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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:48:00 -
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Ok 1 on 1 pvp
Im using blk ops Widow tech 2 BS and he is using Dominix a tier 1 gallente BS.
I have 9 months more skills than him and have all missile launcher operation skills to lvl 4/5 and blk ops to lvl 4.
I have him webbed , scramed and perma jammed he can not do nothing at all besides sit there.
I have drone interfacing lvl 4 and have all 5 medium drones on him.
The widow has bonuses for torps and im using all 5 torps on his weakest resist.
Guess what?
Could not break his tank.
Yes thats right a 9 month older character specialising in blk ops and missile skills could not break a domi's tank. A tech 2 BS could not break a tier 1 tech 1 BS.
wth ccp?
Needs to be nerfed asap with this uber tanking ability and then the drone bonuses on top its just way OTT and wrong.
Please fix. Even the guy I was pvping agreed.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:52:00 -
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Black ops have crap dps. This is well known.
A level 1 bs > a black ops. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vim on 29/05/2008 10:55:01 A black ops ship isnt there to WTFPWN t1 battleships. Eg: Its not a solopwnmobile.
You'd eventualy(Out of capboosters) break a dominix tank. Since this was sisi I'll assume the domi pilot as the rest of ppl used t2 rigs, best implants he could get hold of and strong exile booster etc. Meaning sisi dont reflect tranq at all most of the time.
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Kethry Avenger
Krell-Korp
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:55:00 -
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If your not using cap warfare one on one it is hard to break tanks in battles of equal tonnage. Doesn't matter what ships they are.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:00:15 Actually it should be more than enough to take down a domi.
Did I forget to mention I was also using 4 yes 4 ballistic control units tech 2 giving extra refire and damage and it still was not enough.
9 month older characater. Drone interfacing 4 with 5 medium drones All missile skills to 4/5 Ship itself has torp bonuses Tech 2 BS v a lower level Tech 1 BS which is web scramed and perma jammed. 4 modules all giving bonuses to damage and refire rate. All torps used are against his lowest resist.
Gallente ships are well known for there crazy tanking abilitys mixed with there extra drone damage bonuses.
The domi is way over the top even the guy I was practising with said if he was in any other ship he would be dead even a hyperion.
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Joshua Foiritain
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:02:00 -
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The domi is fine, you fail at PVP.
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Kransthow
Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:00:15 Actually it should be more than enough to take down a domi.
Did I forget to mention I was also using 4 yes 4 ballistic control units tech 2 giving extra refire and damage and it still was not enough.
9 month older characater. Drone interfacing 4 with 5 medium drones All missile skills to 4/5 Ship itself has torp bonuses Tech 2 BS v a lower level Tech 1 BS which is web scramed and perma jammed. 4 modules all giving bonuses to damage and refire rate. All torps used are against his lowest resist.
Gallente ships are well known for there crazy tanking abilitys mixed with there extra drone damage bonuses.
The domi is way over the top even the guy I was practising with said if he was in any other ship he would be dead even a hyperion.
black ops suck tbh
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Shaloran Kalior
Rakeriku Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:04:00 -
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Unless you say how much dps you were doing, its pretty much impossible to say with any authority how strong that tank was.
For reference, my Domi can perma run dual LAR II's without needing a cap booster, assuming no neuts/NOS. With decent skills, plus implants, boosters and whatever else you can get your hands on in SISI, thats a fairly hefty rep amount.
A BlOps BS isnt a dps machine. Against a solidly tanked T1 battleship, even the Domi, you shouldnt be breaking its tank.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:04:00 -
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T2 doesnt always mean better in every way, black ops have crap dps for a bs and I am sure if you were in a golem it would be different. |
Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The domi is fine, you fail at PVP.
Actually I dont think you should post unless u bother to read things first.
I had him warp scrambled, webbed and perma jammed as in he could not target forever.
It was not just a PVP we were 1 v 1 testing.
I don't see how anyone can argue that he should be able to perma tank that sorta punishment in a Tech 1 BS especially when he is 9 months older and from his own confession skills are not that good.
I would not of mattered if I was in a Raven or any other ship only thing that could of broken it was a marauder. So now to solo a domi you have to use a marauder???
Come on..... Uber tanking with drone bonuses gimme a break.
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JS LiamElms
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:08:00 -
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do we know what his set up was?
have you read the other guys replies regarding implants/boosters etc?? How do you know he wasn't tanking the very resist you thought you'd beat him on?
too many varibles, but the most important thing.... your Black Ops... not Damage boat. Domi is traditionally bait ship, and can tank a mountin. A hype is exactly that Hype! once its cap is gone, the ship fails quickly.
