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Neirti
An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.25 15:54:00 -
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Would my best option for low sec gankage be an astarte or should i choose another ship. I can currently fly Gallente/Caldari CS and down effectively. Im just wondering if the astarte is a isk-wise choice for low sec gankage?
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Ratuu
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:20:00 -
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Assuming you can pick your fights, the dps should be enough for most engagements. Range can be an issue though so I'm thinking it depends on where/how/who you intend to hunt.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.05.25 16:33:00 -
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I once heard of a flagged astarte 10km from a lowsec gate, tackled by a neutral rapier slowly being torn apart. G/L ganking newbs in lowsec!
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slothe
Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:22:00 -
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astarte has no use at all that i can see either in low sec where it is outclassed by battleships that are cheaper to replace, or 0.0 where nanogangs will slowly kill it.
for lowsec use either a dual rep ion blaster hyperion for active tank, or alternatively megathron with neutron blasters + 1600mm / trimark passive tank
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:50:00 -
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Astarte has the same damage as a Megathron, with about the same speed, agility and tank. The only advantage it has would be the tracking difference of medium guns vs large blasters. It also has a really good falloff with Neutrons and Null.
I wouldn't use it for lowsec ganking because the damage is overkill for most smaller targets, and if you're doing it solo you won't have the speed to catch them. For BS sized targets, a BS is more practical, but even then solo BS in lowsec means you'll be fighting other gatecampers.
Astarte's most unique trait is the ability to fit a full rack of 250mm Railguns on a Gallente ship, with great range and damage.
Try Phobos for solo lowsec. It has great scramble range, great tank, can fit a rack of neutrons easily, and can still do ~290 DPS with faction ammo and skills. Plus its a lot easier to catch people when their stabs are pointless and you've got a sensor booster. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Ren Tales
Crimson Flag
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Posted - 2008.05.25 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Astarte has the same damage as a Megathron, with about the same speed, agility and tank. The only advantage it has would be the tracking difference of medium guns vs large blasters. It also has a really good falloff with Neutrons and Null.
I wouldn't use it for lowsec ganking because the damage is overkill for most smaller targets, and if you're doing it solo you won't have the speed to catch them. For BS sized targets, a BS is more practical, but even then solo BS in lowsec means you'll be fighting other gatecampers.
Astarte's most unique trait is the ability to fit a full rack of 250mm Railguns on a Gallente ship, with great range and damage.
Try Phobos for solo lowsec. It has great scramble range, great tank, can fit a rack of neutrons easily, and can still do ~290 DPS with faction ammo and skills. Plus its a lot easier to catch people when their stabs are pointless and you've got a sensor booster.
I cant comment on the Phobos, but
The astarte is considerably more agile than the megathron, firstly, and secondly it has the advantage of having 90% of its damage come from its guns as opposed to its drones (25% on most megathron fits) This means it can fit a full flight of med ECM drones without hurting its own fitting at all to do so.
On the other hand, the megathron can fit heavy ECM drones...
But yes, for the pure tank and gank role, the mega easily outperforms the astarte. ---- Want to learn how to yar? Want to teach young pirates? Crimson Flag is Recruiting
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Ecky X
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:05:00 -
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I was once roaming in lowsec in an arbitrator, when an astarte attacked me on a gate. I tracking disrupted him and kept bumping him out of range of jumping, and he died to sentries.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.25 19:14:00 -
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Actually no, its more like 73% of the Astarte's damage comes from guns, and 60% for the Megathron. Medium drones are also easier to shoot down than heavies, and the Megathron does more turret based damage if both were to lose drones. Both do 1200m/s with T2 mwd. Astarte warps in around 12 seconds, the Megathron in 15.
The Astarte does about 15% more damage than a Deimos for 50mil more isk, and sacrifices a lot of mobility. For heavy hitting and tanking the Megathron is better. For the most balanced platform, Deimos is better. Both are cheaper.
Like I said, about the only unique selling point of the Astarte is the ability to fit 7x 250mm Railgun II's, which does 300 dps at 0-30km, 70% of the damage with a blaster fit at 600% the range. Fitting rails also negates the mobility problems, and fills in the biggest deficiency in Gallente gangs: medium range.
