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FoxyVixen
The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 07:56:00 -
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Hi, getting a new computer next week and can't figure out if it's going to be a Q6600 or a 3ghz wolfdale duo core, so was wondering, how well does eve handle more than one core? some people say their eve only use one core.. some say 4.. could people come with their personal experience ? what CPU they got and how eve spread itself over more cores, if at all?
Thanks ^^
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:00:00 -
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Eve only plays on one core, though it may switch between cores as the threads are created and destroyed. Stackless Python can't handle parallel threads, apparently.
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Saietor Blackgreen
The First Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: FoxyVixen Hi, getting a new computer next week and can't figure out if it's going to be a Q6600 or a 3ghz wolfdale duo core, so was wondering, how well does eve handle more than one core?
Eve doesnt need THAT much CPU power, TBH. When you get lots of objects on screen, server-side lag usually starts to dominate over your PC lag anyway. And yes, it doesnt use dual-core CPUs effectively.
I wouldnt buy Q6600 if I were you. You'll hardly see any benefit from 4 cores yet at all, let alone in EVE. Also, Wolfdale will be colder and less powerhungry. And if you really fancy Quad processors get a 45 nm Yorkfield. --- Redesign local/scanner feature - make the place huge, dark and scary again! |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:07:00 -
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Agreed. Unless you can think of several programs you frequently use that definitely have support for quad-core processors, go with the E8400. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Fist1
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Fist1 on 26/05/2008 08:10:39 if it comes down to it, spend for more ram over a quad core.
although I do notice that when I alt-tab out my CPU usage shoots up and stays high till I am back in game.
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Orrelious
The Umbrella Union Fleet
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:25:00 -
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E8400 is a good choice.
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Anti Excedrin
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:28:00 -
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My future PC layout includes a quad core for video editing and multiple eve clients running at once. If you're not going to do either then dual core is going to be enough for you.
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FoxyVixen
The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:30:00 -
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figured. was going to go with the wolfdale from the start till someone from my alliance claimed his eve use all 4 cores, so was wondering if there were more to that claim. his cpu type is: "QuadCore Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850, 3000 MHz (9 x 333)". so got curious.
wish a dev would reply about future plans for duo/quad cores in the future, but most likely they won't with my luck :/
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4rc4ng3L
Assisted Homicide Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:32:00 -
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I have the Q6600, which i find great. Although i do alot of work with Image applications such as Painter and PS as well as alot of video editing so the 4 cores are a benefit to me.
If you dont do much of that then the 3ghz wolfdale will be a better option for gaming as almost no games out there take advantage of the 4 cores so your better off with 2 faster ones.
Some might also argue that getting the Q6600 will be better future proofing, if you dont intend to upgrade soon afterwards.
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Zarest
Tarnak inc. The Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: Zarest on 26/05/2008 08:53:00 Ok when it comes to CPU's quad is the way to go if you can afford it. I have played EVE with the Q6600 and monitored it's performance. The results I got were outstanding, Eve may only use one of the 4 cores but the the other 3 cores are going to be handing the other process in the computer such as the OS sound etc.
That leaving that one core 100% dedicated to Eve. Also get a motherboard with a fast chip set, most people spend hundreds on the CPU and go cheep on the motherboard but if you get a nice Intel X38 Chip set that Q6600 is going to fly.
Now if you have the extra money to go with the Intel Q9450 with a X48 chip set Motherboard and DDR3 RAM but if you are on a budget go with the Q6600 you wont be sorry.
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Shintai
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.05.26 08:56:00 -
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The E8400 is also 45nm and saves alot of power compared to the Q6600. 2 accounts=dualcore. 2+ accounts=quad. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:09:00 -
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While EVE only uses 1 core from a multi core cpu, you can use this to your advantage.
Depending on the os you are using (you have to do this every time with XP, but vista seems to remember) you can Configure EVE to run on a specific core and only that core. If you are running multiple clients then you can configure each of them to run on a different cor, or 1 on Core 0 and the 2 alts on core 1 as I do ...
