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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:44:00 -
[601]
Edited by: Sabrina Treadehugger on 24/05/2008 19:45:33
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
Quote: If the product that CCP produces is so poor and not worth your money,why has this thread produced 20 pages of protest?
This is simple for many of us.
1 We accept to play for 0.45$/day We refuse to play for 0.58$/day So many of us warn CCP that they will; - cancel their account - merge alts in one account
2 We don't like that a company hide their goal and speak to us as if we were jackass. The announce say "we reduce costs". They always avoid to say "for people buying 90d GTC, the overall price is growing around +34%".
3 The extra cash income don't seems to be used for: - reducing lag - solving isk sellers - enhancing game balance
Instead, we have unwanted add-on like: - ambulation - factionnal warfare - some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)
one of the best posts in this thread
i for one am certainly voting with my wallet on this one
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Jernau Riggs
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Posted - 2008.05.24 19:51:00 -
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we could orginise an ingame protest??
How about everyone head to jita at a certain pre agreed time in a t1 frigate and just start attacking each other, that should crash the node nicly and we just do it every day for a week and see if they change their mind...
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Eve Spair
Black Mesa
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:09:00 -
[603]
raising the price is fine. but please keep the different times avaliable. seems kinda foolish to only offer a 60-day card.
(havent read the entire thread so there might have been an answer to my post already)
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Inarr Beck
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:13:00 -
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remember that all kinds of stuffs are going up in price a lot (yes this includes electricity), regardless even of the dollar decline.
then remember that CCP needs to pay its bills too.
then you may chose from several options as to whom or what to curse for this.
Not the message you wanted to hear but the best that can be done under current market circumstances I'm afraid.
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Sabrina Treadehugger
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Posted - 2008.05.24 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Inarr Beck remember that all kinds of stuffs are going up in price a lot (yes this includes electricity), regardless even of the dollar decline.
then remember that CCP needs to pay its bills too.
then you may chose from several options as to whom or what to curse for this.
Not the message you wanted to hear but the best that can be done under current market circumstances I'm afraid.
look a post from a market expert ,oh wait.....
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:05:00 -
[606]
Originally by: Val Vympel Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 13:31:46 Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 12:53:37
Originally by: Julius Kashmir Obviously you missed the lesson of business success, "the customer is always right."
I.E. if you DONT have a customer you don't have a business and the way ccp continues to annoy and **** of it's player base with moves like this and it's mimic of WoW instanced base pvp, it's no wonder EVE hasn't grown to eve a fraction of the fame and height WoW has but EVE has originality and until recent moments has been up there w/ blizzard setting standards and now are regressing and following blizzards footsteps.
It's only a matter of time until players start quitting CCP.
Obviously..It must be true,I am a complete and total ignoramus.
What I am is a 39 year old,semi-retired(at my age that means wealthy)rancher and dairy farmer.
I have run the business my great-grandfather started over 100 years ago..for the past 21 years.
Let me educate you and others.
Success sir,begins and ends with your EMPLOYEES. My family company(and at 300 or so employees CCP is about half again as large as my company)would NOT have been a success for over 100 years if not for the tireless and dedicated hard work of thousands of people over the years.
My job is to insure the economic viability of my company,to insure that my employees have a job to arrive at in the morning so in turn insuring that YOU the customer have a product to buy.
Your money is worth less than the paper it is printed on if you do not have a product to buy with it.Your money is also worthless to me.EMPLOYEES insure that you and others the CUSTOMER(S) have a product to buy that gives your money worth.Now..because of EMPLOYEES your money has worth to me as well.
Take your money to my competitor you might say...Ok!..what makes you think a different and more favorable(for YOU and others) set of market or economic circumstances govern his company?
If the product that CCP produces is so poor and not worth your money,why has this thread produced 20 pages of protest?
If the product is so inferior in your estimation why have you and others not quietly withdrawn and gone elsewhere?
ANSWER: Because you and others believe your money gives you the RIGHT to dictate the terms by which a company governs itself. And you and others obfuscate the fact that you and others really like this product but your collective hubris will not allow you to admit that or quit.
