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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:26:00 -
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I don't post ideas very often...rarely if that.
But this bugs the living hell out of me.
The CSPA is all good and fine....in function...but people make isk like crazy and can afford to throw tons of it to spam the #### out of you for anything and everything...I beleive you all know to which eve mail I'm referring to as a pointed example.
Fact is...this has happended very often.
Stick around any of the market hubs and you'll get spammed by some idiot who wants to push his product on you.
As if we didn't have the capability of doing our own shopping in various forms or fashion.
My point is this...if I want to be contacted...to hear from you...then I will choose whether or not to hear you on my terms...not the other way around.
My Proposal is this - Add an additional item to the CSPA...make it standings relevant.
If your not blue....you don't get to eve mail me...but instead you send a request to get added....if you don't get accepted....you don't get to send your little message.
Much like the pilot who convo's you.
A name...saying this person whishes to message you..... accept...add and accept...reject...reject and block?
Why can't we have that instead?
Isk means nothing.
And you only get to send 1 request....per 24 hours...maybe 12 hours.
Yes..the idea is a little off the cuff....if someone can come up with a better idea...be my guest.
I just want the spam to stop....adding a CSPA won't stop it...and in some cases...is more harmful.
Naturally Corp/Alliance should always get a free pass...and hence my suggestion about blues getting a exeception.
This crap about "first offense" is ok is foolish...sorry CCP....that's like saying I'm free to eve mail everyone a quircky meme with each and every new toon and never get dinged for it....ever. (Until they wake up to the fact its not a nice thing to allow)
No offense naturally...but we have local...we have forums....why is that not enough?
Discuss/troll/flame away.
PS: For the record...I have nothing agianst getting people to vote for you...my issue is forcing it down our damn throats on top of CCP pushing ads for it and the forums is crossing the line....but as I've stated...this is more eve mail system itself and not the message contained therein. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:24:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but this we do not. This eve mail spam problem is so infrequent and CSPA charges are fine as is.
I've spent a LOT of time tooling around in major trade hubs and eve mail spam is so incredibly rare. I might receive on average about one per week and my CSPA charges are turned off. I don't know what you're doing to receive the amount of eve mail spam, but you're obviously doing it wrong.
I'm guessing you're angry that a CSM candidate(s) sent mass emails out to anyone and everyone asking for votes.
Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.
I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.
It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.
It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.
I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black wrote:Drake Draconis wrote: Agreed cyprus...always appreicated your prespective.
I may have seriously bad luck...I receive one every time I travel to Rens or Jita these days....my wife whom also plays is getting pinged every so often as well.
It may not be a rampant issue now...but people will figure it out...and continue to abuse it now that CCP set a precedent.
It's likely rippling across several CSM cannidates mind to employ said trick since there is no punnihsment for said action...as I said...you can do it once...and once is all it takes.
I appreicate your thoughts on the matter....would be nice to get further feedback/suggestions however.
I don't mean to instigate a forum fight, but how much unsolicited spam mail are you getting on a daily or weekly average? And of what subject matter? I can't imagine it's to such a high degree that it warrants a change of mail mechanics.
Exxcluding Alliance mails? (snerk)
not often....I'm out in 0.0 land.....
The main issue is not how often I get it....its the abuse factor I see coming a mile away. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:12:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Fortunately there's very little incentive for EVE players to spam mail in this way with the exception of CSM candidates.
There is a neat way of dealing with mail spammers in EVE, it's called the block button. A certain CSM candidate is now on my blocked list and will never be removed from it.
Think the CSPA charge is fine for most of the mail problems you will come across, the block option will sort the rest.
Sorry Drake, I can't support this proposal.
Aside from the obvious "well duh"
I'm talking about stopping the first initial mail SM...not the second. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:10:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:mxzf wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Simpler fix: Let me set ANY charge(currently maxes at 5mil iirc) and let me have the isk that is charged. If you don't mind you contacting me, I will happily refund to 100 mil isk CSPA charge, and if it was unsolicited mail sent out to 200 names on a list, I get 100 mil for dealing with it IIRC, the CSPA charge doesn't go to the char, it's an ISK sink. This is currently true, hence my proposal for a simpler fix. I don't think it works that way now, I think it SHOULD work that way
I would LOVE this if it was the case.
In-fact I dare say I'd be quite content to receive spam mail if it cost them a fortune. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:59:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:Having seen that more than one CSM Candidate spammed people for votes, I've changed my mind and will support this now.
It will cause problems for everyone if this becomes the 'norm'.
The simple fix to have, I am guessing, an unlimited CSPA charge that goes to the person that received the mail is a good one.
