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Syberbolt8
Gallente Knights of Kador Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.10.07 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: TexasWARlord
Originally by: Jinx Barker The idea has been around since 2006... it is 2009, so, I guess 4 years is OK for CCP to actually ignore the community.
CSM, thus far, has been as useful as mammaries on the bull when it comes to proper POS overhaul.
I agree CCP has not adressed this matter and should with the growing support of its paying customers...
However I tend to think they have put the CSM mechanic into place to have fair representation of the players.
Lets try not to muck up the water with critisism of the CSM roles just yet, the system is fairly new and seems to have some momentum as well as a few bugs to work out.
To me being a CSM is like having the job of a prober in a worm space corp...
Its a thankless job that gets critisized often, has tons of time and energy invested and no matter what or how you do it someone always has something negative to say or a better way to get the job done...
But yet that same someone with the big mouth is all to often the one who does the least to help the overall cause and the first to hide when its time to knuckle down and do the tedious ground work...
And campaigning for a pilot for CSM has a different place my well intentioned friend !
Try to keep this topic clear, consise, focused and thriving with genuine input.
THAT will get the attention of those that make the decisions.
Rambling, flaming, bantering and soap boxing for a CSM candidacy simply gives those that wish to read this thread and digest its content more crap to wade through and detracts from the impact and serious consideration it should get.
Treat the topic like your favorite vessel and tweak it to the point it makes a impact and is noticable.
Support those few men and women who have given their time, effort and thick skins to present such ideas a chance to do their job and feel good about doing it rather than shoot them down at each opportunity.
Like I tell my corp and alliance members if you can do the job better, step up to the plate show your stuff (basicly put up or shut up)
If your not part of the solution then better to stay silent rather than add to the problem.
While I agree most of what you said, keep in mind, not everyone is able to take time away from there RL and fly to Iceland, or go to meetings every week about a video game.
In addition to that, the CSM considers this issue already brought up, and I as well as many others disagree with that, it was a poor job, they misrepresented the idea, and made it look like a joke, not worth 10 min of there time. It never even made it, officially to the table, as it was "already discussed" and "there was no point in talking about it" as such, the CSM has failed on this topic, and until that changes, or I am in a position to signup for the CSM and support this idea myself, I'm going to lobby for it.
Sure you can sit there and say you do the job, and see how it gos for you, but end of day, the real world knocks and bread and butter come before anything else. Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Helle Acoma
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Posted - 2009.10.07 12:20:00 -
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yup
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Patapoff
7th Sense Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2009.10.09 08:32:00 -
[693]
/Signed
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Crimsoneer
Knowledge Stick Station
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Posted - 2009.10.09 10:17:00 -
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So awesome. ---------------------------------------
Pods and Pills, a low sec blog |
Saju Somtaaw
Gallente Diiamond Heavy Industries MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.11 02:17:00 -
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I think its time to break out the man eating Furriers... ---- --- ---
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TexasWARlord
North Domain Defense Forces
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Posted - 2009.10.11 12:10:00 -
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Quote: While I agree most of what you said, keep in mind, not everyone is able to take time away from there RL and fly to Iceland, or go to meetings every week about a video game.
I think you misunderstood, my point was to stay involved (here on the forum) and keep it constructive.
If each person who "EVER" signed this drops by once a week and catches up, tweaks a few concepts and makes a constructive suggestion... It will stay on top, it will be reflected by the huge amount of posts to the thread and CCP will feel the pressure to re-examine the concept.
Quote: In addition to that, the CSM considers this issue already brought up, and I as well as many others disagree with that, it was a poor job, they misrepresented the idea, and made it look like a joke, not worth 10 min of there time. It never even made it, officially to the table, as it was "already discussed" and "there was no point in talking about it" as such, the CSM has failed on this topic, and until that changes, or I am in a position to signup for the CSM and support this idea myself, I'm going to lobby for it.
Personaly I applaud your efforts and the efforts of all that have contributed to the concept "topic" as well as those who have tried to refine it to a acceptable proposal...