The CUSTOMER is always right?? True....in their own MIND.
Lesson concluded
Good day
lol rant
SKUNK
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:25:00 -
[607]
Originally by: StinkFinger Edited by: StinkFinger on 24/05/2008 18:03:01 ccp wants to stop people from buying a 30 day gtc, training some skills, then setting a long 30+ day skill right before the 30 day gtc expires, and letting the account go inactive, then reactivating the account after the skill finishes with another 30 day gtc and then doing the same thing over again...the way they see it, they're losing out on quite a bit of income.
I keep seeing this. They were going to stop skill training continuing on unpaid accounts some time ago, but were convinced to change their minds. I believe that on EVE China it went through.
These changes don't impact this in any major way. The US customers can sub for $15 one month and leave a skill training during the next without paying, European players can do the same albeit at a higher price.
The primary issues are the removal of options, increase of prices, and pricing inequality between the US and Europe.
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Kurogauna
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:47:00 -
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Quote: This is simple for many of us.
1 We accept to play for 0.45$/day We refuse to play for 0.58$/day So many of us warn CCP that they will; - cancel their account - merge alts in one account
2 We don't like that a company hide their goal and speak to us as if we were jackass. The announce say "we reduce costs". They always avoid to say "for people buying 90d GTC, the overall price is growing around +34%".
3 The extra cash income don't seems to be used for: - reducing lag - solving isk sellers - enhancing game balance
Instead, we have unwanted add-on like: - ambulation - factionnal warfare - some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)
+1 nothing to ad the best post
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Locii
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Posted - 2008.05.24 21:47:00 -
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where did the sticky go on this part of the forum? are ccp hoping we are going to forget now its gone
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Jin'May
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:11:00 -
[610]
On paper it may look like you'll earn more money that way CCP. Your stats sheets and numbers probably tell you so. But there's something your data can't predict : how this change will affect the behaviour of your costumers. And that's something I can give you insight about: I am paying for 4 accounts right now. I pay 1 with credit card and 3 with ISK. If the 30d GTC are removed I'll stop paying for 2 of those accounts.
Make your math now. Tell me whether 60d are such a good day after all?
So for your own sake, if you don't want to lose paid accounts, please don't do it.
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THEGREAT LOBO
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: THEGREAT LOBO on 24/05/2008 22:28:15 You mention being able to buy just 30 days at a time soon with the new payment methods you will be offering. Can you go into more detail on this ? As this would solve any issues i have with this change.
I currently have 4 accounts and sub all of them with 30 day gtc's i buy online. Only with 60 day gtc's i will probably just go down to 3 accounts as i would not like spending that much in a month on a game. And i like the flexibility of 30 days at a time.
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Red Desire
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Val Vympel Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 13:31:46 Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 12:53:37
Obviously..It must be true,I am a complete and total ignoramus.
What I am is a 39 year old,semi-retired(at my age that means wealthy)rancher and dairy farmer.
I have run the business my great-grandfather started over 100 years ago..for the past 21 years.
Ignorant stuff
Yes you are a ignoramus ! Let's pass over your pathetic attempt to show your authority in this subject... 39 rich dude who inherited some business and now is milking cows for fun.
The phrase "the customer is always right.", was not first used by customers. It's suppose to mean a seller attitude towards his buyers, in a fiercely competitive market. Depending of the product you are selling this rule applies in different way... of course if you are manufacturing corks or crapsticks, this could not affect you much.
Your craptastik, manufacturing-employees-crap-money-product-customers lesson, it's a mumbo-jumbo which has not real tangency with the subject at hand... maybe it has in the field your work, eh .. excuse me you worked, now you're milking cows and maturating manure.
There are only 2 rules for any big IT company in the world : - reduce costs - increase profit
In a competitive world, where you are selling a similar product in quality and characteristics as others, you need to take care of your customers. This has changed in the monopolistic IT world we are living.
