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Yue Xiang
Caldari Onirvura Scientific
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Posted - 2008.06.28 11:15:00 -
[841]
im going to eventually pull my 3 accounts the way things are going, so is my friend.. =/ probably will be forced to quit eve |
Par'Gellen
Gallente Tres Hombres
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Posted - 2008.06.28 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Par''Gellen on 28/06/2008 12:21:13 Removing 30 and 90 day GTCs is probably hands-down the single dumbest thing I've ever seen CCP do and I've been here for a long long time and seen them do some pretty amazingly dumb things...
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Laciter
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sylthi Edited by: Sylthi on 26/06/2008 07:54:29
Originally by: Jolliejoe
Originally by: Sylthi OK, so CCP is PUNISHING people in the US for using GTC and/or not having a CC to pay for their game time?
Not sure if you realize this since you seem to be only talking on behalf of US players, we here in europe already pay wayyyy more than you ever did... Might want to take that into consideration in your US only rant.
My Ç 0.01
Uhm, so? No, I don't think I need to take that into consideration. What does prices in Europe have to do with my being miffed over the prices going up in the US? You say you pay more where you live than we do in the US. Again, so what? If you think you are paying too much, take it up with CCP. If you are upset about the VAT (if you have to deal with that) go bother the proper government officials or start a revolution (to get out from under unfair taxes) like we did. If you are tired of paying too much: quit the game. If you think there is nothing wrong with the amount you are paying to play Eve, and THAT is why you have no sympathy for the US players' rates going up, then I just plain feel sorry for you; because CCP is raping you and you have learned to like it.
The fact of the matter is that 17.49 a month is ABOVE what the average US gamer will pay for a month of an MMO. TONS of market research has been done by very reputable organizations that back that fact up. Google search it. I found 12 articles on the subject, without even trying that hard, that prove my point.
What I was trying to do with my post was warn CCP that if they are taking their overall prices in that direction, they were likely going to get a nasty surprise from the bulk of their US customer base. I feel strongly that main point of mine still stands.
That said, the bottom line on your comparing our monthly rates is: just because YOU choose to pay way too much for Eve doesn't mean that I have to. Or, that I have to be happy about the price of Eve in the US getting closer to what you pay; regardless of where that puts the USD in the grand scale of world currency strength.
Anyway, that was me ranting at a wall for all the people at CCP who are actually going to listen.
Ranting more at CCP than you mate. No personal harshness intended. Cheers.
eh, I am betting most other MMO's will follow suit soon enough. It's just a fact of the declining value of the dollar and the resultant inflation. Gas prices and food prices are going up worldwide, no doubt employees are demanding more in every sector, resulting in great overhead, resulting in higher prices being passed on to consumers. The problem I see isn't with a $2.50 a month increase, its the fact that EVE designed their game to earn extra revenue and inflate their "subscriber" base by pushing people to get 2nd and 3rd accounts to experience other facets of the game efficiently. A lot of the suckers who fell for this scheme will start to wake up when they see how big their bills are, when they realize there are much fewer GTC for Isk trades available, and fewer will be roped into it, thus losing CCPs overall revenue siginificantly. |
astowv
Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: astowv on 28/06/2008 14:36:48 Teh Dollar
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Tobias Lee
Orb Union
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Posted - 2008.06.28 15:33:00 -
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As a five year eve player currently using gtc i aint gonna whine about the price. what concerns me is the sinister bigger picture. Has ccp looked at the hardware and said well the technology is not there to run the game so lets price hike the gtc we wont lose money and we will cull the player base a little and hey presto less server demand. If the money is going to be used to improve the server then an announcement might b nice ;)
My second concern is that they have looked at the life cycle of an mmporpg and realised that eves over halfway or maybe even nearing the end of its cycle? so maybe they want to milk the cash cow alittle more while they can.
EVE is unique, really theres no other space online rpg that i know of atm that rivals it maybe ccp is worried the competion might release a new game?
and yeah tbh i stopping paying for one of my accounts after i wrote a pettion and got quite a rude response from the gm dealing with my pettion after making me wait nearly 30 days.
