMEN NAVY ISSUE! 5/3/5 with the 10% cap bonus and 7.5% ROF AND a 25m3 drone bay.
Sweet! I knew I made the right choice by going with Amarr. Future Member Of The Imperial 24th |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:14:00 -
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I am guessing these new faction/fleet/militia cruisers will not be available in the regular LP stores. Not sure how else they can be released though so I might well be wrong, it happened once before.
Bodes well for the whole Faction War thing. Low-sec populated by gangs of T1 cruisers and other T1 ships instead of the silly T2 griefing pie-rats that seem to spawn there now. Briefly boosted by infini-point HICs only to be brutally slaughtered by overzealous nationalist militia's six months later .. oh the humanity!
Amarr Victor!
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2008.05.22 10:26:00 -
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That Navy Omen. I'm all over it. -----
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PR Hough
Fatalix Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:12:00 -
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Navy vexor is freaking awesome :)
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Kamazani
Khaos Heavy Industries Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:21:00 -
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Maybe I am missing something...but is there any reason the Omen is getting 1.5-2x the structure/armor/shield of the all the others? Seems a pretty large increase for comparable vessels? --------------------------- by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44 whats evemon is it like a jamican wiseman? |
Gold Rogers
Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:32:00 -
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Isn't the Zealot suppost to be on par with the Caracal, Stabber and Vexor?
And the Aug to be in line with the new ships? ---------
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.22 12:47:00 -
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Turrets for vexor?
The navy vexor was a 5/3/6 with 5 turrets, how can you add it a turret?
So, what about its dronebay and bandwidth? It's a freaking droneship, so that's the important part.
How did it change? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:07:00 -
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drone bay for the osprey ? --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
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Hayman Wakefield
Trans-Stellar Salvage Shipping and Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:14:00 -
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I couldn't see any changes on the Navy Vexor at lunch, I am over the moon with the extra launcher on the Caracal. Noticed a nerf on the Augoror I presume this is to bring it in line with the lower tier ships loses the Utility slot (still 5 turrets) and a lowering of CPU and PG. Can't give exact figures as I'm back at work.
Originally by: Capt Harlock "I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".
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Wu Jiun
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kamazani Maybe I am missing something...but is there any reason the Omen is getting 1.5-2x the structure/armor/shield of the all the others? Seems a pretty large increase for comparable vessels?
You have to compare it to say a navy vex/navy cara not the exqueror/osprey etc. It seems reasonably balanced compared to those.
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Eleana Tomelac
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2008.05.22 13:57:00 -
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The navy omen should have loads of HPs like other heavy combat faction cruisers.
For the auguror, I guess it would loose some HP and gain some speed maybe?
Anyone to make screenshots of the ships stats before, after (and not host them on imageshack please)? -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast !
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Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:29:00 -
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I know these ships can me modified anytime til the devs decide to lock the design but i'm concerned about their initial design : two of them have 12 slots, one 13 and one has 16 slots. Cpu and pg distribution among them are vastly inequal, more than I know between existing racial differences.
Hope this will improve, for those ships seem COOL.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:34:39 http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/exequrorNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/scytheNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/omenNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/ospreyNavyIssue.jpg
Congrats, CCP. The new Omen looks alright I guess, and I can't speak for the Osprey or Scythe as I can't fly them, but the new Exeq? Really? Are you kidding?
At Cruiser 5, that's +25% DPS and +25% RoF. Let's be charitable and give it a total overall outgoing DPS of +60%. That gives it a total effective turrets of 6.4, compared to the Thorax's 6.25, and it has a higher base speed. Yet, the Thorax gets an MWD cap use bonus and better base stats in everything else, including such niceties as drone bay, hp, and the PG to fit that extra gun. Not to mention the whole not costing LP and having BPOs bit.
So we get to go a little bit faster while being worse at everything else than a freely available tech-1 cruiser? Good going CCP, at least it'll look cool sitting in a hangar. At least the Navy Vexor, while still costing the same as a HAC, has some redeeming qualities. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:35:00 -
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I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns. Also the 25% damage bonus brings it up to the damage of a thorax and then the ROF bonus is better than the 25% damage bonus the thorax gets..
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.75 = 6.67
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Mioelnir
KULT Production Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:49:00 -
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Tier 3 Combat Cruisers:
- Rupture, Thorax, Moa, Maller
Empire Faction Version: none
Tier 2 Combat Cruisers:
- Stabber, Vexor, Caracal, Omen
Empire Faction Version: Stabber/Vexor/Caracal were already in game, Omen now added
Tier 2 EW Cruisers:
- Bellicose, Celestis, Blackbird, Arbitrator
Empire Faction Version: none
Tier 1 Support Cruisers:
- Scythe, Exequror, Osprey, Augoror
Empire Faction Version: Scythe/Exequror/Osprey added, Augoror already in game
Please please please stop comparing the Exeq (tier 1) to the Thorax (tier 3).
