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Sarwaka Foehammer
The Same 20 Guys
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
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Bladen Kerst
NAUCOM
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Bladen Kerst on 31/05/2008 10:24:38 say it one more time pls. it really matters
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Exodus Alpha
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:34:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Are you brain-dead, or maybe just a Privatears alt (though that would probably imply the first)? Eve Uni isn't much without recruitment, and it doesn't make since to recruit new players (that don't know how to defend themselves) in the middle of a war.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
aurorae pacificas
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:43:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
Fraid I have to agree. While I have no interest at all in privateers (despite feeling have actually copped one too many nerfs already) I have supported Eve Uni prior to reading this by advising new players to join their ranks.
This whole episode has completely changed my opinion of Eve-Uni. The above quoted post, and the admittance of the borderline exploit within, represents (imo anyway) everything that is wrong with eve's community.
Face up to the dec, or pay em off, whatever. Hiding behind metagame borderline exploits is weak beyond belief. I hope ccp fix this by making mutual wardecs not effect the price of non consentuals.
Personally I will never advise another player to check you out and will actively let players know how ordinary your behavior and response to this has been.
big thumbs down Eve-U
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Bladen Kerst
NAUCOM
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Posted - 2008.05.31 10:51:00 -
[365]
I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
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Tommy Foofoo
Molden Heath Gentlemen's Society
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Posted - 2008.05.31 13:11:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 31/05/2008 13:11:54 Edited by: Tommy Foofoo on 31/05/2008 13:11:16
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
I hope ccp fix this by making mutual wardecs not effect the price of non consentuals.
Reading ftw
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.05.31 18:23:00 -
[367]
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
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Lrrp
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:48:00 -
[368]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
So the Prive's were clueless prior to the war dec nerf and didn't exploit it?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.06.01 02:58:00 -
[369]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/06/2008 03:03:51 Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/06/2008 03:03:15
Originally by: Lrrp
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Bladen Kerst I never stumbled upon eve-uni or privateers while playing this game, so all I know about them is from this thread which is not much. But one thing I was able to learn is that eve-uni leadership understans game mechanics better than privateers who are supposed to excell in high-sec wars... Moreover Privateers' leadership instead of trying to understand what actually happened came to CAOD and asked for public ridicule.
Well youve been sadly misinformed. The privateers (be it the corp) or the alliance are totally clueless when it comes to wardec exploits. Its not what they do.
You see they have never partook in anything that was even remotly classed as an exploit. CCP never looked into anything they did. They didnt ever have to "go and consider the legailty" of anything (unlike the EUIN stunt).
So i can confirm - when it comes to exploiting game mechanics - EUNI reign supreme.
SKUNK
So the Prive's were clueless prior to the war dec nerf and didn't exploit it?
There was no exploit. It was never judged to be an exploit. No one was warned, banned, threatend and all contact with CCP and ISD was positive.
This was despite 1 million carebear petitions.
Compare that to the other alliances in the game running bugged complexs, pos bowling, gifts from gms, node crashes, alt corp war decs.. (the list is endeless) and the irony is, that in stark contrast to their popular image, the Privateer Alliance actualy has the one of the cleanest records in the game when it comes to exploits, certainly far cleaner then EUIN after this latest stunt.
SKUNK
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Arges
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.01 06:42:00 -
[370]
And this kind of thread is why I quit reading the forums almost 2 year ago. I'll admit right now that this post won't bring anything constructive to the matter as I feel that it has been pretty well covered, one rare meaningfull post at a time, throughout all the manure that fills the 12 pages that this thing has grown into. Hell, when Hooch AND mister IVY guy (sorry but I can't be arsed to remember your name... Kull, Kel... whoever the genius behind this was) both agreed on the fact that the only thing left to do is wait for a GM statement on the matter, I thought it pretty much closed the matter until said statement is released. I guess I forgot about the whole forum warrior thing.
So before I drop the forums for a few more years and resume my usual gaming, I'll jump on the bandwagon and spew mindless arguments, facts and smack so I can feel like I've contributed to the advancement of this game.