Now let's talk about MMO business, in short they are selling you the same thing over and over again. The MMO's in general are all based on the same principle, satisfaction on achievement, they need to add new achievements or people would quit. In a normal game(single player) you have one primary achievement, to finish the game, after that 90% of the users never play that game again.
Bases on the satisfaction of achievemnt, we all "work" ingame to reach it, that's why it's hard to quit because you worked (skills,ISK,ships even friends in corp) and didn't get (yet) your satisfaction. Because of this feelings MMOs companies have leverage on their customers.
So in short, they can push the limits and not care about their customers and listen to their corporation policy(read some idiots) of reducing cost&increasing profits(Read India,China&Ambulation,Factionwarefare,GTC price increase) with little fear of loosing money(quiting over lag or just other valid reason).T
This can be a double edge sword, people don't like to be treated like ****, CCP is going downhill, as soon as a company rises with the same characteristics as they used to have people might leave en mass.
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP RyanD
Originally by: skuko
Originally by: CCP RyanD stuff
all right then...if you consider blizzard "de facto standard", why not lower the EU price to 12.99,- ?
please answer this simple question...
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)
To be fair, though, if you DID charge for expansions, you'd have incentive to make sure that expansions actually had something for everyone to get us to buy it.
This expansion has ZERO for me, so if it were there for purchase, you and I know that anyone in an alliance would pass on it.
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Kilhu Emmek
Redshift Industrial
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Welcome
Ambulation? WTF? How on Earth did CCP figure out that what I realy, really want is to play WoW in space? Is it because of all the threads demanding it? Um... are there any threads demanding it?
White Wolf World of Darkness? Yes, I bet this is where our money goes, instead of buying more servers and fatter cables.
I subscribe to the theory (not my own) that ambulation is development for world of darkness. No one playing eve seems to care about ambulation, there was no huge outcry for it, but after CCP merges with White Wolf and announces this werewolf/vampire game (I think there might be one or two other fantasy games on the MMO market, but I'm not sure ... ), all of a sudden we've got this ambulation project. Coincidence?
Only if you're a wereidiot, and lose 100 IQ points by the light of the fail moon.
As many other people have said, FW sounds a bit like a weak lift from WoW, too. Factional battlegrounds where you compete with opposing players for control of areas that don't really grant anything other than faction gains and PvP ranks (complete with insignia! For the Hord--I mean Minmatar!) and increased LP you can redeem for things like epic mounts--I mean ships--with the added "bonus" of denying entry to any player who is currently in an alliance, itself a mechanic CCP has tried to funnel most of their customer base into for the past couple of years, at least. Break their bones!
The decision to raise GTC prices 33-37% (depends on whose math you use) was poorly conceived, poorly planned, and extraordinarily poorly announced. The whole "industry standard" line still has me sitting here thinking "I know I look dumb, but surely not that dumb ..." It's not often I feel personally insulted by a press release, but man, that one was like "hey dummy, check this out!"
I think economic failure in Iceland, the GTC program "wholesale discounts" that resellers are given, the need for additional development funding for a niche game in a clogging MMO market, and a few other factors (increasing hardware/pipe costs as the pound is stronger than the kronor) led to the decision. I think it's gonna backfire pretty catastrophically, if they stay with it.
If I were a GTC reseller, I'd be furious--they're basically cutting their throats with this move. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce the end of the GTC program entirely at some point in the near future (this seems like a veiled attempt to kill it off, really) because it's eating into their profits.
It's stupid to set up a discount arrangement with wholesale suppliers and then try to choke the program off because you're not getting the full retail price of the product sold through the wholesale partner. It may even be illegal. Someone needs to slide the URL for wikipedia's entry on wholesale to the manager responsible for this brilliance.
Well, it's gonna be interesting to fly around Rens and Pator and see one or two people in local, again. Maybe CCP will sell this tired, old game to another company and focus on their new and improved one, World of Warc--I mean Darkness. --
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Squasar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:02:00 -
[615]
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
Instead, we have unwanted add-on like: - ambulation - factionnal warfare - some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)
I'm actually a fan of the FW and the ambulation. Would you rather CCP charge us another 19.99 or up for an updated CD-Key in order for us to play with these expansions? Or would you rather the game stay the same for years upon years and slowly die off?