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.22 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:56:22
Originally by: Arana Tellen I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns. Also the 25% damage bonus brings it up to the damage of a thorax and then the ROF bonus is better than the 25% damage bonus the thorax gets..
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.75 = 6.67
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it.
Excess speed of the non-nano'd variety does jack-all in web range, and the Thorax still gets an extra 75 PG, which is more than enough to mount 5 Ions or Neutrons if you forgo a 1600mm plate. Also, 5 medium drones are MUCH more useful than 4 light drones if it's all you have - 5 Vespa ECMs vs 4 Hornet ECMs, and 5 med drones vs 4 light drones do about double the damage (72 for 4 hobs vs 143 for 5 hammerheads).
The Exequror Navy Issue is absolute crap in its current incarnation and not worth anywhere near any price the LP store could be charging for it.
To the above - of course I'm gonna compare the Navy Exeq to the tier 3. Why? It IS a tier 3 by definition, requiring Cruiser III. Furthermore, it is going to cost significantly MORE than the Thorax, which is better than it in nearly every way. Last, the tier 1 cruisers are all logistics boats. This piece of crap is a blaster boat allegedly designed for the role of the Thorax. Please realize that these ships are worthless unless they are worth the effort - the Navy Exequror is worth NOTHING in its current state. Would you spend LP and Isk to get a ship that is outclassed not by it's tech 2 counterpart, not by its BC/BS counterpart, but a TECH 1 CLASSMATE?!
I'd bet even the regular Vexor could out-close-range this hunk of crap if you prefer any semblance of tank, but that's a drone ship, not a blasterboat like the Thorax I am using as comparison, so I'll let it be. ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
Manfred Rickenbocker
The Elliance Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:07:00 -
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Is it just me or is the new Exqueror absolutely PATHETIC? Yes, it looks kinda nice (finally back to its organic-ish skin in classic graphics), but with only 4 turrets its completely outclassed. Fair enough that its tier 1, but the base ship's tank is already lacking so much its sad. Its only saving grace would have been a drone bay, but it doesn't get that (even the OTHER SHIPS get 25m3!). ------------------------ Peace through superior firepower: a guiding principle for uncertain times. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekiel Sulastin Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 22/05/2008 14:34:39 http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/exequrorNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/scytheNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/omenNavyIssue.jpg http://www.atheninc.net/personal/NewFactionShips/ospreyNavyIssue.jpg
Congrats, CCP. The new Omen looks alright I guess, and I can't speak for the Osprey or Scythe as I can't fly them, but the new Exeq? Really? Are you kidding?
At Cruiser 5, that's +25% DPS and +25% RoF. Let's be charitable and give it a total overall outgoing DPS of +60%. That gives it a total effective turrets of 6.4, compared to the Thorax's 6.25, and it has a higher base speed. Yet, the Thorax gets an MWD cap use bonus and better base stats in everything else, including such niceties as drone bay, hp, and the PG to fit that extra gun. Not to mention the whole not costing LP and having BPOs bit.
So we get to go a little bit faster while being worse at everything else than a freely available tech-1 cruiser? Good going CCP, at least it'll look cool sitting in a hangar. At least the Navy Vexor, while still costing the same as a HAC, has some redeeming qualities.
25% damage increase and 25% rof double the damage. Thus, it's worth 8 turrets not 6.25
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.22 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Toolivus on 22/05/2008 15:45:07
Originally by: Arana Tellen I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns.
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it.
Being faster and lighter, while nice since it will be appreciably faster (though quite what the mass difference equates to after plating it I'm not exactly sure yet), it's not all that useful once you get in web range (which you need to be for blasters). I'm really not sure there is a role for it where it's speed bonuses will shine.
As far as fitting bigger guns goes, it doesn't really open up any setups that are better than a comparable thorax. Mostly because of the huge differences in drone bays. The guns are simply not up to it. Fitted for maximum gank the thorax will put out 594dps (158 from drones) with max skills while the n.exeq will give you 543 (79.2 from drones). The difference gets bigger with skills at level four.
So you have a ship that is faster and lighter in a role where that is not so much of a boon, and has a lower damage/hp ratio in a role where damage/hp is the most important part. If there was a better option would you take it? If that better option was cheaper too would it even be a question?
