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Jeto	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:49:00 - [1] I'm planning to get into T2 items invention and I hit a wall when trying to create alts just to pump out datacores. I've read a few guides about invention and research and how to create an alt. However, they all left out the standing part. How do you obtain standings required to unlock the R&D agents? Is mission grinding the only way? Say if I'm planning to have 2-3 alts to get datacores. Do I have to grind their relative standings one by one? Is there any other method I'm not aware of? Thank you for anyone who can answer this.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:58:00 - [2] Mission grinding. You can put the alts together with anotehr one to help grind till they can use L4 agents. But the required faction standing for L4 R&D agents they need to do themselves. Enjoy :p Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Jeto	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:15:00 - [3] Oh lord, this would take months. I have a corp with high faction standing. If I get the alt to join that corp, will it help?
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Jeto Oh lord, this would take months. I have a corp with high faction standing. If I get the alt to join that corp, will it help? Not the slighest. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Nick Domani	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Jeto I'm planning to get into T2 items invention and I hit a wall when trying to create alts just to pump out datacores. I've read a few guides about invention and research and how to create an alt. However, they all left out the standing part. How do you obtain standings required to unlock the R&D agents? Is mission grinding the only way? Say if I'm planning to have 2-3 alts to get datacores. Do I have to grind their relative standings one by one? Is there any other method I'm not aware of? Thank you for anyone who can answer this. Sort of. With 3 alts, you're talking at least 1 other account than your main. Run missions on your main with one or more alts in your fleet (they don't have to do anything, just be ganged when you turn it in), and turn in the mission as 'I and my fleet completed the objectives' to share the reward and standing increase. Train the alts' Social skill as high as you have patience for to grab the most standing increase from missions. Social on your main will help to bump up the base reward too, and can't take longer than a week to get to 5. This is still grinding it one by one, but you're using your trained main to get the alts a bigger standing increase than they could on their own and you don't have to worry about having to train combat skills on the alts. Training Connections on the alts will help access the agents quicker, too, but I assume you know this already. Also...have your alts run the R&D missions once they get access to the first R&D agents. These are never difficult (special delivery, give tritanium) and kick off storyline agents to get you to even higher standings. Have your main fleet up for the storyline mission if needed, but turn it in as if the alt did it on his own to maximize standing gain and expedite access to higher R&D agents.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:24:00 - [6] R&D agents dont trigger storylines. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Nick Domani	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Shintai R&D agents dont trigger storylines. You might want to talk with my storyline agents, then, and get them to stop giving them to me.
Shintai Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:42:00 - [8] Unless its the 1 mission a day for 16 days. Then ok yes. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Jeto	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:52:00 - [9] Thanks for the reply. This would push my plan to do some serious invention a few months back. Guess there's no easy route in eve.
Nick Domani	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Shintai Unless its the 1 mission a day for 16 days. Then ok yes. I have 3 agents in the same station, so 3 missions a day for a little over 5 days, but yeah. Although I should mention that the storyline mission only helps if your storyline agent works for the same corp as your R&D agents, but at least the double RP per day helps with datacores.
Hamarkon Isloan Setenta Corp Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:22:00 - [11] Edited by: Hamarkon Isloan on 25/05/2008 14:25:04 The key is to find the storyline agents for the target R&D corp. The corp standing increase is quite large compared to the regular missions. A level 4 storyline mission will give 20% standing increase or more. For a mission runner that is nothing, but for a starting R&D alt with low standing the jumps are a time saver.
Bartom Dekkar Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Jeto Thanks for the reply. This would push my plan to do some serious invention a few months back. Guess there's no easy route in eve. Actually this shouldn't change your timetable for invention at all. The datacores you farm yourself "cost" as much as the datacores you buy from the market as far as invention is concerned, so go ahead and start inventing. When your alts can earn their own datacores, this is really a separate income stream. If invention using market prices for datacores (either bought or farmed) isn't profitable, don't do it, as you would make more just selling your datacores.
Jeto	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Bartom Dekkar Originally by: Jeto Thanks for the reply. This would push my plan to do some serious invention a few months back. Guess there's no easy route in eve. Actually this shouldn't change your timetable for invention at all. The datacores you farm yourself "cost" as much as the datacores you buy from the market as far as invention is concerned, so go ahead and start inventing. When your alts can earn their own datacores, this is really a separate income stream. If invention using market prices for datacores (either bought or farmed) isn't profitable, don't do it, as you would make more just selling your datacores. This makes a lot sense. I do count the datacores as cost to invention. I tend to be away a lot due to my work, hence I want to have a few alts just to get datacores while I'm away and not actively playing eve. When I get home, I'll have enough datacores to to invention with. Just some extra income even I'm not playing eve.