Like Drake, I will quite happily deal with spam if I am paid for it.
Exactly....this isn't to do with 1 CSM cannidate...this is to do with the SYSTEM of how they allow/employ it.
If people start to abuse it....its gonna make life nasty. ================ FloppieTheBanjoClown for CSM 7! |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:11:00 -
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Updated proposal to reflect CSPA solution/option. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:31:00 -
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Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote:More forced pop-ups that steals focus? NO THANKS!
This is no different than someone convo'ing you that isn't on your address book.
And getting paid for it...is not a bad thing to be quite honest. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
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Posted - 2012.03.26 00:41:00 -
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DODGE CITY wrote:DUDE set you cspa charge at 1 million. i never get spam mail unless i set the charge lower for ppl to contact me thats not in my corp/alliance. if your getting that much spam mail its your own fault plain and simple! did you try adding the spammers to block list not sure if that will work but worth a try
DUDE...its like so easy to get 1 million...like DUDE....your smart.
Seriously...think you could put a little more effort into your argument...DUDE?
Kinda hard to predict who will spam you and who wont...not thinking this through are you.
All I'm saying is why not set it to 100 Million and have that money go into my/your pocket eh? ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:02:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Ho yeas me likes, but I'm sure awaxers would hate.
Please CCP do it, let me set CSP charge based on standings and let me increase from that silly Million to 10 million be it for convo or mail.
I don't have to use it, but I'd like to be able to do this.
Dont foroget....that 10 mil should go to YOUR pocket....for your troubles. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:53:00 -
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Corian Teranos wrote:i like the idea of getting rid of the isk system all together and changing it to a more configurable white list black list system. there are times i want to convo people to ask questions about non spam like ship fittings and i dont appreciate having to pay a fine for legitimate comm use
Works for me. :) ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152[/url] |
Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:54:00 -
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Added previous suggestion to my proposal.
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:07:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:CSPA working as intended. It can be set up to a million ISK, and after a while, the attritition of spending a million ISK to spam several hundred, or several thousand people eats away at someone's wallet.
For every hundred, that's a hundred million.
For every thousand, that's a billion.
Do the simple mathematics. And the setup of a complete CSPA overhaul would be an overwhelming pain in the **** that would take time away from FiS and WiS content.
Furthermore, them spamming to push their product is an ISK sink, albeit a small one, it is still an ISK sink.
Yes...and as I was pointing out....make the isk go to YOUR wallet since your the one putting up with the #### altogether instead of some magic black hole. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:13:00 -
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Jack Carrigan wrote:That would defeat the purpose of it being an ISK sink.
Think about it differently.
If someone decides to spam you to no end....they know the ISK is going to your pocket...which benefits you..and gives you ammo to shame them.
If it goes to a black hole...they likely don't give a crap and have nothing to show for it.
Its psychological mental warfare....I don't care if you spam me if I make money off of you.
But right now...CSPA means nothing to most people who have the ISK to burn without question.
Might as well make it a benefit....in otherwords...get paid for spam.
Of course its already been suggested a whitelist/blacklist idea works as well. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 03:26:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Awwwweee! Is Icle Drakey all bothered by something. Does he not like getting nice friendly mails from people when its out of his control? Ahw, its almost like being Mail Ganked. But instead of it blowing up your ship it makes Drakeys head explode cos he has to read all them words. And we all know you don't cope well with lots of words. That's why you write in all those spaced out broken up sentences right, so you don't get to lost, keep your mind wrapped round it all. Here's an idea, why don't you just not read it? And instead of trying to have things changed so you can make more ISK for nothing do as suggested and block those who send it to you. Hmm, it almost seems unfair that they are generally the players with enough ISK not to care about the mail cost... Oh but yes of course Drake Draconis wrote:this is not the place for "fairness" this place being EVE online. Well Didums! Oh or here's a final thought. Drake Draconis wrote:Its called pay attention to your environment and don't worry about your mail so much if you just flew into Jita.
Ok... I'm going to assume you have a kindergarten education and never made it through high school.
That said....
There is a difference expecting someone to have a fair fight planned when you get can flipped.
And an exploitation of mechanics when it comes to spamming the entirety of EVE Online for the singular intent of advertisement without consequences.
The can flipper you oh so hate is just as much at risk as you are...you can shoot him back...and blow him up even.
Its a proven fact.
You cannot however stop the initial spam flood because at least 1 message will always get through regardless of CSPA.
Now if your nooblet carebear brain cant fathom that...then you have no business making such ridiculous comments. Please go back to school and bother to learn to read and think before you respond.
