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gordon861
PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:07:00 -
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So when are CCP going to open up the CSM for a few permanent members(like UN security council) that seem to spend all their time working for the good of the game ?
Might help bring some stability to the thing.
Here's my vote for Chribba !
Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donĘt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
gordon861
PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:07:00 -
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So when are CCP going to open up the CSM for a few permanent members(like UN security council) that seem to spend all their time working for the good of the game ?
Might help bring some stability to the thing.
Here's my vote for Chribba !
Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donĘt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216 San Matari.
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Posted - 2008.05.23 11:39:00 -
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No living entity should be granted something 'permanent', because attributes of living entities cannot be guarranteed to be 'permanent'.
Example: I want this lovely flower to permanently adorn my dining table. Two weeks later it may wilt and thus require replacement.
Lots of better examples exist.
Before you decide to give some kind of counter-argument to this, I advise you try pouring some water over it to see if any is held.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:07:00 -
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The threat of losing their seat in the next election cycle is a prime example of why this is a bad idea.
Give them a free ride, and they'll be tempted to slack off.
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Yorda
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:15:00 -
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I believe he's more referring to people working all year round on the CSM, and not to people always being on the CSM.
Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.23 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil The threat of losing their seat in the next election cycle is a prime example of why this is a bad idea.
Give them a free ride, and they'll be tempted to slack off.
But since people can only serve one term anyway, they already effectively have a free ride.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Piitaq
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: gordon861 So when are CCP going to open up the CSM for a few permanent members(like UN security council) that seem to spend all their time working for the good of the game ?
Might help bring some stability to the thing.
Here's my vote for Chribba !
United nations is an assembly of countries not specific people.
I think it could be a cool idea, that the five biggest alliances could pick one member each for the CSM, and the rest got voted in by popular vote. (Im not sure if this is what you meant, so sorry if Im hijacking your thread or changing the point of it somehow)
I think it would also be a good idea that one CCP rep, was permanently attached to the CSM as a point of contact or a permanent member of some sort.
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Mr Toril
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:43:00 -
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And why not give them a veto to and let them mess up the council as the 5 permenat states does in UN. No thanks
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.23 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yorda I believe he's more referring to people working all year round on the CSM, and not to people always being on the CSM.
They have that. He works for CCP. His name is Xhagen.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.05.23 15:37:00 -
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I think that the CSM members should come from the playerbase and be in touch with the gameplay and the players. If we open up to some form of career politician or permanent members we'd probably end up with some people who would consider being a CSM member their gameplay and they'd start losing their connection with current gameplay and the players.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: gordon861 So when are CCP going to open up the CSM for a few permanent members(like UN security council) that seem to spend all their time working for the good of the game ?
Might help bring some stability to the thing.
Here's my vote for Chribba !
These are called devs and GMs.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Scoop de'Woop
X Bane X
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Posted - 2008.05.23 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus These are called devs and GMs.
Indeed.
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Galenea Moreau
Trioptimum Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.05.23 20:17:00 -
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Don't forget there is nothing stopping the council from requesting input from acknowledged leaders in their EvE fields. Any sensible government and corporation does.
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Dlardrageth
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.23 22:22:00 -
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Opposed!
And bringing up the UN security council of all things to compare how good it could work out... oh golly! |
Karanth
Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.24 07:37:00 -
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Anyone who has ever looked at what the Security Council has actually done in the last half-century, and is in favor of it, is wrong. The Korean War happened because China was boycotting the Council, and Taiwan had its seat. Notice how no permanent members have boycotted since.
Every time something comes up that a permanent member doesn't like, VETO.
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El'Niaga
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.24 10:22:00 -
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Due to the nature of MMOs in general there should be no Permanent members of the CSM. It simply isn't feasible.
(Also if you've not noticed the UN is really a big failure, it has reached none of its goals only seeking to rob member nations of the choice to conduct their own affairs).
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.24 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Galenea Moreau Don't forget there is nothing stopping the council from requesting input from acknowledged leaders in their EvE fields. Any sensible government and corporation does.
We have already briefly discussed this very point. The present CSM - indeed *every* incarnation of the CSM in future too - will always have limitations on the range of experience of its members no matter how widely drawn, and we are looking at procedures for getting requesting specific additional input on topics when we are trying to reach decisions.
IZ
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Galenea Moreau Don't forget there is nothing stopping the council from requesting input from acknowledged leaders in their EvE fields. Any sensible government and corporation does.
Originally by: Inanna Zuni We have already briefly discussed this very point. The present CSM - indeed *every* incarnation of the CSM in future too - will always have limitations on the range of experience of its members no matter how widely drawn, and we are looking at procedures for getting requesting specific additional input on topics when we are trying to reach decisions.
IZ
There is also nothing stopping players from assisting the CSM to do their work, either elected or not. eg. On structuring arguments eg. summarising posts eg. bringing links to the Assembly hall from other areas of the forums. eg. Highlights discussions on scrapheap challenge. etc.
In particular, I'd encourage the other candidates and in particular the CSM Alternates to take this approach. Beyond helping EVE Players (via the CSM), it will also help their own candidacy at next election.
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