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Earthan
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:02:00 -
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I been last months and recently in fleet combats involving titans with doomsdays and imho its a tottaly wrong idea.
1-It makes fights simply not fun.What poeple want is , win or loose, epic battles. Shooting, fighting , experiencing the battle.Not assembling for 1-2 hours those huge fleets, warping from place to place evading dd/trying to trap enemy, then die in 1 second in a flash.ITS NOT FUN. I was in many battles my side lost but we had fun, we were happy.I dont thik i would be happy if i wuold die in a dd.( havent been yet)
2-If its aim was to be anti blob weapons it fails miserably.What it did imho was to stop all medium and small blobs , and make everybody go big and huge blobs, cause thats the only thing that can work against titan supported fleet.
3-It again makes many less equipped/ skilled pilots uselless. You cant have ddd proof bs/hvy interdictor/hac or capital ship? not really useful so much anymore.
So basicly, in a way, we are getting again to a point wich was in past, when turets and drones had no sig radius and bs could instapop any smaller ship really fast, then no smaller ship then bs wasnt really neeeded on battlefield. Remmber bs only times in pvp? Well CCP done ahuge and great work to get all ships a needed role , and after all this , the ddd puts us again in a similar situation...
4- Another problem is nanoing of titans so it can reallign and warp out in 20 seconds.WTF asmall moving station warping out in 20 seconds...
I admit titan without DD isnt so great so it would have to be replaced with something else , but make it something that helps one side but doesnt instantly kill without fun the other side.For example ina radius of 400 km some ultra command modules that boosts freindly resistances + dmg by 10-15 % or something alike...
Thats my view and imho CCP has really go wrong with the doomsday weapon. -
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Frozen Fallout
Mecha Enterprises Group PURGE.
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:07:00 -
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I think that a DD should make you stuck in space with no ability to warp for 15 min. Imho ++++++++++++++++++++++ |
4rc4ng3L
Assisted Homicide Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:12:00 -
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why is it that when we encounter a wall of text and refuse to read any of it, we still feel the need to post some unnecessary comment....
Aint life weird!
Yes 4rc, yes it is!
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Jecob
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:13:00 -
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Doomsday should be a self destruct.
/discuss
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Jecob
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jecob on 24/05/2008 23:14:47
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L why is it that when we encounter a wall of text and refuse to read any of it, we still feel the need to post some unnecessary comment....
Aint life weird!
Yes 4rc, yes it is!
P.S. this guys first few words are good, I agree I did not read the wall of text or most of this guys post. HAHA!
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Cynochar1337
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:15:00 -
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http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=_DKcSR-6D-o
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan
3-It again makes many less equipped/ skilled pilots uselless. You cant have ddd proof bs/hvy interdictor/hac or capital ship? not really useful so much anymore.
While I agree with the sentiment, that Titans completely failed to be anti blob weapons, (in fact they encourage blobs, but you know CCP and their short sightedness) the line I quoted was for a reason.
Fleet battles should be decided by who has the better skills and tactics, NOT who can lag the system out the quickest. Cut your numbers down, and have a decent battle with 150v150 decent pilots. The servers can easily handle it, as long as no one drops a **** load of fighters and caps.
The Titan is there to remind people that think about fleet size above skill and experience, that tactics win every time.
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Earthan
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Earthan
3-It again makes many less equipped/ skilled pilots uselless. You cant have ddd proof bs/hvy interdictor/hac or capital ship? not really useful so much anymore.
While I agree with the sentiment, that Titans completely failed to be anti blob weapons, (in fact they encourage blobs, but you know CCP and their short sightedness) the line I quoted was for a reason.
Fleet battles should be decided by who has the better skills and tactics, NOT who can lag the system out the quickest. Cut your numbers down, and have a decent battle with 150v150 decent pilots. The servers can easily handle it, as long as no one drops a **** load of fighters and caps.
The Titan is there to remind people that think about fleet size above skill and experience, that tactics win every time.