Hopefully ambulation will b in soon maybe with a secret load of new features we didnt foresee. |
Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2008.06.28 16:18:00 -
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As a low income player who buys cards from the local Sci Fi book shop, this kinda sucks. Its already hard to justify the costs between rent and food and the like. |
SiJira
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:16:00 -
[847]
if you were going to play this game for any significant amount of time you would be prepared to pay 20 gbp a month Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Titas Agor
TITANS OF PEACE
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:42:00 -
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This could potentially be a disarster for me... as a carebare player i dont make huge ammounts of isks like the major alliances do, the price of GTC has gone up to like 150-200% since this damn change... i cannot make over 400mil every 2 months, im not playing the game 24/7 and to be perfectly honnest, the "average" player wont be able to make that kinda isk either, i can tell ya that right now..
Getting rid of the options to pay monthly or for several months at a time is absolutely rediculas! When majority of every other MMO has at least! a 30day subscription fee... Taking away options limiting players is completely mind numbing descision even tho as a dev has posted previously about goverment changes, fraud and CC exploits, never ending changes they hav to make to the billing, well, im sorry to be mean, but so freakin what? so does every other company in the world, jus deal with it... Raising the monthly costs by 30-35% and the GTC are so much now, only alliance players can afford to by them, has really screwed a lot of ppl up not just me....
I stoped using a credit card to pay for eve after every single time they had to change something or "upgrade" their billing system, my credit card wouldn't be accepted and took them 6 weeks to fix my problem while my char was not training for 6 weeks... i got so tired of that i moved to using GTC now this has really screwed me up royaly...
Im only 1 player, but im gonna find it very difficult to play now, i love eve, loved it ever since i first saw it and played it, but im not gonna be able to play every month now because of this change... On a tight budget as it is irl anyway, paying monthly was my way of being able to play it so long as i had the money when i was using a CC which i can no longer do, my options and very limited now as will my playing time will be.....
an example, fellow eve mate is not alloud by his parents to use a CC or real money to pay for this game, he has to use in game isk in order to get timecards.... he will no longer be able to do this.....
bad freaking move CCP... and i wont be the only one that wont be paying or playing month to month now....
thanks a bunch.....
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Pardack
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:09:00 -
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Time will tell.
If CCP's ETC/GTC numbers drop significantly, you'll hear a change of tune. "To satisfy user demand, we are re-introducing the 30 day gtc at XX.XX price."
The reason CCP doesn't want to do this is two-fold (or more).
1. Since they've raised prices overall on ETC/GTC, they would have to introduce a 30-day GTC that is in line with current pricing. This however will officially make them the most expensive MMO for 30 days of playtime for etc/gtcs. Not a great distinction to have in the MMO business.
2. Due to #1, CCP's options are limited. If they introduce a 30-day etc/gtc that's equivalent in price (or lower to keep in line with 'industry standards') to the 60-day etc/gtc, the 60-day etc/gtc becomes obsolete. So they'll have to re-do their entire etc/gtc pricing scheme, again. Something I'm sure CCP doesn't want to do again so soon.
Pricing issues are serious business. You can bet that if you see more etc/gtc options introduced or pricing changes in the next 6-12 months, it's due to a direct revenue loss on CCP's end from the recent changes (i.e. they shot themselves in the foot).
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Prometheus Exenthal
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 04:19:00 -
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CCP has effectively cut my play time in half. Find something else to line your bloody wallets.
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 04:38:00 -
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And now for a bit of positive outlook.
Since this change and the doubling in the price of GTCs I'm down to 1 account from 3. And I'm having 1337% more fun as a result, eve is no longer a second job for me.
Fewer alts, less metagaming, less crowded servers, smaller blobs - this is a GOOD thing for all involved. There would have to be a 50% reduction (or more) in GTC funded accounts before this change has a negative impact on the bottom line for our favorite MMO company.
So overall -- great change. At least two thumbs up.
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corElement
hirr
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Posted - 2008.07.06 06:47:00 -
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bring 30 and 90 day gtc's back to what prices they were please. You cant do this ccp.