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:08:00 -
[616]
They chose their model eons ago, with free expansions. To dangle that now as a "zomg look how nice we are we don't make you pay for them like WoW!" in the same breath useing "We're following wow's example on GTC's" is kinda two faced.
The *BEST* solution is to make the billing system charge the same no matter where you live. Reduce the EURO price raise the DOLLAR price, keep GTC's the same dominations and just raise values to match. That's the best solution.
Trying to hide their true intentions behind "industry standards" and to cite Blizzard and WoW as those standards is a slap in the face.
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Kurogauna
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:16:00 -
[617]
Originally by: Val Vympel Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 13:31:46 Edited by: Val Vympel on 24/05/2008 12:53:37
Originally by: Julius Kashmir Obviously you missed the lesson of business success, "the customer is always right."
I.E. if you DONT have a customer you don't have a business and the way ccp continues to annoy and **** of it's player base with moves like this and it's mimic of WoW instanced base pvp, it's no wonder EVE hasn't grown to eve a fraction of the fame and height WoW has but EVE has originality and until recent moments has been up there w/ blizzard setting standards and now are regressing and following blizzards footsteps.
It's only a matter of time until players start quitting CCP.
Obviously..It must be true,I am a complete and total ignoramus.
What I am is a 39 year old,semi-retired(at my age that means wealthy)rancher and dairy farmer.
I have run the business my great-grandfather started over 100 years ago..for the past 21 years.
Let me educate you and others.
Success sir,begins and ends with your EMPLOYEES. My family company(and at 300 or so employees CCP is about half again as large as my company)would NOT have been a success for over 100 years if not for the tireless and dedicated hard work of thousands of people over the years.
My job is to insure the economic viability of my company,to insure that my employees have a job to arrive at in the morning so in turn insuring that YOU the customer have a product to buy.
Your money is worth less than the paper it is printed on if you do not have a product to buy with it.Your money is also worthless to me.EMPLOYEES insure that you and others the CUSTOMER(S) have a product to buy that gives your money worth.Now..because of EMPLOYEES your money has worth to me as well.
Take your money to my competitor you might say...Ok!..what makes you think a different and more favorable(for YOU and others) set of market or economic circumstances govern his company?
If the product that CCP produces is so poor and not worth your money,why has this thread produced 20 pages of protest?
If the product is so inferior in your estimation why have you and others not quietly withdrawn and gone elsewhere?
ANSWER: Because you and others believe your money gives you the RIGHT to dictate the terms by which a company governs itself. And you and others obfuscate the fact that you and others really like this product but your collective hubris will not allow you to admit that or quit.
The CUSTOMER is always right?? True....in their own MIND.
Lesson concluded
Good day
I love you
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Daelin Blackleaf
Naqam Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:44:00 -
[618]
Yearly subscription prices:
USA $131.40/year EUR $207.38/year ETC $209.94/year
Europeans are charged 58% extra, those using ETC's will be charged 60% extra.
If you'll excuse me I have to go apply a cold compress to my ring.
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Originally by: CCP Subscription I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra
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Val Vympel
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:08:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Red Desire There are only 2 rules for any big IT company in the world : - reduce costs - increase profit
In a competitive world, where you are selling a similar product in quality and characteristics as others, you need to take care of your customers.
Hmmm?..let me see...Ah! there it is page 1 of every last Economics 101 textbook since the invention of the printing press. And you thought you were smart.
ALL companies regardless of what industry,operate under these rules,or they don't operate at all and go under.
As for your derisive comments concerning my inheritance. Yes!...I milk cows and...manufacture 100 tons of cheese,ship 1.1 million gallons of milk and bundle and ship 49 box cars of manure...annually(2007).I have done this as the CEO of my company for 21 years.
21 years is allot of time for the success of a company to get by on the laurels of previous generations,especially in the hands of an ignoramus.
Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by hand)
Care to divulge your field of expertise? Perhaps if you do,it will lend some credibility to your position.