Smaller ships don't have the grid or damage, and bigger ships don't have the tracking.
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DARTHxFREE
Double Indemnity
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Posted - 2008.05.25 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Astarte has the same damage as a Megathron, with about the same speed,
This isn't quite true, for me thats 977dps vs 1177dps so...83% of the MegaT's damage.
That 200dps is a big difference, a dominix(common low sec BS) can tank the puny lil astarte but will reasnibly quikly melt under the megaT.
Astarte doesn't have the manuverablility and DPS versatility to deal with the frig&fast-cruiser encounters of low sec.
It also doesn't have the DPS/tank to deal with most BS encounters.
If your just out to hunt low SP/noobs thier are many better and cheeper alternatives. /join Cheeze & Whine Club
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Neirti
An Eye For An Eye Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:51:00 -
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Ok so it seems the astarte isnt a good choice. What would be? I was leaning torwards a phobos, or hac. Would a HIC be better than a hac?
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easei
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.26 13:58:00 -
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You want a hictor if your camping gates for sure. Better tank and infini-point.
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achoura
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Posted - 2008.05.26 14:01:00 -
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Well a deimos with 1600 plate gangs well nut wnt last if caught, ishtar with dual reps can tank sentries but drone die to guns. Best thing to so is ether buy a small stack of tii fitted brutix for ganky (can tank sentries of needed) or tii fitted bs, heck the domi is dirt cheap and evil.
Spend afew more mil on fitting rigs, the cost difference of the astarte i believe, and you can fit a set of blasters on top of a dual rep tank with a massive amount of dps and tank, although a bugger mega would be similar the domi can hold the tank a little longer plus poeple really don't expect it (at which point the undocked 12 ppl to kill me and survived the 60 sec overloaded too ).
Cheapest high dps/gank ship for lowsec is a domi with heavy neutrons and navy am (yes med guns) with dual heavy injectors, one mag stab and some ogres youve over 800 dps, cheaper and more insurale than that astarte and have a superior tank ***The EVE servers and their patches*** |
Termopan
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Posted - 2008.06.04 21:28:00 -
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if you plan to do some solo gate camps ..id tell ya to go for megathron but if you are in gang go for a nos/neut domi ..no recon/hac will come close to ya this way u leave them 0 cap and get out or you could use a nighthawk ..thats a good ship ..its more like a drake on steroids hehe ^^
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Stuart Price
Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.06.04 23:45:00 -
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Brutix. It costs a lot less, won't attract a crapload of people from nearby systems and is fully insurable. If you absolutely must fly a badass blasterboat you want a Mega. It's just better for pvp.
I can fly Caldari, Amarr and Gallente command ships and I'm struggling to find a genuine role for them that can't be done better or cheaper by something else (with the exception of spewing out monster gang bonuses).
Nighthawk -> Drake (tanking, missile spamming) Vulture -> Eagle/Ferox (Sniping, blasterboat) Absolution -> Harbinger (Damage) Damnation -> Devoter (Tackling) Eos -> Ishtar/Myrmidon (Drone boat) Astarte -> Deimos/Brutix (Blasterboat)
They're shiny and expensive toys, but they don't have enough of an advantage to justify it beyond novelty factor imho. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier" |
AKULA UrQuan
Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:16:00 -
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Hyperion with a single rep+1600 plate is alot easier on the wallet after insurance. The fifth mid for ECCM so you can deal with ECM drones and falcon alts is also nice to have.
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Admeral Hawkie
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:26:00 -
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If your going low sec ganking and being torn apart by a frigate, HAVE A WEB
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Phoenix119
Rum Runners' Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.05 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ecky X I was once roaming in lowsec in an arbitrator, when an astarte attacked me on a gate. I tracking disrupted him and kept bumping him out of range of jumping, and he died to sentries.
Thats funny, Either A: you r lieing. Or B: He is a complete noob and didnt but a web on a blaster boat. If A, as soon as u went in for bump, web and your done. Im going to go with B and give u the benifit. Besides that Yea i would def. go with the mega cheaper and it can be insured.
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