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Shraki
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Posted - 2008.07.13 13:26:00 -
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that's economics for you? why do europeans have to pay 15Ç compared to 15$? because we can. (actually answer.. because its beneficial to not paying for expansions so shut up and dont whine about the money difference, we suck you europeans dry in order for the americans to pay less.)
if you do not want us to buy gtc's give us a fair price compared to the rest of the world, numbnutz.
life in belgium is already rediculous expensive compared to the rest of europe. no not because of tax, BECAUSE THEY CAN.
<insert explitive cussing here>
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Marconus Orion
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Mac Maniac I am seriously considering closing my 2nd account and from what I am hearing from my corpmates; many of them as well. CCP you are heading in entirely the WRONG direction.
Well, nice to see a positive impact because of this.
If you and your buddies are quiting because of this then I strongly support this move by CCP.
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Bak Vlok
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Posted - 2008.07.13 15:45:00 -
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Totally. Could we please have a few more ragequits by multiple accounts who have too much time, want to get around the teamplay or monopolize business. It's very delightful
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP RyanD Edited by: CCP RyanD on 23/05/2008 23:43:23
Originally by: Val Vympel
A professional and "sober" company spokesperson and PR expert(preferably at least 35 years of age) would IMO be a splendid addition to the CCP payroll.
Hi, I'll be 40 in October. Wrangler works for me. (And he doesn't write many of the news items that get posted, he just posts them. He didn't write this one, for example. You're taking shots at the wrong guy in this case.)
Normally I would not post on a thread like this but we're going into the weekend and I thought a little clarity might be useful.
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We prefer that our customers use our direct-bill services for a number of reasons. The most important is that using that system allows us to collect the full price of the subscriptions. Our Time Code systems use a reseller network, and they receive a discount from the suggested price of the Time Codes when they purchase them in bulk This discount is how they make a profit selling the codes to the public, but it means that Time Codes are a less profitable way for us to do business with our customers.
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Thanks for listening.
Can you explain one thing to me? I run (used to run) 7 accounts and used to pay with ISK for all of them, mostly by using 30 day GTCs. I could pay for no more than one with real money, but lately I am not keen on doing it, as this game still needs fixes on stuff that bugs me since couple of years. So how eventually paying you the subscription for 1 account each month with credit card (and hopefully debit card one day) is more profitable for you then paying for 7 accounts with ISK given to other ppl who actually bought those 7 GTCs? Even with the whatever discount you give to the GTC resellers it is at least 6 time more then what you are going to get from me now.
Now I am down to 2 accounts, I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them. Which is exactly no revenue for you at all from me. And all this because of this ETC change.
Care to explain how this is more profitable for you?
From what I read on the forums there are way too much people like me so I am pretty sure in less then two months you will lose a lot of accounts and money.
I used to provide a lot of public services to the eve community, and they will be gone when I leave. This is going to upset a lot of people. I will point them to your financial planning department for reimbursement.
And please do get me started on the cost of expansions and adding new content. Whatever the cost is, this keeps you in business. No expansions and new content = no new players and old players leaving = CCP out of business. So the money spend on expansions (which CCP owners might see as loss for their pockets) ae actually an investment which guarantees that CCP will get more money in the future.
Thanks for listening.
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Born Slave
Minmatar Pisces Formidilosi
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Posted - 2008.07.15 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blazing Fire
... I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them.
Your stuff sir.. Ah, you know the rest
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Aurix Lexico
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:06:00 -
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No, me, give your stuff to.
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Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blazing Fire
Now I am down to 2 accounts, I am almost 100% sure that when they expire I will not renew them. Which is exactly no revenue for you at all from me. And all this because of this ETC change.
If it was 'profitable' to run those 7 with 30d codes then switching to 60d ones is not significant price increase as higher end 30d ones were going for near 200 mil and 60d ones are going for approx 400 mil.