Thank you.
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 14:09:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:My answer was very well thought out. You call it ridiculous and yet its just the sort of answer you would give people when you don't like an idea. Condescending, unconstructive and quite rude really. And then you have the gall and hypocrisy to tell me that, effectively, i'm childish and need to think before i speak! You are only truly speaking to yourself there i'm afraid to say. Its not just about my idea but all the ideas I've seen you post on that YOU don't like. It only needs be said simply "I don't support this idea" and if you have a good constructive reason to say why.
Now, in truth it would, yes, be a little annoying to keep receiving spam mail. Though personally i'm always in Jita and have rarely experienced this. Perhaps that s the luck and a perk of being a Nooblet Carebear :P Haha, though i'm not sure they are going to be fussy in mass player mailing. But surely there can only be so many of these guys at any one time and if you just take 2 seconds to block them as they come its not a great effort. And it doesn't just block their second mail it blocks them for good.
Though at the same point, while i see there maybe some reason to them doing this if its to look for gaining votes or what ever, i can see other methods. Not least just plain old Jet-can advertisement. And perhaps rather than sinking ISK just through paying the right to mail CCP could do this by charging ISK to put a simple message on billboards for a certain time and just put a few more billboards in clearer view of gates and even outside stations.
For now, for your own benefit just block them haha. But in all i think its perhaps unneeded to mail and a change could even provide more immersion to the game. So as surprising as it may seem i am going to support your idea.
Are you capable of posting without contradiction and hypocrisy or is this a past time for you? ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:13:00 -
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Amun Khonsu wrote:Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh
If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited.
Its not a problem now...but it will be.
And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole.
If I'm going to get crap mail...I'd rather get paid for it....then its not crap mail. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 16:15:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:If i have been contradictory or hypocritical in what ive said it was with the greatest of intention in order to make a point to you about your own behavior toward others.
But beyond that I have given you a post that is rather light hearted, tries to make helpful suggestion and over all supports your cause.
You stomp on me saying its a bad idea due to various "nebulous" thoughts/ideas...then you support it...then you bash it...but then you relunctantly support it.
You talk like you know how it works but you very obviously do not.
So if your going to discuss...support..or don't support..then be crystal clear.
Don't flip flop like some fish gasping for air. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 18:48:00 -
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Amun Khonsu wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Amun Khonsu wrote:Ive gotten maybe 3 spam mails all year. two of them were CSM's running for office.
I dont see it as an issue tbh If you take care to read my post....its a potentail threat that could get out of hand if left unchecked....its a gaping hole waiting to be exploited. Its not a problem now...but it will be. And at best why not route the CSPA fees to your wallet instead of a black hole. If I'm going to get crap mail... I'd rather get paid for it....then its not crap mail. Well I'd certainly like to get to set Cspa at any amount payable to me also, but I don't think its necessary for me as I don't get many. It's not to say ppl who live elsehwere don't get more
Pretty much...its not a serious issue right now...but it CAN be...and its just a matter of time before a group of people get it in their heads to exploit it.
Its how some groups get CCP's attention to introduce exploitation mechancis that CCP is slow to respond...to use them.
Without getting banned of course. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 21:18:00 -
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Spikeflach wrote:EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me.
Don't knock it....at one point in the USA there was a bill in Congress concerning that very policy.
It nearly made it through....until the corporations and companys that advertise lobbied for it to get shot down.
Gee I wonder why?
Getting paid for trash mail....theres a concept. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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Drake Draconis
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Posted - 2012.05.30 22:22:00 -
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Koreli Stelios wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:Spikeflach wrote:EveMail has existed for how long and just right now the idea of exploiting it has become new and original?
I should probably make those credit card companies that keep mailing me their junk mail pay me for every letter they send me. Don't knock it....at one point in the USA there was a bill in Congress concerning that very policy. It nearly made it through....until the corporations and companys that advertise lobbied for it to get shot down. Gee I wonder why? Getting paid for trash mail....theres a concept. Lol the way you say that sounds like you guys missed a trick (presuming you are American and hence knowing that) Considering the America very much coined the phrase "So sue me!" and there after went law suit crazy lol. Well here in Britain people have made money from junk mail. You see we just stick a little sign on our door saying "No Junk Mail" and then in some cases people have won compensation where such mail was still posted. Hmm you can do something like that in Eve but just those who post it cant ignore you... Yea, its called blocking them.
I feel sorry for my UK friends now.
Either you start to read before you post or don't bother at all...you've repeatedly missed several key points as to the reasoning and debates. ================ STOP THE EVEMAIL-áSPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
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