Cergorach The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Hamarkon Isloan Edited by: Hamarkon Isloan on 25/05/2008 14:25:04 The key is to find the storyline agents for the target R&D corp. The corp standing increase is quite large compared to the regular missions. A level 4 storyline mission will give 20% standing increase or more. For a mission runner that is nothing, but for a starting R&D alt with low standing the jumps are a time saver. 20% might seem like a lot, but you still need to run 16 level 4 missions before you get a storyline level 4 mission. I don't know about you, but I do about an hour to complete a level 4 mission, maybe if you had the perfect boat with the perfect skills you might average 45 minutes for each mission. That's at best 12 hours of mission running (for each alt), for me around 16 hours. I've found that doing Level 3 missions is far more effective, I do about seven in the time it takes to complete a level 4 (on average)... I pick one level 3 agent, I form a gang with four alts that need to raise their corp standing. I share each mission with my gang mates, while that raises the corp standing, it also raises the personal standing with the agent (which goes up quicker then the standing to the corp). When the personal standing to the agent reaches the required amount of standing, I let the alts acquire the missions, and run them myself (they only need to warp in to the location in a newbie ship). I do this in a relatively slow battleship and sometimes I need to pick up things that are still far away, when the enemies are already dead I move on to the next mission (from another alt), and let the current alt pick up the item. I would like to point out that although the alt might be blown up, the pod is enough to warp to (will not be targeted by the NPCs). I make sure that I fly mostly combat missions (95% of the time). Refusing a hauling mission every four hours and taking a standing hit so now and then (negible) ensures My standing increases are relatively significant and close to home. This is most effecient when using one combat character (with high standing to the relevant agent) and four alts. 80% of the standing gain goes to the alts until they reach a high enough standing to gain 100% of the standing gain (and benefit from storyline missions). Sharing standing is easiest to coordinate (the alts can sit still in station), but when they have their own missions things get a bit tricky to manage (for five accounts). Some of the better Level 4 R&D agents need corp standings of around 7, I can tell you that's a lot of missions to run. Might not be worth it if you only use the alts to 'mine' datacores, if you want to do more with those alts (research, production, trade, POS defense, etc.), it might be worth it in the LONG run. My current expectations are that after six months I should have earned back my invested isk, after that everything they turn out is profit, you just don't want to know how many hours I spent running missions to raise their standing. Alternatively, you can subcontract the standing raises for your alts. Just let someone else run the missions while being ganged to your alts. But that gets expensive rather quickly and it would take a lot longer to get your investment back...
Krav Egad Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.26 18:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Cergorach 20% might seem like a lot, but you still need to run 16 level 4 missions before you get a storyline level 4 mission. I don't know about you, but I do about an hour to complete a level 4 mission, maybe if you had the perfect boat with the perfect skills you might average 45 minutes for each mission. That's at best 12 hours of mission running (for each alt), for me around 16 hours. I've found that doing Level 3 missions is far more effective, I do about seven in the time it takes to complete a level 4 (on average)... You're running way too much tank on your mission running ship if it requires 45 minutes to complete the average l4 with "perfect" skills. I run l4 combat missions and can personally attest that the average is much less than that. Some missions are 5 minute affairs, on average you won't even see a long mission take over a half hour tops. I won't argue on the rate of standing increases between l3's and l4's since I simply do not know nor care to work out that much math, but I will say your estimate for l4's is woefully incorrect. Krav ===== Stacking Penalties and you
Michael Caldar DangerZone Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.08 02:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Cergorach I don't know about you, but I do about an hour to complete a level 4 mission... <snip> ... I make sure that I fly mostly combat missions (95% of the time). Refusing a hauling mission every four hours and taking a standing hit so now and then (negible) ensures My standing increases are relatively significant and close to home. Oh goody... That's probably the slowest way to raise your standings. Ever. Apart from not running missions at all, that is. Not going nuts about it you can do 4-5 courier missions an hour practically afk. If you get organised and plan it properly you can double that number easily. That's a storyline every 2-4 hours of gameplay. There is no difference what type of missions you do as far as the type of storyline you get. You can do 16 R&D missions and get a combat storyline or run 16 Vengeances back to back with a resulting Materials for War stuff. A 6 hour level 4 combat mission would give you up to ~6% standings boost with the corp that issued it (depending on your skills and agent quality). A combat storyline like A Case of Kidnapping - 35%. Even the daft 40,000m3 shipping storyline yields 32% standing boost. And there you don't even have to do anything - undock, hit autopilot, unload, repeat. With planning you can raise standings enough to use that elusive R&D agent in a day, weekend at most. With running combat missions? Hmmm... p.s. You might actually look at how many missions you need to run just to recover that (negligible?) standing hit for refusing a mission out of turn - you'd be surprised how much refusing/failing missions hurts standings wise.