Domi got a big nerf about a year back... never been the same since... oh the nos boat.. the IwinDomi |
Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:16:32
Originally by: JS LiamElms do we know what his set up was?
have you read the other guys replies regarding implants/boosters etc?? How do you know he wasn't tanking the very resist you thought you'd beat him on?
too many varibles, but the most important thing.... your Black Ops... not Damage boat. Domi is traditionally bait ship, and can tank a mountin. A hype is exactly that Hype! once its cap is gone, the ship fails quickly.
Domi got a big nerf about a year back... never been the same since... oh the nos boat.. the IwinDomi
I always read replys and I had all 4 damage types in torps and tested each and every one like I said. I could have sat there shooting him all day.
As for implants and boosters no and no for both of us.
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Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:14:00 -
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You should try shooting a tanked armageddon sometime, it got 8 slots it can dedicate to tank....
What torps were you shooting at him? Rage, Javelin, Standards? a 7 slot tank dominix, with probably t2 rigs(even without) with exile(!) ontop will tank well till it runs out of cap boosters. a ship meant to excel at tanking with 7 (well, probably 9 to be realy realy sure(capboosters) slots dedicated to it. And your not in a ship meant to wtfpwn.
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Frost 1232
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:17:00 -
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it looks like pilot error. bad set up. And you where not really attacking it real weakness.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vim You should try shooting a tanked armageddon sometime, it got 8 slots it can dedicate to tank....
What torps were you shooting at him? Rage, Javelin, Standards? a 7 slot tank dominix, with probably t2 rigs(even without) with exile(!) ontop will tank well till it runs out of cap boosters. a ship meant to excel at tanking with 7 (well, probably 9 to be realy realy sure(capboosters) slots dedicated to it. And your not in a ship meant to wtfpwn.
Again Il say I used all 4 types of torps and tested all four types of torps. We both used standard ammo. No rigs. He did not use cap boosters like I said he could PERMA TANK.
Perma tank as in infinite tanking while infinite capping.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Frost 1232 it looks like pilot error. bad set up. And you where not really attacking it real weakness.
Firstly read all posts before commenting and secondly you dont even know what setup was being used by me except I had 4 modules increasing damage and refire rate.
Also was using damage type which was his weakest.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The domi is fine, you fail at PVP.
Actually I dont think you should post unless u bother to read things first.
I had him warp scrambled, webbed and perma jammed as in he could not target forever.
It was not just a PVP we were 1 v 1 testing.
I don't see how anyone can argue that he should be able to perma tank that sorta punishment in a Tech 1 BS especially when he is 9 months older and from his own confession skills are not that good.
I would not of mattered if I was in a Raven or any other ship only thing that could of broken it was a marauder. So now to solo a domi you have to use a marauder???
Come on..... Uber tanking with drone bonuses gimme a break.
Which is a load of *******s.... Any decent, damage heavy (talking 1100-1300 dps), close-range Battleship will break a standard (non faction) tank in around 1 minute or less.
Oh and what the hell does webbing, jamming and scrambling have to do with his tank?? --------------
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 29/05/2008 11:28:17 So my Kronos on sisi that tanked 4 bs'es and 1 Command ship is also not overpowered?. That was also on sisi.
Yes it was a gang on me. Killed some of them and then the rest warped out lol.
Oh yeh, remember, this is EVE where a noob can uberwtfpwn a 3-4 years old experienced player if he's lucky. It's not like in WoW that a level 20 player doesn't have a chance in hell against a level 50 player.
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Toolivus
Verdant Inquiries
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:28:00 -
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Active tanked, so his main weakness was his cap. Also, it's goddamn sisi. On sisi people fit ridiculous tanks. The domi is fine.
Using something that is far from your best option for dps to try and kill a ship that can fit a damn good tank under normal circumstances wasn't the best choice.
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Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:29:00 -
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Well then: Torps only do 93% damage vs a domi due to sigradius. Without rigs, without boosters, without cap boosters to fuel his tank, assuming we are talking about a 2xLAR 3xhards 1xdc2 1xeanmII dominix here for the real massive beast of domi, with 5xCRII's in midslots to help fuel tank, he wont be permarunning his tank(which you btw if the above is true, no rigs, boosters etc. Should grind down with 5xt2 sieges, t1 torps and 5xhammerheadII's (My char getting 834 widow dps with your setup, calculate for a 93% torp damage;651+134 from hammerheads vs a tank of 397 EM(Lowest resist). How is that in any way permatanking you, no it dosent. He was lying to you, if we switchout the DC2 or the EANMII for a CPRII he'll be permarunnin two lars with 5xCRII+CPRIIs, but the tank will be even weaker. He was lying to you, he was using rigs and probably boosters to.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:31:46
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The domi is fine, you fail at PVP.