That said, it's gonna need to be as fast as it can be to catch any of the other new ships, so maybe that'll help push it over the edge.
also, Mothermoon, Arana Tellen's maths is right as far as effective turrets goes. It also gets a little more of a benefit from using more damage mods since it's got a slightly higher effective turret count, not enough to offset the drones though.
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Gaogan
Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.05.22 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
25% damage increase and 25% rof double the damage. Thus, it's worth 8 turrets not 6.25
at least that's why I've always understood they says the ruppy has a double damage bonus.
No, it is called double damage bonus because there are TWO bonuses to damage. 1.25 / 0.75 = 1.66, not 2.
The Navy Exequror needs to keep its 4 med drones... in fact, why not go for 80 m3 bay with 40 gb bandwidth? They added that whole bandwidth thing supposedly so ships could carry spare drones.... how many actually can? 3? With 4 med drones it might actually do as much damage as a thorax but with a bit more speed and the spare drones allow for some versatility.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Rickenbocker Is it just me or is the new Exqueror absolutely PATHETIC? Yes, it looks kinda nice (finally back to its organic-ish skin in classic graphics), but with only 4 turrets its completely outclassed. Fair enough that its tier 1, but the base ship's tank is already lacking so much its sad. Its only saving grace would have been a drone bay, but it doesn't get that (even the OTHER SHIPS get 25m3!).
Thorax - 180m/s, 12,000,000kg N.Exeq - 250m/s, 9,750,000kg
In other words, Navy Exeq is approx 60% faster. It's a nanoship. ...
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 03:20:00 -
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Which is useless for blasters and about 75% meh for rails.
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Ishina Fel
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.23 08:57:00 -
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Oh wow the Navy Omen is pure pimp! I want one now. Even though I'm training for the Zealot.
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Central Research Nexus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Toolivus Which is useless for blasters and about 75% meh for rails.
She's Caldari - she's not expected to understand close-range combat :p ---- WTB Armor Nerf Hardener II, 10^100 isk OBO |
SilverSoldier
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 16:38:00 -
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LMAO at the gallente tears. amarr has lived without an equal tier navy cruiser for ever since theyr out(augoror is tier 1 compared to caracal tier 3) finally we get a good navy ship to pimp around 2 :D.
about the execuror(rightly spelled?), please stop comparing it to a thorax(real tier 4) when its based from a tier 1 ship. the augoror is hardly comparable to a tier 4 faction ship neither.
ofcourse you could try to get it boosted by devs to uber levels by 40 page whining threads. after all that worked in the past didnt it? id rather see people use its stats and make it a uber ship using ingame resources. not outgame forumwarrior style. as i can see it, it could be a cool nanoer. ofc in the end its just a pimping ship.
just my 2 cents, silversoldier
ps: AMARR VICTOR! just to stay in the empyrian age RP style. |
SkyCrane
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSoldier LMAO at the gallente tears. amarr has lived without an equal tier navy cruiser for ever since theyr out(augoror is tier 1 compared to caracal tier 3) finally we get a good navy ship to pimp around 2 :D.
about the execuror(rightly spelled?), please stop comparing it to a thorax(real tier 4) when its based from a tier 1 ship. the augoror is hardly comparable to a tier 4 faction ship neither.
ofcourse you could try to get it boosted by devs to uber levels by 40 page whining threads. after all that worked in the past didnt it? id rather see people use its stats and make it a uber ship using ingame resources. not outgame forumwarrior style. as i can see it, it could be a cool nanoer. ofc in the end its just a pimping ship.
just my 2 cents, silversoldier
ps: AMARR VICTOR! just to stay in the empyrian age RP style.
Just a little additives to this post...
Why should the Exequror be better than the Augoror? I have yet to see anyone actually use the Augoror for something usefull except dust-collector.
Anyhow, looking forward to test the Omen :) ------------------------------------------------
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: SilverSoldier LMAO at the gallente tears. amarr has lived without an equal tier navy cruiser for ever since theyr out(augoror is tier 1 compared to caracal tier 3) finally we get a good navy ship to pimp around 2 :D.
about the execuror(rightly spelled?), please stop comparing it to a thorax(real tier 4) when its based from a tier 1 ship. the augoror is hardly comparable to a tier 4 faction ship neither.
ofcourse you could try to get it boosted by devs to uber levels by 40 page whining threads. after all that worked in the past didnt it? id rather see people use its stats and make it a uber ship using ingame resources. not outgame forumwarrior style. as i can see it, it could be a cool nanoer. ofc in the end its just a pimping ship.
just my 2 cents, silversoldier
ps: AMARR VICTOR! just to stay in the empyrian age RP style.
1) Historical arguments are null and void when it comes to balance. All that matters is how it is now, and how it can be changed. How it was is merely a something you look at to help in the process of getting it right now and in future.