Well imho against a titan , you need tactics but first you need huge numbers to try to do anything.The side that got a titan dont think needs so much thinking.In a way its just again huge isk and skills.
But maby there is something in what you say. -
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 24/05/2008 23:28:47
Originally by: Lady Karma Cut your numbers down, and have a decent battle with 150v150 decent pilots.
Never going to happen..... The other guys will bring an extra 100, so you have to bring an extra 200, meaning they'll bring their friends with another 200..... etc. etc. etc.
Titans DD aren't that difficult to avoid as long as one is not lagged out. If lag hits, well, you should probably have brought a smaller blob....
The titans themselves are (mostly, with the exception of nano-titans) fine. Big and powerful of.c., but well balanced. Peoples tendencies to blob and the game not being able to handle it is what isn't fine.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Earthan
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jecob Edited by: Jecob on 24/05/2008 23:14:47
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L why is it that when we encounter a wall of text and refuse to read any of it, we still feel the need to post some unnecessary comment....
Aint life weird!
Yes 4rc, yes it is!
P.S. this guys first few words are good, I agree I did not read the wall of text or most of this guys post. HAHA!
Well if you want to explain something sometimes you must write a bit mor ethen 2 sentences.And reading a bit more donest hurt/really:) -
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:31:00 -
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Nuclear Weapons kind of spoil the fun too.
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Sitthh
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Frozen Fallout I think that a DD should make you stuck in space with no ability to warp for 15 min. Imho
dude...your a floating head.
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Jecob
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jecob on 24/05/2008 23:35:45
Originally by: Earthan
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L why is it that when we encounter a wall of text and refuse to read any of it, we still feel the need to post some unnecessary comment....
Aint life weird!
Yes 4rc, yes it is!
P.S. this guys first few words are good, I agree I did not read the wall of text or most of this guys post. HAHA!
Well if you want to explain something sometimes you must write a bit mor ethen 2 sentences.And reading a bit more donest hurt/really:) I know it doesn't/really! I'm not saying anything against explaining things in detail or explaining your opinions, I was just agreeing or acknowledging the small part that I did actually read.
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Tatsue Nuko
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:35:00 -
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Holy hell, you people think that the OP here was a "wall of text"? O.o The only slightly "wally" thing it did was grow to a size where it couldn't be fit into a one-paragraph chat bubble...
The comic book generation is at last a fact, it seems.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.24 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Never going to happen..... The other guys will bring an extra 100, so you have to bring an extra 200, meaning they'll bring their friends with another 200..... etc. etc. etc.
Not always the case. I find myself in the position, where we have to deploy half the numbers of the opposition to get a fight.
I have had some beautiful BS on BS action lately, 200 man fleets vs 80. Maybe want to ask Bruce how it went Been going on for weeks
As long as caps are not involved, the server can handle some sweet fights.
Possibly drifting off topic, but Titans are there as a military threat, they are the nuclear weapons. Its a massive 100bil risk to sit one on grid and DD
Depending on the flavour of the DD, and the resists of the HIC, its a massive risk
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Schena
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:18:00 -
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Aye! I agree, titans are to powerfull... but why not, you might ask? The simple answer is that an alliance with only one or two titans use theirs like their titans are their only stronghold in eve. They only use it for two reasons 1. Want to show off their toy and doomsday a single Deimos off a gate. 2. Defend their space / Use it to attack someone elses.
Aye, I have never flown one, nor am I never likely to fly one, but I understand their meaning to a powerfull empire/alliance/corp. In fact, the only action of a titan I've ever seen was when MC doomsdayd Bruce's fleet as we're pulling out of syndicate to move into fountain (I survived).
But when a alliance have 4-8 titans they become overpowered, and I don't mean like 100-200 man BS fleet overpowered, I mean like really a "I-Win button", since they can jump in their titans two at a time making doomsday and kill any hostile support fleet that attempts to get into that system.