Actually I dont think you should post unless u bother to read things first.
I had him warp scrambled, webbed and perma jammed as in he could not target forever.
It was not just a PVP we were 1 v 1 testing.
I don't see how anyone can argue that he should be able to perma tank that sorta punishment in a Tech 1 BS especially when he is 9 months older and from his own confession skills are not that good.
I would not of mattered if I was in a Raven or any other ship only thing that could of broken it was a marauder. So now to solo a domi you have to use a marauder???
Come on..... Uber tanking with drone bonuses gimme a break.
Which is a load of *******s.... Any decent, damage heavy (talking 1100-1300 dps), close-range Battleship will break a standard (non faction) tank in around 1 minute or less.
Oh and what the hell does webbing, jamming and scrambling have to do with his tank??
IF what you say is true then his tank should have broke.
It was not on SISI.
The webbing jamming and scrambling has to do with other posts I was replying to.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vim Well then: Torps only do 93% damage vs a domi due to sigradius. Without rigs, without boosters, without cap boosters to fuel his tank, assuming we are talking about a 2xLAR 3xhards 1xdc2 1xeanmII dominix here for the real massive beast of domi, with 5xCRII's in midslots to help fuel tank, he wont be permarunning his tank(which you btw if the above is true, no rigs, boosters etc. Should grind down with 5xt2 sieges, t1 torps and 5xhammerheadII's (My char getting 834 widow dps with your setup, calculate for a 93% torp damage;651+134 from hammerheads vs a tank of 397 EM(Lowest resist). How is that in any way permatanking you, no it dosent. He was lying to you, if we switchout the DC2 or the EANMII for a CPRII he'll be permarunnin two lars with 5xCRII+CPRIIs, but the tank will be even weaker. He was lying to you, he was using rigs and probably boosters to.
Like I said we were testing together as in I know him he was not lying to me. I will talk to him later and get him to post the setup.
Also you forgot I had 4 x BSC's II. Jeeez does anyone read all the topic posts before opening there big mouths?
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Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vim on 29/05/2008 11:39:04 Dude, the 4th BCUII dosent add much and I entered your fitting quite correctly with 4xBCUII and t2 sieges(lvl4 torp spec I have), black ops lvl4.
You should have grindes his boat down, if he was not using rigs, not boosters, no implants. Ofc! There is one possibility: Is the domi faction fitted, complex/faction LARs and hardeners/eanms could realy help that domi, but then its hundreds if not billions of isk invested to tank well in a 1v1 situation.
(Edit: And then as people have pointed out, you neglected the first rule of active tanked 1v1s, the one that kills the other dudes cap, wins. Fit two medium or a heavy neut to your widow.)
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Sidewayzracer
Murder Training Facilites
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 29/05/2008 11:39:04 Dude, the 4th BCUII dosent add much and I entered your fitting quite correctly with 4xBCUII and t2 sieges(lvl4 torp spec I have), black ops lvl4.
You should have grindes his boat down, if he was not using rigs, not boosters, no implants. Ofc! There is one possibility: Is the domi faction fitted, complex/faction LARs and hardeners/eanms could realy help that domi, but then its hundreds if not billions of isk invested to tank well in a 1v1 situation.
(Edit: And then as people have pointed out, you neglected the first rule of active tanked 1v1s, the one that kills the other dudes cap, wins. Fit two medium or a heavy neut to your widow.)
you also stated you were using 2 damage mod rigs so i ask again how you dont suck at pvp?.
quit your whining we don give a frak.
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Vim
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sidewayzracer
Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 29/05/2008 11:39:04 Dude, the 4th BCUII dosent add much and I entered your fitting quite correctly with 4xBCUII and t2 sieges(lvl4 torp spec I have), black ops lvl4.
You should have grindes his boat down, if he was not using rigs, not boosters, no implants. Ofc! There is one possibility: Is the domi faction fitted, complex/faction LARs and hardeners/eanms could realy help that domi, but then its hundreds if not billions of isk invested to tank well in a 1v1 situation.