2) Treating different tiers separately won't help balance overall*. What should be balanced are all of the options you have to achieve something (and all the different things you could want to achieve). Having balance between tier one faction cruisers is meaningless if there is another option that is better in every important way. Who would use a n.exeq when a thorax does everything better and cheaper? If something else's stats are just better, no amount of ingame resources will make it more worthwhile.
3) These are not gallente tears so much as balance tears. I haven't really looked at the n.aug since I thought it wasn't changed too much from before and holycrapthatstonsofhp. If I can be bothered I'll take a look and maybe add it to my cause. If it has issues, then that still doesn't change the fact that the exequror has issues.
*I don't believe that tiers in general are a good idea. Everyone has level 4 or 5 in the ship type skill anyway.
Also, I've just looked at something and 300 turret dps at 18+15km could be neat for ganking tackled other things from outside harms way. Maybe using the speed to keep it's distance (NOT orbit, person who's gonna call me out on tracking). I'm not sure this is useful outside a gank situation though. Whatever.
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A PUPPETMASTER
The Galactic Empire Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.23 18:18:00 -
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After reading all the stories about the navy omen I fitted one and guess what, powergrid went out faster than the cap of an abaddon. 5 Heavy Pulse II (and yes I have all matching skills @5) and I could barely fit the Med Armor Rep II not and I'm not even talking about an MWD or AB, without PG Rig it's hard to fit sth decent on that ship. BTW since all Faction ships went into focus again, it would be nice to review the stats of them, since they got "missed" when all ships got that boost...
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:07:00 -
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New Omen looks good, as does new scythe.
New arguror is rather unimpressive, but oh well.
Why oh why is the caracal losing power grid? What is the reasoning behind this?
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: A PUPPETMASTER
BTW since all Faction ships went into focus again, it would be nice to review the stats of them, since they got "missed" when all ships got that boost...
uhm... Ashimmu? halp it please so it doesnt suck.
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: A PUPPETMASTER After reading all the stories about the navy omen I fitted one and guess what, powergrid went out faster than the cap of an abaddon. 5 Heavy Pulse II (and yes I have all matching skills @5) and I could barely fit the Med Armor Rep II not and I'm not even talking about an MWD or AB, without PG Rig it's hard to fit sth decent on that ship. BTW since all Faction ships went into focus again, it would be nice to review the stats of them, since they got "missed" when all ships got that boost...
Try not using the heaviest weapon type available. Powergrid restrictions are there for a reason, you know... ...
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Azuse
The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen I think the N.exeq has a couple of things over the thorax. Its faster and lighter along with the likelyhood to fit bigger guns. Also the 25% damage bonus brings it up to the damage of a thorax and then the ROF bonus is better than the 25% damage bonus the thorax gets..
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.75 = 6.67
Yes it misses out on the drones but the guns are up to it.
Actually rof = 33% so it's;
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.67 = 7.46
As you said though it loses a drone for additional speed, then again faction > ti. Conversely taking such a pricey ship, fitting blasters then flying right at someone hoping they die first seems like reasonable risk .
Looks as if that augor got shafted sideways again too -------------------------
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.05.24 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 24/05/2008 11:30:59
Well, the navy exequror is meh at first glance, but maybe you could do a decent electron/ion with 1600 plate setup with it without reaching excessive mass...
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Actually rof = 33% so it's;
5 turrets X 1.25 = 6.25 4 turrets X 1.25 = 5 / 0.67 = 7.46
Wrong. 25% rof it's 33% dps increase, not 33% rof. It's 4 turrets *1.25=5/0.75= 6.67 ------------------------------------------
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Azuse
The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:02:00 -
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Actually 25% rof = 33% dps so no, it isn't wrong. What's wrong is you telling me .25 x .25, which numerically correct, is not effective turret output when ones bonus is rof. So, .25 x .33 = 7.46 effect turret dps i.e. that's the amount of turrets the thorax would need to equal the damage output not 6.67 though it will never be that precise inside ccps chance to hit formula. The loss of drones reduces that edge further so really that gap isn't as large as it appears.
At least the guns are more cap efficient, it's also got a sig of 108 which is good for a cruiser, although its 1.5k armour is **** compared the the 3K the navy omen has given it's going to be taking a pounding when it's in range. -------------------------
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.25 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse Actually 25% rof = 33% dps so no, it isn't wrong. What's wrong is you telling me .25 x .25, which numerically correct, is not effective turret output when ones bonus is rof. So, .25 x .33 = 7.46 effect turret dps
Did you actually do that bit of maths? 4 * 1.25 / 0.75 = 4 * 1.25 * 1.(3) = 6.(6).
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