Now if you mean by running 7 of them with timecodes the regular buy code, train, set long skill & expire. Then on average you would have been active at once in 3 .. 4 accounts. Thats not exactly running 7 accounts you know. If you 'need' those accounts (or can make isk with them in any sigificant manner) then you can afford to run them with GTC's still, if not .. well .. 30d codes made character 'farming' too easy anyway.
I run my alts with clear understanding what amount of isk they cost me per month and from time to time evaluate if my 'main' char would have more isk without running them. I will be cutting down from 4 to 3 accounts in approx 4 months, but I did not need that 4th anyway, timecodes were just so cheap (with 30 d code, train, expire, etc) that 4th was more like 'hell, why not'. Those 2 'other' remaining accounts will be able to still maintain themselves, as I use them to make more isk per hour and were almost always active before this change anyway.
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:39:00 -
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I used to run my 7 accounts almost all of the time. Definitely not for character farming. I do PvP, manufacture, invent, run POSes, do some alliance politics and trade in large scale. So no character farming.
With 30day GTCs it was easy for me to get 7x180m (1 260 000) ISK month. Now I have to get 7x400 each two months, (2 800 000 ISK), which is 1 400 000 ISK/month. Not much more expensive, but what this mean is that I have to spend more time grinding ISK. Also I have to buy skills, ships, and invest ISK in my ingame business. You probably don't have an idea how much ISK is that.
And because you can't have one "do it all" character, you have to have multiple chars to be able to experience most of the things EVE offers in a reasonable time.
And what I rant about is not the price increase, but the loss of convenience with the 30 and 90 day cards, that's all.
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Ralle030583
Gallente The Wild Hunt Pure.
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Posted - 2008.07.15 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Blazing Fire
With 30day GTCs it was easy for me to get 7x180m (1 260 000) ISK month. Now I have to get 7x400 each two months, (2 800 000 ISK), which is 1 400 000 ISK/month. Not much more expensive, but what this mean is that I have to spend more time grinding ISK. Also I have to buy skills, ships, and invest ISK in my ingame business. You probably don't have an idea how much ISK is that. ...
i dont know that 140mio isk more are made in a day for you with 7 accs i think even faster, so where is the point? are you whining cause of one more day a month more work? --------------------------------------- You need a free Killboard? check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net
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Corrock
Minmatar SUBLIME L.L.C. SUBLIME CREATIONS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.07.30 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Jacob Marden Unless I read the CSM election results wrong, it states that almost 40% of the subscription base is North American. Making that much of your playerbase pay more money essentially because the smaller percentage of Euros are evading their own countries' taxes by buying with dollars doesn't strike me as making much sense. The NA people are going to be making the same amount of income regardless, so increasing the cost of their entertainment will just alienate more of them and sooner or later they'll talk with their money.
When you guys are paying the same as the rest of us you'd have something to complain about.
Until then shove it up your arse.
Yeah, the thing with exchange rates is that when a currency drops in value against other currencies, things become more expensive, not less. The overall buying power of the currency in its native country is reduced, and everything in general now costs more. Try to at least glance at an Econ 101 text once in awhile.
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medea betencore
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.07.31 07:29:00 -
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I had been paying for 3 accounts with ISK because I can not afford to pay in cash. Prior to this change it was never too tough to come up with 160-180m isk to turn an account back on for 30 days. The sticker shock of a 400m+ GTC is too much, yes its only 20-40m more per month, but not only am I paying more, I'm being forced to buy more.
I wanted to buy a couple onions to toss into a stew....Now I am required to pay more, and buy a ten pound bag of onions.
This isnt a threat, but I dont make enough per month for 3 accounts. I automatically lose 1 of my 3. Thats one account you were getting paid for that your not now. Having it on as a convinence will no longer happen, I'll only turn it on if I have dire need for it (and I dont see that happening).
My ISK-Income didnt go up, but my cost of living just did. I cant pay for this price increase, so I have to cut *something* to keep going, hence 1 of 3 accounts are expired and I can not purchase a GTC for it. I can come up with 160-180m, but that isnt an option availible anymore.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:32:00 -
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this sundays 39 thousand were very angry about this Trashed sig, Shark was here |
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