My comments regarding Knocking CSM's, campaining in the thread for a CSM job or irrelavant and useless commentary was in no way pointed at you. I am simply trying to drive home the point that...
IF the CSM who origionaly pitched the idea dropped the ball and didnt drive the concept home properly, didnt follow up, didnt make proper notes then lets not associate that persons shortcomings with the whole CSM project or people currently doing the job. Support those doing their best and if anything assist them.
ANY proposal submitted in albeit RL or in this GAME should be tweaked and brainstormed. (I think most of that has been done)
Formated in a way that highlights the advantages of the change, the downside if any and how to minimize that downside making implementation smoother and transition to the new system as as painless as possible.
THEN, document the support and if need be call for every pilot who wants to see this implemented to submit a petition or direct mail the development team...
A cut and paste support statement and request for change could be posted and easily pasted to the petition box and sent in a matter of minutes. The real issue here is to be heard and stressed that as a paying customer you (WE) feel the matter was not properly addressed and the community wants it to be looked at a second time.
PETITIONING is a valid and constructive means to getting those that represent you to listen. The trick is when they do then its essential you have it properly formulated and laid out in easy to understand concept, implementation and support.
Quote: Sure you can sit there and say you do the job, and see how it gos for you, but end of day, the real world knocks and bread and butter come before anything else.
I have no desire to be a CSM or representative (As I stated its a thankless whipping boy position) however that said I would volunteer to spend the time "ON THIS IDEA" If the current CSM, you or anyone with a ear to CCP will run with it... "I as I am sure many would sit down and write a serious proposal."
IF those supporting this can put aside childish remarks, knocking CSM's for doing their best and contribute by editing the proposal with constructive and workable ideas a finished product could be presented and then a mass petition organised filed or mailed to show the overwhelming support that this concept has.
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Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. United Corporate Ventures
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Posted - 2009.10.11 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tipz NexAstrum on 11/10/2009 23:14:21 From the '09 keynote:
Originally by: CCP Hellmar In August we shifted themes again, and now we have shifted over to excellence. So more production was about doing more, more features, more output. Now we will see CCP and EVE work more on refining and doing fewer things but do them really well. So you can expect alot of the existing things in EVE to be improved. You've already seen we're doing the mail system, totally from scratch. Again because I mean even though it's there it needs to be refined and put into excellence.
This mindset needs to be applied to POS's current implementation. This idea fundamentally improves the game experience, instead of anchoring a blob of mods it changes to building a starbase.
Also, I find it funny that had CCP actually investigated this idea when it was first posted, instead of saying "too tough, not going to try", they might have even found the Ferrogel POS exploit.
Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.
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BOTS Mk1
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Posted - 2009.10.13 23:26:00 -
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Automated response to move topic to the front page.
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Brutalis Furia
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.10.14 03:59:00 -
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This would be a MASSIVE improvement.
/signed
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.10.14 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Ruin I hope this silliness gets fixed. I'm sick of slow-boating all around the POS, wondering all the while, "Why would anyone in their right mind put these so far apart?"
I supported it almost exactly a year ago, and I'll support it again.
It's frustrated that it still hasn't been taken seriously by CCP.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente Knights of Kador Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.10.17 14:26:00 -
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first page again. voice your support people :) Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Smithers Jones
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:15:00 -
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Concerning POS Fueling requirements.
With the advent of dominion and sovereignty changes I would like to suggest a change to the way POS' are fueled.
Rather than having to gather all the required resources. I'd like to see the creation of a new POS Battery to replace all of the components required. Allow the pos battery to be manufactured (create a BPO) and put it on a timer such as 30, 60, 90 days. This should significantly reduce the number of calculations performed on every POS on every moon in EVE and allow for better logistical support of an alliance, corporation, or individual tower.
A secondary battery called a reinforcement battery could replace stront and stront timers in 6, 12, 18, 24 hour increments allowing multiple reinforcement batteries to be installed on a tower.
For tower mods and armament either leave the hvy water/liquid ozone required or change these mods to use cpu and power as part of the POS Battery.