Until then...you have presented nothing(aside from your contempt for me and the dairy industry)that any freshman in college could not point to in a textbook.
Did I mention above that I also employ 144 of the finest citizens the U.S. has to offer,sponsor a local little league baseball team and donate cartoned milk to my local school system and give FREE of charge,tons of manure to local farmers. All that and I still turn a profit.
What do you do for your community?
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Mahke
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:12:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Squasar
Originally by: Kaian Voskhod
Instead, we have unwanted add-on like: - ambulation - factionnal warfare - some crazy decisions (wtf, changing the skin of EW frigs ?)
I'm actually a fan of the FW and the ambulation. Would you rather CCP charge us another 19.99 or up for an updated CD-Key in order for us to play with these expansions? Or would you rather the game stay the same for years upon years and slowly die off?
Its clear why non-mandatory expansions cant be applied to EVE. However, keep in mind a) how profitable monthly-pay mmo's are b) that aside from ambulation, none of that stuff requires THAT high amount of resources, and frankly, ambulation would be a terrible waste of developer time and money and server power (want to socialize with a 3d avatar? go back to gaia).
and nothing kills a game faster than price hikes in such a competitive market. Although lets all be honest here -- a LOT of alt accounts will be cancelled, but not many players at all cancelling absolutley.
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xena zena
Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mahke [snip] a LOT of alt accounts will be cancelled, but not many players at all cancelling absolutley.
I've been playing with 3-5 accounts for years now, to suddenly be put in the quandary of not being able to afford them, thus not have them all active, then trying to get by without them, makes me FAR more likely to just throw it all in and play something else.
Everyone after a year or two or more of playing eve has tinkered with the idea of quitting, taken breaks, sometimes long ones. Suddenly making it more expensive to play the way you've been used too , when all your alts and mains are trained to work together.. (for me mining, rorqual pilots, hauler alt, hulks, without all the alts it's far less efficient!)
If I couldn't afford to play with all my alts, I'd seriously consider just packing it in. Time to finally quit. I'm sure there are tons of people like me that can't really conceive of playing anymore if they can't use all their alts.
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rValdez5987
Asylum Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.25 05:58:00 -
[622]
Edited by: rValdez5987 on 25/05/2008 06:01:55
Quote:
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)
This ^
Thats why I play EVE and not WoW... well that and WoW sucks.
As far as playing EVE and the whole alts thing... TBH I barely have enough time to play on one account much less all of my alts. For me, Ive found that just simply taking a week or two aside to train up an industry alt or miner to just basic levels saves you the hassle of running another account.
Then again, the reason I play eve is for pvp, and I dont mind grinding missions about 4-6 days a month to fund said pvp... My views and opinions are my own.
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Ataraxa
Trolltech Research Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:25:00 -
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So does anybody know yet what will happen on the 15th of June?
Will they deny 30/90d codes henceforth that we bought already (maybe in anticipation of this move) ?
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AlphaViscera
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:39:00 -
[624]
This is the worst idea ever.
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Tomblinu
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:43:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Yearly subscription prices:
USA $131.40/year EUR $207.38/year ETC $209.94/year
Europeans are charged 58% extra, those using ETC's will be charged 60% extra.
Seeing the numbers like this makes it look more like the prices for the USA are the exception, that the price in the USA is a rich 37% discount. Maybe everyone else should stop subsidizing the USA, and prices should be more like:
USA $185/year EUR $185/year ETC $185/year
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.05.25 06:59:00 -
[626]
Originally by: CCP RyanD
Originally by: skuko
Originally by: CCP RyanD stuff
all right then...if you consider blizzard "de facto standard", why not lower the EU price to 12.99,- ?
please answer this simple question...
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)
an option for a 1 year GTC would be great. obviously with the oppertunity for the player to save some $ in the process... i for one will play eve for years to come... i am willin gto pay it... and think of the FERE money you guys would get for people who play for 6 months and quit (for whatever reasons) ... you still got 6 months of their $ _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
The macdaddy
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:13:00 -
[627]
Originally by: Val Vympel
Originally by: Red Desire There are only 2 rules for any big IT company in the world : - reduce costs - increase profit
In a competitive world, where you are selling a similar product in quality and characteristics as others, you need to take care of your customers.