Not only do they have their awsome jumpbride, they have the weapon to sweep every support vessel off their grounds to dust. They are likely to be used in future titan production because they can jump bridge regular freighters into the monster of a multiple Capital Ship Maintenance Array (I know little of super-cap production, but it can be build anywhere with sov. 3, right?)
The titans need a new role in my opinion, they should not be the I-Win button (I'm afraid to looses it but it never happened before). They need to be more inline with carriers, more support more than actuall damage.
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Hannobaal
Shadow Forces Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:23:00 -
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Yeah, it would be nice if CCP would recognize their mistake and replace the DD with something else, that is still very powerful and useful but easier to balance.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Schena
The titans need a new role in my opinion, they should not be the I-Win button (I'm afraid to looses it but it never happened before). They need to be more inline with carriers, more support more than actuall damage.
They are not the "I win Button", they are the "I lose 100bil if I get this mouse click wrong button"
Any half decent BS fleet is already aligned at full speed in combat, would take an exceptional piece of dictor piloting, and coordination to get a bunch of BS kills with a DD. If they pull that off, fair play.
If an alliance can afford 20 Titans, thats because they were made too cheap, you can't blame an alliance for buying something that people are scared of.
You say you have never flown a Titan, but can you imagine the the trust between you and the warp in, you think he is not a spy, he says there are no HICs near him, he promises its a drive by warp in, no align time.
Thats a 100bil right click warp...
If it was an "I win button" Morsus Mihi might actually use their's
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TempSniper
UnderDog Industries Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:28:00 -
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Awwh, is KIA spanking you guys that hard we can hear your whines here? lol
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:31:00 -
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Bring back Cyno DD!!!
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Earthan
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: TempSniper Awwh, is KIA spanking you guys that hard we can hear your whines here? lol
Well actually this post is mostly from my north experience fighting ins/tri when i was on wining side.
But yea KIA spanked us a bit if it makes you happy, but this post would be same if we were spanking KIA, as said its mostly form exp when i was on wining side.So plz back from flame baits to topic. -
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: TempSniper Awwh, is KIA spanking you guys that hard we can hear your whines here? lol
Hello KIA fanboi. I know you are not a KIA alt, because you would have probably checked your own killboard before you spoke
Hmmm..can't see much spanking going on there, and 12 kills a day for an alliance is kind of poor tbh
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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.05.25 00:56:00 -
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should be like pacman when you eat a peace of fruit, with that retro bloopbloop noise, then you cant jump or log from system for 15 mins or warp while the titan munches up your ships - btw deny crenane is a fat old drunk basgtardage
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Torrence Osti
Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:09:00 -
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There's no such thing as epic battles since epic battles = 20 min lag where you can't do anything.
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Schena
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.25 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma
Originally by: Schena
The titans need a new role in my opinion, they should not be the I-Win button (I'm afraid to looses it but it never happened before). They need to be more inline with carriers, more support more than actuall damage.
They are not the "I win Button", they are the "I lose 100bil if I get this mouse click wrong button"
Any half decent BS fleet is already aligned at full speed in combat, would take an exceptional piece of dictor piloting, and coordination to get a bunch of BS kills with a DD. If they pull that off, fair play.
If an alliance can afford 20 Titans, thats because they were made too cheap, you can't blame an alliance for buying something that people are scared of.
You say you have never flown a Titan, but can you imagine the the trust between you and the warp in, you think he is not a spy, he says there are no HICs near him, he promises its a drive by warp in, no align time.
Thats a 100bil right click warp...
If it was an "I win button" Morsus Mihi might actually use their's
But when you have an alliance with 5 or even more titans on at the same time, how are you going to attack that space? Especially with cyno jammers and such, I just don't know.. Say.. MH was under siege and Razor have brought a super big BS fleet to MH sov 4 system. MH could use 2 or their titans to doomsday razors first attempt to get into the system. When razor gets more pilots involved, MH just sends another two to doomsday... and so on.. and so on. There's no ending.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.05.25 03:04:00 -
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So wait, let me see if I understand this correctly.