Cheers
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Toleroto
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Posted - 2009.10.18 20:26:00 -
[703]
signed |
Syberbolt8
Gallente Knights of Kador Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.10.19 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Smithers Jones Concerning POS Fueling requirements.
With the advent of dominion and sovereignty changes I would like to suggest a change to the way POS' are fueled.
Rather than having to gather all the required resources. I'd like to see the creation of a new POS Battery to replace all of the components required. Allow the pos battery to be manufactured (create a BPO) and put it on a timer such as 30, 60, 90 days. This should significantly reduce the number of calculations performed on every POS on every moon in EVE and allow for better logistical support of an alliance, corporation, or individual tower.
A secondary battery called a reinforcement battery could replace stront and stront timers in 6, 12, 18, 24 hour increments allowing multiple reinforcement batteries to be installed on a tower.
For tower mods and armament either leave the hvy water/liquid ozone required or change these mods to use cpu and power as part of the POS Battery.
Cheers
This would be a great addition to pos's, may I suggest you start a thread about this so it gets the support it deserves? Support the DEAD HORSE POS's |
Mr DurkaDur
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:25:00 -
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/signed
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Isoceth
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Posted - 2009.10.21 09:29:00 -
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Dwight Thomas
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Posted - 2009.10.21 09:30:00 -
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.10.21 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kenpachi Viktor on 21/10/2009 12:26:28 This is a voting issue for me. Agree to bring this to CCP, you get my vote ===============
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Lyan Xienjon
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Posted - 2009.10.21 13:59:00 -
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Finally, what PoS's should have looked like from the start.
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Raeni Le'sex
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.10.21 15:42:00 -
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/signed, for the love of god make pos better.
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Lexa Darkk
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Posted - 2009.10.22 14:45:00 -
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YES!! Back to the top BTW |
BennyBoo
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:05:00 -
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/sig'd this would be sweet.
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BeanBagKing
The Keepers of JewGold Gypsy Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 23/10/2009 19:41:42 Page 19
Originally by: Zastrow J When I go face to face with CCP later this year you can be sure that I will share some choice words about POS with them
Anyone know if this guy held up his word?
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Jorgun Beta
Caldari Wrong Indeed
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Posted - 2009.10.24 05:16:00 -
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/signed. POS's were my favourite part of EVE..... until I saw one
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.24 14:02:00 -
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SiSi models of the infrastructure hubs indicate that the new infrastructure hubs may be using this idea. (not comfirmed, source: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30057&start=0 )
Again, it is not a bad idea, but converting all the existing POSes to this system would require a huge amount of work for only a limited (mostly visual) benefit. However, if CCP did indeed use this idea for the new infrastructure hubs (which they should, and I hope they have), they could design the system from the start to keep this in mind which would reduce a lot of the workload.
Director of Education :: EVE University Chairman of the CSM
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Ithaki
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.10.24 15:41:00 -
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Brilliant idea implement this during the next big pos overhaul !!!!!!! /supported Ohnooos, the horror....... |
Saju Somtaaw
Gallente Diiamond Heavy Industries MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.25 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal SiSi models of the infrastructure hubs indicate that the new infrastructure hubs may be using this idea. (not comfirmed, source: http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=30057&start=0 )
Again, it is not a bad idea, but converting all the existing POSes to this system would require a huge amount of work for only a limited (mostly visual) benefit. However, if CCP did indeed use this idea for the new infrastructure hubs (which they should, and I hope they have), they could design the system from the start to keep this in mind which would reduce a lot of the workload.
Or what they could do is unseed the old ones, and seed the new ones, so they will get gradually replaced by attrition alone as the old ones are popped, or manually replaced to get the benefits visual or otherwise from the new ones.
And I'm still supporting this topic :) . ---- --- ---
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.10.25 19:21:00 -
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What number of CSM are we on now? This has been going on for how long?
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Bruner Sabaton
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:34:00 -
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OMG
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Gray Sable
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Posted - 2009.10.30 16:49:00 -
[720]
Moving to the first page from page 3. I support this.
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