Hmmm?..let me see...Ah! there it is page 1 of every last Economics 101 textbook since the invention of the printing press. And you thought you were smart.
ALL companies regardless of what industry,operate under these rules,or they don't operate at all and go under.
As for your derisive comments concerning my inheritance. Yes!...I milk cows and...manufacture 100 tons of cheese,ship 1.1 million gallons of milk and bundle and ship 49 box cars of manure...annually(2007).I have done this as the CEO of my company for 21 years.
21 years is allot of time for the success of a company to get by on the laurels of previous generations,especially in the hands of an ignoramus.
Next you will tell me cattle feed is free.(not to mention all the high-tech equipment that goes into modern dairy farming...or I assume you think we still milk by hand)
Care to divulge your field of expertise? Perhaps if you do,it will lend some credibility to your position.
Until then...you have presented nothing(aside from your contempt for me and the dairy industry)that any freshman in college could not point to in a textbook.
Did I mention above that I also employ 144 of the finest citizens the U.S. has to offer,sponsor a local little league baseball team and donate cartoned milk to my local school system and give FREE of charge,tons of manure to local farmers. All that and I still turn a profit.
What do you do for your community?
Dude.... you run a farm it doesnt make you donald trump
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Teliot Rebburcs
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Teliot Rebburcs on 25/05/2008 07:51:56
Originally by: CCP RyanD
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)
What a crock of SH*T. This is one of the most disgusting comments I've heard from CCP. You know what would happen if you charged for an expansion.. you would lose every player who didn't want to spend the extra cash to line your pockets with.
How many players do you actually think would stick around if they kept getting pwned in null and low sec by a tier4 BS, kept getting undercut selling mins because of a "super barge" mining twice the amount of their Hulk, or not being able to access parts of the universe and special agents, simply because they didn't want to spend more money?
You then could start comparing yourself to Blizzard and the "Industry standard" and enlist the millions of WoW players to purchase your buggy ass expansions.
As an afterthought you would then lose those players due to the ridiculous lag while they were "raiding".
/me runs off to vomit
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Wren Alterana
The Baros Syndicate Kissaki Republic
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Posted - 2008.05.25 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Teliot Rebburcs Edited by: Teliot Rebburcs on 25/05/2008 07:51:56
Originally by: CCP RyanD
Because we don't think we'd get more subscribers at a lower price at this time, and we don't base our pricing model on Blizzards' model. That's why we don't charge you for our bi-yearly expansions (which amounts to about $10 million a year in revenue we don't earn, that you keep as a benefit of our policies.)
What a crock of SH*T. This is one of the most disgusting comments I've heard from CCP. You know what would happen if you charged for an expansion.. you would lose every player who didn't want to spend the extra cash to line your pockets with.
How many players do you actually think would stick around if they kept getting pwned in null and low sec by a tier4 BS, kept getting undercut selling mins because of a "super barge" mining twice the amount of their Hulk, or not being able to access parts of the universe and special agents, simply because they didn't want to spend more money?
You then could start comparing yourself to Blizzard and the "Industry standard" and enlist the millions of WoW players to purchase your buggy ass expansions.
As an afterthought you would then lose those players due to the ridiculous lag while they were "raiding".
/me runs off to vomit
uh dude, he was pretty much saying that they DON'T do that. Chill out. _______
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Ballistic CEO
The Ballistic Corporation
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so i assume someone at CCP did a:
If this many players and alts quit, but we raise prices this much, heres how much we will have. I submit that whoever did those sums was dead wrong.
However I feel, in summary, that there are several major pertinent points in this thread:
(1) stop Europe subsidising the US. (2) Be more honest when you raise your price. 90% of the people posting here have stated they would happily pay more. (3) Keep 30 and 90 day options at the new higher price HOWEVER find a way to stop character skills training on un-subscribed accounts.
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