1-Hydra got DD'd.
2-BACON warned them with a beep, but they couldn't get off grid fast enough.
3-One of them came on the forum to demand a DD nerf.
4-Everybody is flaming him.
Did I get all of that right, or did I misunderstand something?
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Earthan
GREY COUNCIL Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.25 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej So wait, let me see if I understand this correctly.
1-Hydra got DD'd.
2-BACON warned them with a beep, but they couldn't get off grid fast enough.
3-One of them came on the forum to demand a DD nerf.
4-Everybody is flaming him.
Did I get all of that right, or did I misunderstand something?
you mistunderstood everything.
Read my answer to previous flame up in the thread.
Seriously guys is it above your brains that somebody writes a post because he believes in the idea, not to flame /whine like you alwys do? -
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Prochura
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:29:00 -
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To balance DD, create an anti dd weapon wich you can fit on a MS. Something like a shield generator wich creates a large bubble of 50 km (similar to a pos). If the module on the MS is activated all ships within the bubble are protected from the DD. Only the MS itself takes the damage. Ships in same fleet can enter the shield without the need of a password. The shield would be active for as long as the ms cap can sustain it's huge energy drain.
Smt like this would be really awesome!
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Taua Roqa
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Prochura To balance DD, create an anti dd weapon wich you can fit on a MS. Something like a shield generator wich creates a large bubble of 50 km (similar to a pos). If the module on the MS is activated all ships within the bubble are protected from the DD. Only the MS itself takes the damage. Ships in same fleet can enter the shield without the need of a password. The shield would be active for as long as the ms cap can sustain it's huge energy drain.
Smt like this would be really awesome!
totally.
I've always wanted to be able to extend shields, it would just be so cool/startrek :P -------------------------------------------- [IMAGE REMOVED]
Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
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Lykah Storm
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.05.25 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Earthan I been last months and recently in fleet combats involving titans with doomsdays and imho its a tottaly wrong idea.
1-It makes fights simply not fun.What poeple want is , win or loose, epic battles. Shooting, fighting , experiencing the battle.Not assembling for 1-2 hours those huge fleets, warping from place to place evading dd/trying to trap enemy, then die in 1 second in a flash.ITS NOT FUN. I was in many battles my side lost but we had fun, we were happy.I dont thik i would be happy if i wuold die in a dd.( havent been yet)
2-If its aim was to be anti blob weapons it fails miserably.What it did imho was to stop all medium and small blobs , and make everybody go big and huge blobs, cause thats the only thing that can work against titan supported fleet.
3-It again makes many less equipped/ skilled pilots uselless. You cant have ddd proof bs/hvy interdictor/hac or capital ship? not really useful so much anymore.
So basicly, in a way, we are getting again to a point wich was in past, when turets and drones had no sig radius and bs could instapop any smaller ship really fast, then no smaller ship then bs wasnt really neeeded on battlefield. Remmber bs only times in pvp? Well CCP done ahuge and great work to get all ships a needed role , and after all this , the ddd puts us again in a similar situation...
4- Another problem is nanoing of titans so it can reallign and warp out in 20 seconds.WTF asmall moving station warping out in 20 seconds...
I admit titan without DD isnt so great so it would have to be replaced with something else , but make it something that helps one side but doesnt instantly kill without fun the other side.For example ina radius of 400 km some ultra command modules that boosts freindly resistances + dmg by 10-15 % or something alike...
Thats my view and imho CCP has really go wrong with the doomsday weapon.
Super weapons FTW!
I think there should be even larger weapon. Something Jovian tech wich would kill all POS's from the system when launched! That would make alliance wars MUCH more intresting and more ISK for faction POS tower builders
More roarming wars to Eve! Atm 0.0 war is far too slow. We need massive weapon wich can knock out POS's!
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