Eve-Uni are lame. Boooooo, hiss hiss. Privs rock... but privs are jerks and they cry and lol at them for the hypocrisy (which is a pretty dumb argument but I guess we can serve it up to IVY when they end up mentioning a possible exploit). So... what's left to say... oh yeah, Privs should pay up or gtfo because e-uni are so smart for thinking this up (although, didn't Hooch say we do have the money to keep going and that we will? Yeah... telling us to pay up is one strong argument on this case... and is totaly relevant). Aaaaaand that covers it. I've made my contribution and can now do some serious thinking as to why I thought I missed the forums.
And look, I have a new sig! \o/
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Zeimanov Kalzumaan
Haruspex Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.01 08:57:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Sarwaka Foehammer
Originally by: Kelduum Revaan I have to say, even if it had cost 10.5 billion ISK, it would be worth it to see the 'Priva-tears' (thank you, Tormenta) whining this has generated.
Ok, so, some clarifications, straight from the source:
- I am the one behind this, and it was done without the knowledge of anyone in Ivy League.
- Wars can be declared for "any reason". Admittedly it may not be the original intent, but this is a sandbox, after all.
- The accounts these 'alts' are on are not mine, but friends of mine who are new to Eve.
- Although these are not my accounts or characters, I did however provide some directions, and supplied the necessary ISK.
- Making a war mutual removes its cost, but also removes it from the cost calculations.
- There is nothing unusual with the wars themselves. They follow the normal mechanics in every way.
- The mechanics behind this were submitted as Bug Report 56896 for clarification, and it was confirmed that it was by design.
Now, claims involving horrendously bad calculations aside (and, I must say, its good to see that Mr Hooch has managed to find that calculator and edit his posts), I am not aware of anything that suggests this is an exploit of existing mechanics.
This does not make IVY immune to wars, however it should dissuade the Privateers from their apparent 'holy crusade' to destroy Eve University. I think it is safe to say that the killboard speaks for itself on their performance so far, as it is suggesting that the great and powerful Privateers are unable to kill a bunch of noobs and their teachers. Simply put, our pilots learn from their mistakes, and come back stronger next time.
As far as neutrality goes, now correct me if I am wrong here, neutrality is typically between multiple separate entities, but there seems to be only two involved here: The Privateers, and Ivy League. I don't see how any claims of breaching neutrality applies here.
Finally, regarding mercenaries, I'm not aware of IVY paying for any. I may be mistaken, but after looking through the corp wallet, I am under the impression that any mercenaries involved are working for free.
-- Kelduum Revaan Director Eve University <IVY>
Beyond any doubt, thhe post quoted above takes the cake as the biggest pile of LOSE ever published on CAOD.
EVE-UNI. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
If your claimes are true and Privateers are not doing you any damage, then I would love to know why you needed to go to these lengths to try to avoid the wardec.
Losers losers losers.
Losers.
Bit late there mate - managed to read the whole thread yet or did you get halfway through and decide to just hit that quote button?
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Is forporn
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.01 09:01:00 -
[372]
eve university is the cancer thats killing eve
Join THE INTERNET. today |
Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2008.06.01 12:49:00 -
[373]
I hear the war will end in a few hours? Any comments?
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nomadeyes
Squirley Wrath
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Posted - 2008.06.01 16:43:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Dariah Stardweller I hear the war will end in a few hours? Any comments?
How goes the trolling?
I thought we were talking about pie now? didn't you get the memo?? It is far better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.02 05:04:00 -
[375]
Almost going off the first page!
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Tzujeih
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.02 05:52:00 -
[376]
What a bunch of crybabies.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:12:00 -
[377]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned
Please wait for the official announcement by the GMs, the process has already started to review the matter, posting multiple threads about the subject and highlighting alleged inconsistencies between CCP employees and ISD volunteers detracts from the message you're attempting to make.
Bump as a reminder that New Eden is still awaiting the official announcement.
Originally by: techzer0 I'm invincible until proven wrong
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Skjorta
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:13:00 -
[378]
Has this been declared an exploit yet?