(Edit: And then as people have pointed out, you neglected the first rule of active tanked 1v1s, the one that kills the other dudes cap, wins. Fit two medium or a heavy neut to your widow.)
you also stated you were using 2 damage mod rigs so i ask again how you dont suck at pvp?.
quit your whining we don give a frak.
Where did he say he had two damage rigs? I must've missed that /me goes to add two damage rigs to widow and sees the mighty extra 12 dps thoose two would give ontop of four bcuII's.
Somehow I'am starting to smell a troll in the shape of the op.
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JS LiamElms
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.29 11:58:00 -
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this should get funny when we find out the set up of this uber none rigged, none implanted, t1 domi.... the guy above did a quick eft of your set ups etc, think it might have highlighted something to you?
my bestest friend that i met in eve... yeah, virtual friendship in eve is as good as the paper its written on.. oh wai.... and before you tell me its rl... hell, my own brother will slip on the occational mod that is not what he said to beat me in 1v1! Welcome to eve.....!!
dude, i want to hear you, i really do, but your NOT listening to everyone here. Lets see the domi set up and then we can all understand where your coming from. |
Zeph Solaris
Legitimate Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:03:00 -
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I opened this thread expecting to hear complaints about the Nos-Neut-Jamming-Dronemobile Domi setup.
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Drachma Golea
hunter killers
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:07:00 -
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Now, the setup of the domi explains it all
If he had a dual lar, or a deadspace tank you can shoot at him all day long while he's doing other stuff.
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Shinzu Takigawa
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sidewayzracer
Originally by: Vim Edited by: Vim on 29/05/2008 11:39:04 Dude, the 4th BCUII dosent add much and I entered your fitting quite correctly with 4xBCUII and t2 sieges(lvl4 torp spec I have), black ops lvl4.
You should have grindes his boat down, if he was not using rigs, not boosters, no implants. Ofc! There is one possibility: Is the domi faction fitted, complex/faction LARs and hardeners/eanms could realy help that domi, but then its hundreds if not billions of isk invested to tank well in a 1v1 situation.
(Edit: And then as people have pointed out, you neglected the first rule of active tanked 1v1s, the one that kills the other dudes cap, wins. Fit two medium or a heavy neut to your widow.)
you also stated you were using 2 damage mod rigs so i ask again how you dont suck at pvp?.
quit your whining we don give a frak.
I did not state I was using any damage mod rigs.
I am not whining I lost nothing.
I am listening to all views.
The guy was being honest.
Forget it.
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Johho Bulon
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.05.29 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzu Takigawa Edited by: Shinzu Takigawa on 29/05/2008 11:00:15 Actually it should be more than enough to take down a domi.
Did I forget to mention I was also using 4 yes 4 ballistic control units tech 2 giving extra refire and damage and it still was not enough.
9 month older characater. Drone interfacing 4 with 5 medium drones All missile skills to 4/5 Ship itself has torp bonuses Tech 2 BS v a lower level Tech 1 BS which is web scramed and perma jammed. 4 modules all giving bonuses to damage and refire rate. All torps used are against his lowest resist.
Gallente ships are well known for there crazy tanking abilitys mixed with there extra drone damage bonuses.
The domi is way over the top even the guy I was practising with said if he was in any other ship he would be dead even a hyperion.
Actually it shouldn't.
With a few aux nano or nano accelerator rigs a Domi can be made to tank 500dps with a single rep, if he had 2 reps and no plate then count on him being able to rep towards 1000dps for as long as his cap holds out.
Your DPS is topping out at just under the 900 mark, the domi can comfortably handle this without breaking a sweat, if his cargo bay is full of cap 800s and he has heavy injector II then he can probably go make a cup of tea and come back to find you still pounding away to no great effect.
Also, just to add, your web and jamming have no effect at all on the Domi's ability to tank that sort of damage. They just go to show that you have no idea at all of what you should be doing in your Widow.
And why is this all the case? Because your Widow is designed to do a largeish amount of supplemental damage in support of a small gang of stealth bombers and recons, whilst jamming out opfor primary targets. It isn't designed to win an all out slug fest versus a front line battleship like a Dominix, which can drop its Ogre IIs that will then auto agress when you jam the Domi, and lol at you as you vainly try to break its tank before they eat your scarcely tanked Widow alive.
Instead of complaining that Domi needs to be nerfed you should try thinking about what role your ship should play in a firefight. Because I guarantee that used correctly it would swing the fight in favour of your side. But used as a Muppet's choice bruiser its going to end up as expensive salvage material. |
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