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.06.08 05:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Krav on average you won't even see a long mission take over a half hour tops. Longest missions take actually indeed approx 40-45 min solo. Things like extravaganzsas. For 30 min mark for longest missions you would need to dual account for them. At least that's my experience using 2 gank fitted CNR's for them. Altho you are correct in that regard that average in the hands of competent missionrunner would be considerably lower. Competent mission runner with reasonably pimped ride should be able to complete 3 - 5 lev 4 missions per hour. Problem with lev 3 mission's, if you are good at missionrunning is that at some point you will be using more time to fly to mission and back to your agent that you do doing those missions actually. Used faction pimped cerberus to speedrun lev 3's for R&D corp with no lev 4 agents withing reasonable distance of me and I would say that you get 'there' on lev 4 missions in approx 2/3 rd of time it takes on lev 3 missions. That is if you do usually missions for living in EVE and are good at it. If you are just 'casual' missionrunner you would do propably better on lev 3 missions.
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.06.08 05:55:00 - [18] The fastest way to 'R&D' with research alt in my experience is doing shared missions with it in gang until he gets acsess to your combat agent from personal standings and after that take missions with him and while doing them with your main, turn the missions in for the alt. For example acsess from personal standings to L4Q17 combat agent takes 40 missions without social skills or 30 missions with social skills at lev 4 - shared 2 ways. That get's your alt an ability to ask missions from that agent. It's a long climb tho in any case. Even using this scheme for it.
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.06.08 09:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Shintai R&D agents dont trigger storylines. They do. I have got plenty of storylines doing only R&D missions.
Galtan Deus The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.08 12:44:00 - [20] If you happen to want gallente R&D corp standings, then a lot of the gallente cosmos agents are from Roden Shipyards. You can run many of these with a low skilled character or (for the non-courier stuff) do the encounters with your main and simply buy the tricky items from the contract market. Just get your alt to get and turn in the missions solo - these give great corp and faction boosts.
Valenti Ex	Posted - 2008.06.08 22:22:00 - [21] On a similar note, I just started the whole RP datacore game, and I was wondering if the various social skills increase your RP production at all? I know gaining L3 of the appropriate science skill increased RP production with my level 2 agent, I'm just wondering if social, connections, negotiations, or any other skills go into determining RP production. Or is it just agent level/quality and your skill in the appropriate science. I know they will speed up your standings gain and give you access to better agents, but is there a direct benefit?
Thor Parcon	Posted - 2008.06.09 17:48:00 - [22] I am currently running 5 level 4 R&D agents. The fastest way that I have found to accomplished this was to first turn in all of the tags possible at data centers for the two factions that you are looking to do research with (Gallente+Minmatar or Caldari+Amarr). This will raise faction standing incredibly fast. It may require a few missions for the corporations that you turn in the tags for, but only a few should give you the needed standings to turn in all tags. Cosmos missions also speed up this process but not required. (Total time: maybe 1 day) Now spam courier missions until you have the faction standing required for the level 4 agents (Usually ~6.8-7.0 for the best R&D agents). Again, this does not take as long as you would think. Find a level 4 archives agent(which you can now use due to faction standing), spam couriers, get the storylines, enjoy the implants. (Total Time: 1-2 day) Now all you should have to do is grind the effective standings of the alts to between 4.0 - 4.8 with the individual corps and you're done. As a bonus, your alts now have high enough standings to anchor a POS in empire space for you. (Total Time: ~1-2 Days Per Corp) I did this with Minmatar+Gallente standings faction and for the DuVolle, Roden and Core Complexion corporations so I could run 2x Gallentean Starship Engineering and 3x Mechanical Engineering level 4 agents. As long as you can find the agents that you need within your set of 2 factions, this works well. Adjust corporations as needed etc.
Darra Leadspa	Posted - 2008.06.09 18:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Valenti Ex On a similar note, I just started the whole RP datacore game, and I was wondering if the various social skills increase your RP production at all? I know gaining L3 of the appropriate science skill increased RP production with my level 2 agent, I'm just wondering if social, connections, negotiations, or any other skills go into determining RP production. Or is it just agent level/quality and your skill in the appropriate science. I know they will speed up your standings gain and give you access to better agents, but is there a direct benefit? the amount of RP`s you get daily can be calculated using: Daily RP = ((Agent Lvl+Your Lvl In That Field)(Agent Lvl+Your Lvl In That Field))(1+(Agent Efective Quality/100)) From that equation you will be able to see that while the skills that raise effective quality will help (which is connected to Agent standing, so Connections and Social(if you consider social will give you extra standing per mission run)) The biggest diffrence will be seen from training the realtive science skill, and or moving up to the next lvl of agent.
Mika Meroko Crayon Posting Inc	Posted - 2008.06.10 01:18:00 - [24] There is only one way: Grind grind grind grind grind!!!!! get your main on the other account to share lvl 4 mish with ya..turn in for gang.... then grind grind grind grind grind grind grind!!!!

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