Other groups are starting to use this "method" and are becoming essentially immune to war.
I'm not in war....or plan on dec'ing anybody anytime soon, but this type of meta-gaming ruins the feel of the game.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.06.20 00:28:00 -
[379]
http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Necrotelicomnicon
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.21 06:21:00 -
[380]
rofl... GJ Ivy League
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
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Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:15:00 -
[381]
Edited by: Mattduk on 21/06/2008 09:16:23
Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 25/05/2008 07:20:39
Originally by: Gnulpie
That is getting funnier and funnier. Now BoB is also complaining about using game mechanics to their full extend? Pos bowling for example, anyone? 'It is possible and unless it is not declared an exploit we will use it'.
So, either CCP says using wardecs this way is an exploit and then no one can use it. Or CCP says nothing (but changes it in the next patch) and then everyone should shut up.
The ONLY way to improve the game is to use these mechanics so that the devs can think over it if they wanted it this way or not and then act.
Again I say: bravo!
Shut up, Gnulpie.
This should be an exploit no matter who does it to whom. Stupidity like yours is ruining the game.
It is also a pretty desperate tactic from someone claiming to be 'winning' the war.
And stupidity like yours is ruining this forum. If the GMs consider it an exploit, they will say so. If they don't then they won't. All the tears in the world on CAOD won't change a thing except make you look a fool.
As far as Ivy's neutrality are concerned, wtf are you lot bleating on about? They are supposed to be a PVP University, yet are being hounded by an Empire alliance, and have been for some time. I don't understand how defending themselves however they can compromises neutrality in any way, shape or form.
Oh, and thanks to the guy who actually took the time to explain what IVY have actually done. Bravo. The OP was dreadful and the follow up posts explained nothing yet quoted sums of cash. I guess you can stop cooing about that 10.5 billion now and look daft with your 1 bill war dec fee as was intended (I guess).
Jump Bridges? **** idea. |
Mattduk
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mattduk Not constructive - Navigator
LOL - Like half the posts in this thread are?
Jump Bridges? **** idea. |
Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:11:00 -
[383]
can't believe its taken me this long to read this thread. absolutely hilarious. after all the time privateers have been screwing with the war dec system, seeing them cry about this is absolutely priceless.
this one should be perma-stickied. or at least used as a case study in psychology classes.
You're doing it wrong. |
Robert Rosenberg
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre can't believe its taken me this long to read this thread. absolutely hilarious. after all the time privateers have been screwing with the war dec system, seeing them cry about this is absolutely priceless.
this one should be perma-stickied. or at least used as a case study in psychology classes.
Well to be fair all the actual privateers quit when the old way got nerfed, the people *****ing in this thread are the sad mockery of former greatness who remain.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:42:00 -
[385]
I skipped right to page thirteen, you guys are going to make me read all this? bah.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:17:00 -
[386]
Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
SchirmerN
x13
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:38:00 -
[387]
rabble rabble rabble...Someone lock this useless tread. |
Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:43:00 -
[388]
man I guess Eve Uni better pay BC hastings 4 billion isk or die
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Rellik Remag
Solidarity
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Posted - 2008.06.23 13:58:00 -
[389]
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Wow.. cry some more. |
The Hooch
Wolf Tactical Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:16:00 -
[390]
Originally by: Rellik Remag
Originally by: The Hooch Well it has been five weeks now since they implemented their war proofing plan.
CCP seems to be content to simply ignore it.
So, I would suggest that all alliances that want to forever war proof themselves in empire contact the Ivy League leadership and get the details. For a cost of around 300 million isk you can make a war dec cost 1 Billion for anyone wanting to dec you.
Well done Ivy you did want we could not, you have gotten away with it.
This is a game breaking hole in the war dec rules and nothing is being done about it.
Hooch
Wow.. cry some more.
Dear twit, as you can see I am no longer in Privateers these days. However, this is a real issue for long term play for many players. Please look beyond the end of your troll fingers and perhaps you might begin to see that.
This is a game issue for me, it's not personal any longer.
Hooch
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
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