This does provide a performance increase as there is now cross cpu management as the process knows it is operating on the same core all the time.
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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FoxyVixen
The Knights Templar Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:19:00 -
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I take that means CCP has no plans within the next year or two to make eve able to use all possible cores? but thanks for the answer ^^
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Drizit
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:30:00 -
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It would be nice to have a client that can actually use the multi core processors. This may be a time to move from Python to another language if Python can't handle multi core.
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Niram Tar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.05.26 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm While EVE only uses 1 core from a multi core cpu, you can use this to your advantage.
Depending on the os you are using (you have to do this every time with XP, but vista seems to remember) you can Configure EVE to run on a specific core and only that core. If you are running multiple clients then you can configure each of them to run on a different cor, or 1 on Core 0 and the 2 alts on core 1 as I do ...
This does provide a performance increase as there is now cross cpu management as the process knows it is operating on the same core all the time.
Howz?
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Ioci
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:02:00 -
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As pointed out, you will see better performance if you have one powerfull core. It kind of works out for your pocket book because I don't know about where you live but I see 3.2 Gig Pentium D's for as little as $120.00
Node lag seems to be the killer. I've watched 'guests available to me' for as much as 2 minutes in low traffic areas of the game at high traffic times. That's another rant though but it's something you can't fix with a powerfull computer. I think you have the right idea if you plan to run 2 machines. It will also unfortunately let you know just how much lag is in the pipes, when you are seeing yourself 2 minutes ago on a second monitor. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm Depending on the os you are using (you have to do this every time with XP, but vista seems to remember)
Actually, it's possible to permanently bind a program to a particular core or set of cores using imagecfg.exe, a tool provided by microsoft. Details: http://forums.speedguide.net/archive/index.php/t-187768.html
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F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2008.05.26 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Agreed. Unless you can think of several programs you frequently use that definitely have support for quad-core processors, go with the E8400.
Quad-core is the wave of the future!
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Sevarus James
Meridian Dynamics Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:09:00 -
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As Lingorm mentioned. This also works with linux clients as well. tasksetting a client keeps it on a single core. For those who run multiple clients (as one of my corp mining gods does) this is a lifesaver. 1 client per core is the way to go.
So the more the merrier. You can NEVER have too much power.
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CCP Lingorm
C C P
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:11:00 -
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Having EVE work on multiple cores is a goal we have, but other things are currently scheduled higher on the list (the New Server with MPI and Infiniband etc).
CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader
Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm Having EVE work on multiple cores is a goal we have, but other things are currently scheduled higher on the list (the New Server with MPI and Infiniband etc).
I'm pleased to see you guys are thinking about it! It will be a step in the right direction indeed.
Could you maybe discuss if this means that you are rewriting some of the client in C++ instead of stackless python, or if the stackless python guys are changing the language in order to make use of several cores?
Thanks Lingorm!
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Arana Tellen
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci As pointed out, you will see better performance if you have one powerfull core. It kind of works out for your pocket book because I don't know about where you live but I see 3.2 Gig Pentium D's for as little as $120.00
Node lag seems to be the killer. I've watched 'guests available to me' for as much as 2 minutes in low traffic areas of the game at high traffic times. That's another rant though but it's something you can't fix with a powerfull computer. I think you have the right idea if you plan to run 2 machines. It will also unfortunately let you know just how much lag is in the pipes, when you are seeing yourself 2 minutes ago on a second monitor.
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.05.26 11:45:00 -
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At present only 2 games have native quad core support supreme commander and another i cant remember the name of. go for an e8400 and overclock it to 4ghz and get a quad core in 5 years time when there'll be some programs that use them. Unless you do a lot of video editing or encoding then get a q6600 and overclock it to 4ghz the 45nm quad cores arent worth bothering with as they dont overclock unless you have liquid nitrogen spare.
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